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George The Curious

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whoever that said gold is money is a joke.

whoever said gold is not likely to go below 1000 because most of gold miners will be out of work is also a joke. what does anybody care if gold miners are out of work? they should not be a big percentage of economy anyways. gold is useless, it does not produce any goods that are useful.
 

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whoever that said gold is money is a joke.

whoever said gold is not likely to go below 1000 because most of gold miners will be out of work is also a joke. what does anybody care if gold miners are out of work? they should not be a big percentage of economy anyways. gold is useless, it does not produce any goods that are useful.

MSOG is long gone, but he was very insulted when you even suggested gold was not all he was claiming it was.
 

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I'm starting to average in small amounts into the miners. But there hasn't been enough blood in the streets yet IMO. I expect the HUI to re-test the 2008 lows, and if it does I will be investing more.

So much hate out there for this sector. You don't have to be a gold bug to see that a great long-term buying opportunity is shaping up.
 

goodguy1977

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I'm starting to average in small amounts into the miners. But there hasn't been enough blood in the streets yet IMO. I expect the HUI to re-test the 2008 lows, and if it does I will be investing more.

So much hate out there for this sector. You don't have to be a gold bug to see that a great long-term buying opportunity is shaping up.
Hello there,

The fundamentals and technical look horrible for gold. The world seems to be moving into the cycle of withdrawing liquidity rather than pumping more in. Thus gold prices do not look as positive as they previously have. Why would you purchase more at this point? You could be looking at a prolonged period of decreasing gold prices? The operating companies are levered to the precious metals prices, thus their revenue would actually go down!!! Is there something we are missing? From a technical perspective, it just looks broken. You may want to take another look at your strategy my friend.

Goodguy
 

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There is one and only one strategy that works at any time namely diversification
in your asset allocation. At present the prospects of government bonds and blue
chip dividend stocks looks alarming. Many dividend stocks have pulled back from
their 3 years high by more than 15%. If 10-year U.S. treasury yield continue to move
higher we could see more widening of yield spread between treasury notes and Canadian
income stocks. That does not mean investors should give up on income stocks
entirely. For no one can tell in advance where the market is heading in one year.

I can see someone who may want to trim down holdings of Canadian government
bonds and dividend stocks in a conservatively oriented portfolio. OTOH if you have
a 100% cash position taking advantage of the recent corrections of dividend
stocks by adding BCE and Telus to your portfolio could also be worth the interest
rate risk. Regarding gold the end of QE is by no means certain. The fundamentals
underlying gold remain pretty much the same. Depending on your outlook maintaining
say a 10% of weight in gold in your asset allocation is reasonable.
 

goodguy1977

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I'm starting to average in small amounts into the miners. But there hasn't been enough blood in the streets yet IMO. I expect the HUI to re-test the 2008 lows, and if it does I will be investing more.

So much hate out there for this sector. You don't have to be a gold bug to see that a great long-term buying opportunity is shaping up.
How about this, save your money, with the savings you could thank me with a gift certificate at Mirage??? :eyebrows:

Have a great day!

Goodguy
 

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I admit that we're still in a strong downtrend despite Friday's high volume rally. Gold needs to hold at 1200 or traders are going to take it to 1000 and below. Futures traders most likely will set up fake outs on the way down.

The fundamentals for gold still look bullish long term, Fed noise and taper talk (panic) aside. I'll patiently eat my small paper losses in the meantime.
 

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I admit that we're still in a strong downtrend despite Friday's high volume rally. Gold needs to hold at 1200 or traders are going to take it to 1000 and below. Futures traders most likely will set up fake outs on the way down.

The fundamentals for gold still look bullish long term, Fed noise and taper talk (panic) aside. I'll patiently eat my small paper losses in the meantime.
$1200 does not cover the cash cost of mining it.
 

goodguy1977

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I admit that we're still in a strong downtrend despite Friday's high volume rally. Gold needs to hold at 1200 or traders are going to take it to 1000 and below. Futures traders most likely will set up fake outs on the way down.

