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blackrock13

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.... I'm in my early-30s but I know what Broadbent and Douglas did for our country.

I don't think age determines one's opinions on politics nor determines one's awareness....
Then you wise beyond your years.:)There are alway exceptions.It wasn't you that erred. I don't really care that your website is a little liberal with the facts.
 

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Feds Want To Extend Permanent Secrecy Blanket Over 11 New Agencies

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/16/feds-want-to-extend-secrecy_n_3450544.html

OTTAWA - Proposed new rules would forbid a number of federal officials from forever discussing sensitive aspects of their work.

The officials would include the prime minister's national security adviser, federal lawyers who work on terrorism cases and intelligence analysts in the Privy Council Office.

The Harper government wants to pull the cloak of eternal secrecy over past and present employees of nine federal agencies and those who used to toil at two now-defunct branches.

They would join the more than 12,000 current and former federal intelligence officials already covered by Security of Information Act provisions forcing them to take the secrets of their most closely held work to the grave.

Democracy Watch, a group that advocates a more open and accountable federal government, calls the latest blanket proposal "dangerously undemocratic."
 

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Interesting story in the Huffington Post, but I don't see what that has to do with Justin Trudeau or Jenn's future as a neo-liberal.
 

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What's the point of having a "secret service" if it's not secret? certain information should always be secret and classified, all of these "right to know everything" groups don't get it. If the government has no way of keeping certain info secret then we are sitting ducks for our enemies. As far as Trudeau goes, I certainly don't want a leader who only has a last name going for him. He's accomplished absolutely nothing as a politician. Harper shouldn't fret too much, Trudeau has already started burying himself with his comments on Quebec and the senate and taking cash from charities for speeches etc. Not to mention he has no platform on which to campaign with. What kind of government would he lead? We don't know because he won't tell us.
 

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What's the point of having a "secret service" if it's not secret? certain information should always be secret and classified, all of these "right to know everything" groups don't get it. If the government has no way of keeping certain info secret then we are sitting ducks for our enemies. As far as Trudeau goes, I certainly don't want a leader who only has a last name going for him. He's accomplished absolutely nothing as a politician. Harper shouldn't fret too much, Trudeau has already started burying himself with his comments on Quebec and the senate and taking cash from charities for speeches etc. Not to mention he has no platform on which to campaign with. What kind of government would he lead? We don't know because he won't tell us.
The issue with Harper is his attempts to make election financing 'secret', payments from the PMO's office 'secrets', details on F-35 'secret' while making it illegal for protesters to make their presence 'secret' by wearing masks.
 

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The issue with Harper is his attempts to make election financing 'secret', payments from the PMO's office 'secrets', details on F-35 'secret' while making it illegal for protesters to make their presence 'secret' by wearing masks.
I happen to agree with you on all of your points. I prefer a PC federal government but at the same time I think Harper has strayed quite a bit on issues like open and transparent government.
 

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I happen to agree with you on all of your points. I prefer a PC federal government but at the same time I think Harper has strayed quite a bit on issues like open and transparent government.
I like your attitude, even if I don't support PC's in general.
Holding the parties we support to keep to their mandates and act honourably is the only way we'll get good governance.
 

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I happen to agree with you on all of your points. I prefer a PC federal government but at the same time I think Harper has strayed quite a bit on issues like open and transparent government.
I prefer a PC fed government too, but sadly the PC's died a long time ago and the reform party (neocons) took over. The Conservatives today have no true conservative values. John Diefenbaker (Harper's hero) would be rolling in his grave.
 

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I prefer a PC fed government too, but sadly the PC's died a long time ago and the reform party (neocons) took over. The Conservatives today have no true conservative values. John Diefenbaker (Harper's hero) would be rolling in his grave.
Preston Manning had comment earlier last week that the Conservatives have abandoned many of their Reform Party basics. They are neither PC or Reform, but are the Harper Party.
 

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Naive question but do US political consultants like Karl Rove, Axelrod come up here and advise our politicians? I imagine some second and third tier consultants do, but any big names?
 

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Preston Manning had comment earlier last week that the Conservatives have abandoned many of their Reform Party basics. They are neither PC or Reform, but are the Harper Party.
Had Harper campaigned on the neocon agenda he's trying to implement, instead of the vaguer, pretend red tory plan, he wouldn't be in power right now.
For instance, implementing so much secrecy and burying of FOI requests instead of implementing the open government he promised.
Harper is much more wiley then Manning, Manning more or less does what he says, but Harper says what will get him into power.
 

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Preston Manning had comment earlier last week that the Conservatives have abandoned many of their Reform Party basics. They are neither PC or Reform, but are the Harper Party.
That's nothing more than Preston Manning trying to distance himself from a scandal plagued, increasingly disliked Government. He's abandoning a sinking ship. But Harper = reform party
 

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.... I'm in my early-30s but I know what Broadbent and Douglas did for our country.
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Let's not get carried away Jenn. Tommy Douglas ? Yes. He did have a major role in the establishment of Medicare and had many accomplishments in Saskatchewan . Broadbent....not so much. He was never in a position to actually "do" anything for the country. Similarly to Layton, just being a party leader or a backbencher Broadbent was never in a position to do much other than talk when people were willing to listen.
 

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Preston Manning had comment earlier last week that the Conservatives have abandoned many of their Reform Party basics. They are neither PC or Reform, but are the Harper Party.
Gee, who knew you respected Preston's opinion so highly ?
 

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That's nothing more than Preston Manning trying to distance himself from a scandal plagued, increasingly disliked Government. He's abandoning a sinking ship. But Harper = reform party
You don't know Manning very well. The Conservatives of today aren't anywhere near what they were before Harper left the mail room, not when he became the leader of the opposition. Just ask Peter McKay.
 

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Apparently you don't know me as well as you think you do.
That is very definitely by choice....:D

Perhaps you could outline the differences between the platforms of the old Reform Party and the current Conservatives ? Or is this just about the current leader that I thought you loved so dearly.
 

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That is very definitely by choice....:D

Perhaps you could outline the differences between the platforms of the old Reform Party and the current Conservatives ? Or is this just about the current leader that I thought you loved so dearly.
The biggest glaring difference is Senate reform. The Conservatives have been in power for how long and done sfa in that area other than putting more conservative asses in the seats.

The Reform also did not see the country as two founding nations, French and English, unlike the present government. They did not believe that secession should be avoided at all cost. So much so Manning didn't attend Federal rallies in Quebec during the referendum campaign.

The Reform were against the GST.

The Reform were against Gay and Lesbian rights, not that that's a good thing, just a major difference, as you requested.

That should hold you off for now.
 

blackrock13

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The Australian governing party just ousted their Prime Minister/Leader. Apparently she didn't deliver as promised. They replaced her wit the previous Leader/PM. Hmmmm, if only we could do something like that.
 
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