Good catch I was thinking Australia with 18M, so a Third of Canada then (OK a bit less but hey), doesn't really change the content though.jwmorrice said:
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GWB is coming November 30th
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"Activists from across the country will be descending on Ottawa to give Bush the welcome he deserves. The Toronto Coalition to Stop the War is organising buses to send activists from Toronto to Ottawa to participate in the mass actions against the Bush agenda. Details of the demonstrations in Ottawa are listed below, in the call-out from the "No to Bush" committee in Ottawa.
Because this will be Bush's first trip outside the U.S. since his election, it will be important for us to build the biggest possible mobilisation to show our opposition in Canada. We want to send a message of support to the people of Iraq and all oppressed people around the world: we stand in solidarity with you. And to our sisters and brothers in the American anti-war movement: the world still says no to the Bush agenda."
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Because this will be Bush's first trip outside the U.S. since his election, it will be important for us to build the biggest possible mobilisation to show our opposition in Canada. We want to send a message of support to the people of Iraq and all oppressed people around the world: we stand in solidarity with you. And to our sisters and brothers in the American anti-war movement: the world still says no to the Bush agenda."
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Freedom of speech is such a great thing.Questor said:
Could you clarify your statement of the "oppressed people in Iraq" and "the rest of the world" I am a little confused how the USA fits in there.
Are you implying that the oppression of the people in China, North Korea, Sudan, Chechnya, Iran etc.. is somehow the fault of the US? I am curious to see how you going to make yhis connection.
Mending fences will be a useless undertaking. For once i don't trust the Germans, French, Chinese and others to be serious about any consolidary statements.CH812 said:
At best we are going to get lippservice and appeasement. A lot of the anti-americanism has been brewing under the surface for a very long time.
The only wildcard is Canada. While there is a lot of hidden anti-american sentiment, a lot of Canadians understand the USA better than the rest of the world.
North America and Europe are so different in their mentality, there will be never a true closeness, unless one side is willing to give up their core beliefs.
In the end, trade might be the only true bridge.
bbking,
Pull out a 50 from your wallet, look at the old lady on it, her country is in Iraq with us. I'm tired of all the unilateral talk - just because France wanted to take bribes to keep the US out does not mean we acted alone.
I don't care that Canada didn't go, you're really not much help anyway - just political cover if we're speaking frankly. I think you should have your own foreign policy, some resources to back it up and the balls to lead once in a while - I'll hold my breath.
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Pull out a 50 from your wallet, look at the old lady on it, her country is in Iraq with us. I'm tired of all the unilateral talk - just because France wanted to take bribes to keep the US out does not mean we acted alone.
I don't care that Canada didn't go, you're really not much help anyway - just political cover if we're speaking frankly. I think you should have your own foreign policy, some resources to back it up and the balls to lead once in a while - I'll hold my breath.
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sheesh!
jwm
Just page four of this thread and already you're getting sensitive! I suppose like so many before it, this thread will now descend into an historical discussion featuring "did" "did not" and WWII. I'll leave that for the coalition of the willing.onthebottom said:
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Re: sheesh!
or the coalition of the idiots (with apologies to ms. Parrish)jwmorrice said:Just page four of this thread and already you're getting sensitive! I suppose like so many before it, this thread will now descend into an historical discussion featuring "did" "did not" and WWII. I'll leave that for the coalition of the willing.
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Quiet frankly I can't understand Canada's affection with the Queen anyway. It seems in direct conflict with Canadian values to have royality influence daily live.
Perception is reality.bbking said:
You have yours i got mine. That doesn't make anybody right or worng, in this case anyway.
bbking,
I didn't say you weren’t trust worthy, you certainly are, just not strong enough to make a difference.
If you read my post again you will note that I agree that you should have a separate, independent foreign policy but as a G8 country I also think you should have resources to back it up and the initiative to lead - you seem to self obsessed for the former and suffer a Napoleon complex that seems to hinder the latter.
To say that the British (Queen on money) Australians (mostly Marsupials on their money but still a commonwealth) and Japan (among many others) are part of a "coalition of the idiots" is a bit insulting to them - a fact that Kerry and the silly left never really figured out.
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I didn't say you weren’t trust worthy, you certainly are, just not strong enough to make a difference.
If you read my post again you will note that I agree that you should have a separate, independent foreign policy but as a G8 country I also think you should have resources to back it up and the initiative to lead - you seem to self obsessed for the former and suffer a Napoleon complex that seems to hinder the latter.
To say that the British (Queen on money) Australians (mostly Marsupials on their money but still a commonwealth) and Japan (among many others) are part of a "coalition of the idiots" is a bit insulting to them - a fact that Kerry and the silly left never really figured out.
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a) Our 50 dollar bill has William Lyon Mackenzie King on it. An adequate Prime Minister, but he was no lady.onthebottom said:
b) You know as well as we all do that the US has more troops in Iraq than all the other members of the "coalition" combined a few times over.
c) Perhaps we should keep our "resources" - fresh water, expensive but plentiful oil, infected beef and high grade marijuana - for ourselves, hmmm?
a), got me on that one
b), same is true for Afghanistan - your point would be what, that NATO and the rest of the world is impotent - I agree.
c), for a country that sends 85% of it's exports to us (3% as finished goods- at least according to the most recent ex-Liberal MPs website) I think you have more to worry about than we do, we have plenty of water - at least in the North, anyone will sell us oil (as current events show) we have plenty of beef and weed already....
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b), same is true for Afghanistan - your point would be what, that NATO and the rest of the world is impotent - I agree.
c), for a country that sends 85% of it's exports to us (3% as finished goods- at least according to the most recent ex-Liberal MPs website) I think you have more to worry about than we do, we have plenty of water - at least in the North, anyone will sell us oil (as current events show) we have plenty of beef and weed already....
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Well langeweille it's not a conflict at all. America has a very progressive perspective and Canada's is extremely conservative. Thus, the reverence of despotism and princes, social elites, entrenched social class systems and all the detritus of old europe.
It is appaling that on one side of our coins we depict the bust of a foreign prince, of a long line of murderous tyrants, a prince of the most orthodox standard.
There may be a glimmer of hope that things will gradually turn. We need to become a sovereign Republic.
It is appaling that on one side of our coins we depict the bust of a foreign prince, of a long line of murderous tyrants, a prince of the most orthodox standard.
There may be a glimmer of hope that things will gradually turn. We need to become a sovereign Republic.
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No no no no no, I don't care if you do what we ask, it's not that important to me (or the US). You are not a large country, you are not a powerful country and you don't hold a permanent seat on the UNSC.bbking said:
What I do want is for you to step us, on your own terms, in your own way, and have a bit of a punch when you need it.
I think you've got the rest of this right, I think the US was determined to do what it thought was right regardless of who agreed. I would have rather it happened the way you describe - many Canadians probably are glad it did not.bbking said:
I'm not familiar with the yucks about Canada in Afghanistan - unless you are referring to the Canadians killed by our plans - not much of a yucks (if you meant that as funny) pretty bad day for both of us.
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That was well put OTB. Instead of bitching and whining, we need to develop some specialty. Sure, we'll never field a carrier group, but with a specialized type of force really good at what they do, then when America needs that they can tap us.
BTW that is currently the case in Astan - Canadian snipers are supposed to be kickass.
BTW that is currently the case in Astan - Canadian snipers are supposed to be kickass.
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