Actually that's freedom of speech in action, democracy in action was his reelection.Ranger68 said:
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GWB is coming November 30th
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Freedom of speech and democracy, at least in its modern usage, go hand in hand.
In any case, no matter how you try, like the Republicans, to cloud the issue, you said it.
Freedom of speech.
I hope Bush enjoys his freedoms while he's here.
A little pie in the face would do nicely.
LOL
God help the USA.
In any case, no matter how you try, like the Republicans, to cloud the issue, you said it.
Freedom of speech.
I hope Bush enjoys his freedoms while he's here.
A little pie in the face would do nicely.
LOL
God help the USA.
Are you going to get tired of beating this "more-people-died-during- such-and-such-an-event-than-Australians-during-the-Iraq-War-thereby-proving-that-Iraq-is-totally-and-completely-safe" non-sequitur to death any time soon? I sure hope so.onthebottom said:
Is everyone clear on this? Democracy is good - as long as it elects Republicans. Freedom of speech is good - as long as this freedom isn't abused by criticising those in power.onthebottom said:
George Orwell just called, OTB. He says Big Brother has a job opening for you in the IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH dept.
Losing your Senate Minority Leader seat I believe.... ;-)bbking said:Damn - I am out of work and didn't even know it. Do you know the penalty for taking shots at Republicans when their in power?
bbk
hope it's not drawn an quartered - that sounds painful
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It is one thing for people to protest on the street, it's called democracy and free speech.
It is a different issue for elected officials to engage in stupid acts, this is called diplomacy.
It is a different issue for elected officials to engage in stupid acts, this is called diplomacy.
OTTAWA (CP)
November 29, 2004
Masked bands of self-described anarchists appear at most major demonstrations, often clashing with police.
But such protesters will likely be drowned out Tuesday by a diverse throng of peaceniks as George W. Bush arrives for a two-day visit to Canada. Up to about 15,000 marchers are expected in Ottawa, and another 5,000 during his trip to Halifax on Wednesday. The only aggression openly sanctioned by rally organizers seems to be the possible "toppling" of a large papier mache likeness of the U.S. president.
The stunt would mimic images flashed around the world last year as American tanks rolled into Baghdad and U.S. soldiers helped pull down a statue of Saddam Hussein.
Demonstrators in London's Trafalgar Square used the same tactic last fall during a massive anti-Bush rally.
The five-metre Bush statue, created by Toronto artist Henry Martinuk, is to be bussed to Ottawa in three pieces and reassembled on Parliament Hill.
Busloads from across Ontario and Quebec will carry protesters with a wide range of beefs, said march organizer Joe Cressy of the No to Bush Committee. The group is a collection of labour, student, church and individual activists formed solely for the president's visit.
"You'll see the Raging Grannies in addition to radical cheerleaders, Belly Dancers Against Bush, (and) Artists Against War who have created an 'Unwelcome Mat.'
"It's going to be a breadth of opposition to the policies of the Bush administration."
The war in Iraq and U.S. plans for an anti-missile defence shield will not be the only targets, Cressy said. Demonstrators will target Bush's views against the Kyoto Accord on climate change, abortion and same-sex marriage.
Placards and jeers will also greet the president Wednesday when he heads to Halifax.
The Halifax Peace Coalition, a group of 30 church, student, human rights and labour groups, used a black banner as a backdrop Monday for a news conference.
It said: "He's not welcome, eh!"
Spokeswoman Tamara Lorincz expects about 5,000 demonstrators Wednesday at a morning rally near the city's south-end dockyards, as close as they can get to the building where Bush will speak.
"I must emphasize we expect an absolutely peaceful event," she said. "We are inviting everybody who is concerned with what is going on with the U.S. administration . . . I'm bringing out my five-month-old son and lots of banners."
The march will feature black armbands and a moment of silence to mourn the thousands of civilians killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Participants will turn their backs on Pier 21 while Bush gives his speech.
A Halifax couple that hosted an American family when planes were grounded during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks attended the news conference.
Archie Kaiser and Anne Derrick took a family from New Jersey into their home when they were stranded in Halifax, and said they'd happily do so again.
But the couple said they won't welcome Bush to the province.
"I do not want Mr. Bush's belated appreciation for our role in the aftermath of 9-11," said Derrick, a prominent local lawyer.
"I do not like Halifax and Haligonians being used as a photo opportunity for a world leader who has blood on his hands and desperately needs any good international press he can get.
"We will not be cheerleaders for his administration's brutal foreign policies."
(IMHO) This whole thing is going to be very interesting.
Annessa
xoxo
November 29, 2004
Masked bands of self-described anarchists appear at most major demonstrations, often clashing with police.
But such protesters will likely be drowned out Tuesday by a diverse throng of peaceniks as George W. Bush arrives for a two-day visit to Canada. Up to about 15,000 marchers are expected in Ottawa, and another 5,000 during his trip to Halifax on Wednesday. The only aggression openly sanctioned by rally organizers seems to be the possible "toppling" of a large papier mache likeness of the U.S. president.
The stunt would mimic images flashed around the world last year as American tanks rolled into Baghdad and U.S. soldiers helped pull down a statue of Saddam Hussein.
Demonstrators in London's Trafalgar Square used the same tactic last fall during a massive anti-Bush rally.
The five-metre Bush statue, created by Toronto artist Henry Martinuk, is to be bussed to Ottawa in three pieces and reassembled on Parliament Hill.