The fundamentals for gold still look bullish long term, Fed noise and taper talk (panic) aside. I'll patiently eat my small paper losses in the meantime.
You might get that sustainable bounce! The equities got a positive jolt Friday!

Goodguy
 

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What’s Shiny, Unprintable And Headed Overseas?

http://dailyresourcehunter.com/whats-shiny-unprintable-and-headed-overseas/

Matt Insley
July 3rd, 2013

Here’s a riddle for you…

When folks sell their electronic-traded-fund (ETF) gold and other electronic bullion, where does it go?

Does the bullion zap away into the nether regions of the internet? Does it move from one clandestine warehouse to another? Maybe it heads to a government coffer?

You may be surprised where one gold research firm thinks the “sold” metal may be heading. Plus, as the layers of the onion fall off, you’ll likely be swayed into my line of thinking: now’s an important time to get physical in the gold market…

Before we answer our above riddle, let’s take a look at some recent, surprising trends in the gold market.

Even though there’s been a downturn in the price per ounce, physical demand for gold is gearing up — at an alarming rate.

Here’s what is happening, according to a recent report from the World Gold Council:

Mints have uniformly reported being swamped with orders.

Total number of American Eagle coin sales in the month of April were the highest since June 2010 and represented the highest ever dollar value recorded by the mint.

The UK mint reported a tripling of coin sales in April.

The Perth mint reported the highest demand levels in five years and that the mint was working through weekends to satisfy demand.

Premiums in regional markets have been pushed to exceptional levels

In India, consumers have flooded into the market, viewing the lower prices very much as a buying opportunity, with a sudden rise in jewelry sales reported from retailers across the nation.

Japanese jewelers reported a surge of buying [...] The top jewelry retailing chains reported up to six-fold increases in volume with buying heavily outweighing selling.

Some refiners report that they continue to work at high levels of capacity to meet demand. There is a lack of recycling at these price points and large bars have been imported to meet shortages. This is particularly true for those refineries supplying Eastern markets.

Transport capacity has also been strained, as the ability of the global supply chain to deliver gold to meet end user demand is limited and difficult to ramp up in a short period of time.

Ha! You can’t miss with that many bullets! Indeed, demand for physical metal is on the rise this year. So no matter what you’re seeing on your trading screen or hearing from the market sentiment, it turns out physical buyers like bargains and gold is flying off the shelves!

This follows the larger trend we’ve seen throughout 2013. While ETFs and other investable gold vehicles are shedding their gold (because of outflows from selling), physical buyers are coming out in droves to buy it.

Whether it’s individuals who are bargain hunting, or central banks looking to diversify away from the U.S. dollar, the ounces are getting gobbled up at an alarming rate.

It wouldn’t be a stretch to say 2013 is the year of “physical fever!”

Fact is, we got a taste of this physical fever a few times this year — which gets us closer to answering the riddle up at the top of this issue.

According to the above-noted report from the World Gold Council, 45% of Indian and Chinese consumers have purchased gold in the last six months (as of May2013.) Holy bullion, Batman! That’s up from 29% a year prior, and represents nearly one in every two people!

You think half the consumers in the U.S. could say they bought gold in the past six months? No way! Regardless of what’s happening in the west, Asian buyers are making moves on bargain gold.

This report jives with the March bow-wave of purchases from mainland China. Over 223 metric tons of the Midas metal were imported to China (via Hong Kong.) Whether that represents stealthy government purchases or individual buying, it’s still a huge number.

And remember, we’ve also seen plenty of physical fever from legitimate government sources.

Take Germany for example. Earlier this year the Germans made a shocking (but not so shocking when you think about it) announcement. As it turns out, the Germans want to keep tabs on their physical gold stash. Who’da thought!?

“Very Very Strange” In The Physical Gold Market…

In January, Germany announced a plan to repatriate 674 metric tons of its gold holdings from vaults in France and the U.S. — “in case of a currency crisis” they said. Indeed, it seems more and more folks want to have their hands on physical metal.

