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Begin has been long gone from gov't. The Israeli gov't does not target innocent civilians you're reading lies and propaganda. Have innocent people been killed, sure. Its a war that happens. Israel has some of the most precise weapons technology on the planet and they use it to the best of their abilities to minimize civilian casualties.

Frankly, you are nuts. Even ardent supporters of Israel acknowledge what is documented in the Amnesty International report on atrocities committed by the IDF.

Hamas is just as atrocious. I have no use for those terrorists who refuse to even accept existence of Israel.
 

basketcase

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You're lying and you know it.
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I'm lying about my opinion? How stupid a claim.

And how does the fact that there are many Arabs there mean the many Jews should be ignored? I know you think Arab opinion should be ignored because it's inconvenient for you that most Arab Israelis would rather be Israeli than part of a Palestinians state and the vast majority of Palestinians hate the idea of living alongside jews.
 

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If you believe that, it obviously disqualifies genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Yes, it does. Unlike many of you, I believe that equally applies to ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and ethnic cleansing of Jews. It is common to hear people condemn Israel while at the same time praising groups like hamas who overtly want an Islamic Arab state from the river to the sea.
 

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Yes, it does. Unlike many of you, I believe that equally applies to ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and ethnic cleansing of Jews. It is common to hear people condemn Israel while at the same time praising groups like hamas who overtly want an Islamic Arab state from the river to the sea.
Deflection
 

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Israel has some of the most precise weapons technology on the planet and they use it to the best of their abilities to minimize civilian casualties.
That's why less than 20,000 Gazan civilians have died in this conflict and that, despite the fact that they're being used as human shields by Hamas.
 

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I'm lying about my opinion? How stupid a claim.

And how does the fact that there are many Arabs there mean the many Jews should be ignored? I know you think Arab opinion should be ignored because it's inconvenient for you that most Arab Israelis would rather be Israeli than part of a Palestinians state and the vast majority of Palestinians hate the idea of living alongside jews.
Your racism is showing again.
They are 'Palestinians'.

You're also arguing that Palestine shouldn't have the same rights as Israel to decide who gets to be a citizen, that you think only Israel can decide that for Palestinians. Very colonial of you. Not only are you backing apartheid, genocide and settler colonialism now you're flouting the ICJ ruling and declaring that you don't support the two state solution at all anymore.

All you want is apartheid Israel and more genocide.

 
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Frankfooter

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To draw that conclusion from what I've stated is sheer lunacy. Seek help.
No, its the logical conclusion.
The nazis justified genocide by declaring Roma, Jews and others were out to get them.
Its the standard justification, you demonize another race by declaring they are all genocidal so you have to kill them all first.

Its what you've been fed and what you consume.
 

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You're also arguing that Palestine shouldn't have the same rights as Israel to decide who gets to be a citizen,
They could be doing that if they'd accepted the land back in 1948 and formed an actual nation just like Israel did. Decisions have repercussions.

Too late for you to whine about that now.
 

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Yes, it does. Unlike many of you, I believe that equally applies to ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and ethnic cleansing of Jews. It is common to hear people condemn Israel while at the same time praising groups like hamas who overtly want an Islamic Arab state from the river to the sea.
I think almost everybody believes that the rule against ethnic cleansing and genocide applies to all populations. I know I do.

The problem with your argument is that Israel is practicing ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians (180,000 perished so far), while the enemies of Israel may have a DESIRE to genocide the Israelis, but are not doing it. See the difference?
 
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Frankfooter

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They could be doing that if they'd accepted the land back in 1948 and formed an actual nation just like Israel did. Decisions have repercussions.

Too late for you to whine about that now.
Total fantasy.
Zionists were prepped from the start to attack Palestine to try to take it all over and colonize it.

Now the ICJ says its time to give it up and return it to Palestinians.

You really think you're going to kill them all?

 
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