Busloads from across Ontario and Quebec will carry protesters with a wide range of beefs, said march organizer Joe Cressy of the No to Bush Committee. The group is a collection of labour, student, church and individual activists formed solely for the president's visit.
"You'll see the Raging Grannies in addition to radical cheerleaders, Belly Dancers Against Bush, (and) Artists Against War who have created an 'Unwelcome Mat.'
"It's going to be a breadth of opposition to the policies of the Bush administration."
The war in Iraq and U.S. plans for an anti-missile defence shield will not be the only targets, Cressy said. Demonstrators will target Bush's views against the Kyoto Accord on climate change, abortion and same-sex marriage.
Placards and jeers will also greet the president Wednesday when he heads to Halifax.
The Halifax Peace Coalition, a group of 30 church, student, human rights and labour groups, used a black banner as a backdrop Monday for a news conference.
It said: "He's not welcome, eh!"
Spokeswoman Tamara Lorincz expects about 5,000 demonstrators Wednesday at a morning rally near the city's south-end dockyards, as close as they can get to the building where Bush will speak.
"I must emphasize we expect an absolutely peaceful event," she said. "We are inviting everybody who is concerned with what is going on with the U.S. administration . . . I'm bringing out my five-month-old son and lots of banners."
The march will feature black armbands and a moment of silence to mourn the thousands of civilians killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Participants will turn their backs on Pier 21 while Bush gives his speech.
A Halifax couple that hosted an American family when planes were grounded during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks attended the news conference.
Archie Kaiser and Anne Derrick took a family from New Jersey into their home when they were stranded in Halifax, and said they'd happily do so again.
But the couple said they won't welcome Bush to the province.
"I do not want Mr. Bush's belated appreciation for our role in the aftermath of 9-11," said Derrick, a prominent local lawyer.
"I do not like Halifax and Haligonians being used as a photo opportunity for a world leader who has blood on his hands and desperately needs any good international press he can get.
"We will not be cheerleaders for his administration's brutal foreign policies."
(IMHO) This whole thing is going to be very interesting.
Annessa
xoxo
Have your fun, after being ignored for 4 years it will do you good to get it out of your system. Then we can get back to serious issues facing the globe, like soft wood lumber sales.
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On my daily drive to work I listen to the CBC and PBS. It is interesting to note that the CBC has spend the last two mornings examining the GWB visit in every detail. While PBS has spend but 2 minutes on it.
While the CBC tries to remain unbias *wink wink* in their official news coverage, they show plenty of US bashing in their "related stories" nice going good friends.
On the issue of softwood lumber and beef. Yearly trade between the US and Canada is $650 Billion of that 4% is softwood lumber and beef. I wonder why this is such a big deal? IMHO this is being used as a tool to stir up more American bashing.
My all time favorite communist Jack Layton has openly called his membership to join the protest, only to have dinner tonight with GWB.
Ranger I will watch and see how Canada will handle Kyoto. So far (according to the Ottawa Citizen) there has been more lipservice than action.
While the CBC tries to remain unbias *wink wink* in their official news coverage, they show plenty of US bashing in their "related stories" nice going good friends.
On the issue of softwood lumber and beef. Yearly trade between the US and Canada is $650 Billion of that 4% is softwood lumber and beef. I wonder why this is such a big deal? IMHO this is being used as a tool to stir up more American bashing.
My all time favorite communist Jack Layton has openly called his membership to join the protest, only to have dinner tonight with GWB.
Ranger I will watch and see how Canada will handle Kyoto. So far (according to the Ottawa Citizen) there has been more lipservice than action.
These would be more worthy topics (although in all fairness everything should be on the table for two countries so economically and culturally intertwined).Ranger68 said:
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While I don't get the CBC in Ohio I do listen to NPR every day - and yes Ws trip up North is getting one or two lines - we'll see if that changes after a day or two.langeweile said:
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Who said CBC were your "good friends"? Clearly, they're not.langeweile said:
As for the softwood and beef talks, 4% of 650 million dollars is a hefty amount, and both of these groups have large, influential lobbies. That you interpret this as more excuse for American bashing just further illustrates your paranoia and jingoism.
Layton's not a communist, any more than Dubya's a fascist. .... Hmmm, maybe we should think about that.
The protocol isn't in force yet.
Do your homework.Looks like it isn't just Lang who holds this view, from Rueters today:Ranger68 said:Who said CBC were your "good friends"? Clearly, they're not.
As for the softwood and beef talks, 4% of 650 million dollars is a hefty amount, and both of these groups have large, influential lobbies. That you interpret this as more excuse for American bashing just further illustrates your paranoia and jingoism.
Layton's not a communist, any more than Dubya's a fascist. .... Hmmm, maybe we should think about that.
The protocol isn't in force yet.
" But it will be the first visit to the Canadian capital of Ottawa since Bush took office in 2001, a fact that Canada's opposition Conservatives blame on Liberal hostility.
"The reality is that the U.S. president is making his first visit to Canada, its largest trading partner, at the end of his term," Conservative Belinda Stronach told Parliament on the eve of the visit.
"There is no better proof of Liberal failure to build this critical relationship," she said, adding that it had resulted in the failure to resolve a U.S. ban on the import of live Canadian cattle and some Canadian beef as well as a lingering dispute over lumber. "
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