The Germans keeping close tabs on their $27B treasure (at today’s price of $1,250) isn’t strange. But here are a few things that are! According to commodity expert Jim Rogers:

What’s astonishing to me is that the Germans didn’t have their gold in the first place. And what’s even more astonishing is the fact that the Americans said, ‘we’re not going to let you look at your gold. You cannot come in here and audit it.’ And then they said, ‘and it’s going to take seven years for you to get your gold.’ Something is very, very strange here. I don’t have a clue what, but if I were Germany, my goodness, how long does it take to move a few tons of gold from New York to Berlin? I assure you, if they need it done, I could do it next week, if they really wanted it done. So something is very strange, here.

There’s a lot to be desired in the transparency of the physical market. As Roger’s alludes above you’ve got to wonder why Germany can’t get its gold back in quick order.

We’re also seeing a similar trend develop at the world’s largest metal repository, the London Metals Exchange.

As Bloomberg reports this week, the wait time for getting several industrial metals has exceeded 100 days in certain locations. Sure, we’re talking apples and oranges with industrial and precious metals — but the unifying trend is that physical metal isn’t always easy to come by. In some cases the major trading houses fully control who has access to metal along with when/where the metals are distributed.

Tying all the pieces together, even in the face of a market selloff, there’s a lot of demand hanging around for physical metal.

In a roundabout way this gets us back to our riddle above.

When folks sell their electronically traded fund (ETF) gold and other electronic bullion, where does it go?

Indeed, it doesn’t just disappear into cyber-space, nor does it look to be headed from one secret vault to another. Instead, we’re seeing the flow of bullion headed towards two distinct places: savvy central banks are picking up the metal and, more and more, we’re seeing the metal flow to buyers in the east.

According to the World Gold Council “It is quite likely that gold previously held in the ETFs will find its way to Asian consumers taking a long-term view on gold.”

“Long-term” is the key word here. This is an unprecedented wave of long-term, physical metal demand from central banks and individual alike.

This metal move, from weak hands to strong, will help to stabilize prices in the long run. Importantly, it may mark one of the last bargain opportunities we’ll see in a while.

Keep your boots muddy,
 

George The Curious

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Look where asian mentality of hording got them in recent 500 year history? they lagged behind europeans becuase they thought hording money or gold would ensure prosperity. In fact the real wealth is created by technology and innovation. Let them horde gold. I would rather side with societies invest more in R&D than dead weight metals.
 

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Look where asian mentality of hording got them in recent 500 year history? they lagged behind europeans becuase they thought hording money or gold would ensure prosperity. In fact the real wealth is created by technology and innovation. Let them horde gold. I would rather side with societies invest more in R&D than dead weight metals.
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Look where asian mentality of hording got them in recent 500 year history? they lagged behind europeans becuase they thought hording money or gold would ensure prosperity. In fact the real wealth is created by technology and innovation. Let them horde gold. I would rather side with societies invest more in R&D than dead weight metals.
If physical gold (not that paper gold that most ETF is trading) is so worthless, then why America is holding the most physical gold in the world?
 

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I've read some interesting articles on the net about gold over the last few months. Two things, first according to a few "conspiracy" types gold is being kept artificially low by the central banks as they are all buying but don't want to pay top dollar for it, so the theory is the banks have gotten most of the investment banks to drive the price lower by manipulating the market. Is it true? who knows. Second, I've read the reason the US has told Germany they can't have their gold for 7 years let alone look at it is because they don't have it. The story is they've sold it off over the years believing the Germans would just leave things alone, now they want their gold back the US is scrambling to buy it back but they want to buy at rock bottom prices hence the manipulation of the market to keep the price low. I'm not sure I believe all this but it's one of the interesting theories out there. But I do believe that gold is being purchased heavily by almost everyone so the demand is high but for some reason the price is not. Doesn't make any sense to me.
 

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S the bubble phase about to begin?

http://goldscents.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/is-bubble-phase-about-to-begin.html

Is the bubble phase about to begin?

Toby Connor
June 30th, 2013

I think the manipulation after QE4 has accelerated the bull market. We now have the necessary conditions for the bubble phase in gold to begin. I was expecting the second phase correction (the correction that separates the second phase of the bull market from the bubble phase) to occur at the next 8 year cycle low due in 2016. However I think the manipulation of the precious metals markets over the last 8 months has probably shortened the bull market.

Contrary to what many believe manipulation doesn't delay a market. Manipulation accelerates and intensifies the secular trend as it creates supply and demand imbalances. Once the market breaks free of the manipulation the trend reverses and ultimately goes much further and much more violently in the secular direction than would have occurred normally.

If the metals had been allowed to trade freely then I think we would have gotten another C-wave advance into 2014, followed by a devastating correction into the 8 year cycle low in 2016. That move into the 8 year cycle low would have marked the transition from the second phase to the bubble phase.

However the metals weren't allowed to trade freely after QE4. They were continually hit with artificial & manipulative selling in the over night and premarket for months. I think this has converted what should have been just a normal correction into the second phase correction, and when gold breaks free it's going to deliver the bubble phase over the next two years instead of in 2017/18 that would have occurred in a natural market.

Whether you think I'm right or not, pretty much every bubble has to have one of these extreme corrections to completely cleanse bullish sentiment before starting. In 2007 oil dipped 37% convincing everyone that the peak oil crowd were idiots. Oil then rallied 200% in the next year and a half vindicating the bulls and making the critics look foolish.

In 1998 the NASDAQ corrected 40%. Everyone was convinced the secular bull had ended. It had not ended, but the correction did clean the slate and prepare the market for tech stocks to rally 300% in the next year and a half.

Gold has just corrected 37%, miners almost 70%. No one even believes that gold will ever see $1900 again, much less many multiples higher than that. Yet gold has now put in place the necessary conditions for a bubble to begin. And all big secular bull markets end in bubbles.Human nature never changes.

The fundamentals driving gold have not changed. In fact I would suggest the supply side has been severely damaged as many tons of physical gold has moved from west to east during the manipulation event. That gold is never coming back. It's going to remain locked up inside eastern central banks, and in the hands of Asians for years to come.

It's always when it looks least likely that major trend changes occur.

Watch gold next week. If the bubble phase is beginning then we should see gold rebound violently as it breaks free of the manipulation. Miners in particular should rally 10-15%.

If gold waffles around coming out of this bottom then the correction isn't done yet. But either way, whether it ended on Friday or the bottom is still ahead of us, I think this correction is creating the conditions necessary for the bubble phase to begin.

I discuss this topic with Korelin economics in the weekend report weekend report.
 

George The Curious

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All this talk of manipulation and conspiracy theories are nothing but speculation. Everyone knows gold was and is still over-valued. Only some foolish ones think this is a chance to buy and go nuts over physical gold. In a few months they will be trapped with losses.
Maybe we will see a rebound next week but it's just dead cat bouncing. Even at $1400, it is still below the downtrend line, and if retesting at this level fails, it will drop violently.
 

goodguy1977

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All this talk of manipulation and conspiracy theories are nothing but speculation. Everyone knows gold was and is still over-valued. Only some foolish ones think this is a chance to buy and go nuts over physical gold. In a few months they will be trapped with losses.
Maybe we will see a rebound next week but it's just dead cat bouncing. Even at $1400, it is still below the downtrend line, and if retesting at this level fails, it will drop violently.
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All this talk of manipulation and conspiracy theories are nothing but speculation. Everyone knows gold was and is still over-valued. Only some foolish ones think this is a chance to buy and go nuts over physical gold. In a few months they will be trapped with losses.
Maybe we will see a rebound next week but it's just dead cat bouncing. Even at $1400, it is still below the downtrend line, and if retesting at this level fails, it will drop violently.
Tell the Chinese that gold is over-valued. lol

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/07/05/chinas-gold-imports-remain-massive/
 
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