Go Leafs Go!!
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Any bets on who won't be back in a leafs uniform?
O'Neil (UFA)? Perreault (UFA)? Peca (UFA)? Devereaux (UFA)? Battaglia (UFA)? Aubin (UFA)? Travis Green (UFA)?
Nik Antropov and Jeff O'Neill are both eligible UFA's come July 1, yet there is nary a mention of any of them being on the move. For years, Leafs fans have bemoaned the fact that Antropov is in the lineup. Now, with free agency on the horizon, and the possibility that another team would sign him, how do Leafs fans feel about that?
And what to do with Sundin (UFA)?
it seems to me that all the wrong players are the UFA's this year... couldn't happen at a worse time.
definitely not UFA's soon enough:
Kubina?
McCabe?
Gill?
O'Neil (UFA)? Perreault (UFA)? Peca (UFA)? Devereaux (UFA)? Battaglia (UFA)? Aubin (UFA)? Travis Green (UFA)?
Nik Antropov and Jeff O'Neill are both eligible UFA's come July 1, yet there is nary a mention of any of them being on the move. For years, Leafs fans have bemoaned the fact that Antropov is in the lineup. Now, with free agency on the horizon, and the possibility that another team would sign him, how do Leafs fans feel about that?
And what to do with Sundin (UFA)?
it seems to me that all the wrong players are the UFA's this year... couldn't happen at a worse time.
definitely not UFA's soon enough:
Kubina?
McCabe?
Gill?
So basically, what you're saying are that the Leafs are an excellent organization, the proof of which is that MLSE continues to ice a team that the citizens of a savvy, cosmopolitan city, like Toronto feel is worth supporting year after year, even if it means paying a premium. After all, if the product wasn't worth it, people wouldn't pay for it, just like any other product in a free market.guyroch said:
Kudos to MLSE. We are so lucky to have them.
not your fault guyroch, but again Canadian media is making up b.s. stats and numbers...guyroch said:
these prices are not correct by a longshot. They are all more expensive than what they state here. I know because I do attend games all over the place and keep current on prices. Of course, them playing with the numbers a wee bit helps their cause in building a good argument... regardless, the truth is enough of a story as is... the leafs fans pay too much but, the dumbasses keep going to the games...
by the way, a hot dog under $5 is quite reasonable as I've seen as high as $8.50 in Denver.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/colum...03_110229_5128
Mats Sundin has a torn labrum. That much is known. Big deal. Sundin basically has a sore hip, but to say it is career-threatening is a bit of a stretch, although it makes for great headlines and even better water-cooler fodder.
Surgery is possible, although it is not required as long as Sundin is in no discomfort. It's probable that surgeons will not recommend surgery as long as there is no pain and Sundin can play with the injury.
What we don't know for certain is what kind of surgery.
If Sundin has cartilage damage in the area, the surgery can be career-threatening. If there is no cartilage damage, it is not career-threatening. It's worth mentioning that Sundin didn't miss a game or a practice last season due to labrum-related issues.
But because it's Mats Sundin, who is one of the best players to ever wear the Maple Leaf crest on his chest, and because Sundin is in contract talks with the club, this sore hip (aka torn labrum) has become the most important sore hip/torn labrum in the history of the world. All others pale in comparison. Gotta love Canadian Media.
Judging by the reaction to the leak about Sundin's medical condition, L'Affair Labrum is the biggest story in the fickle fantasyland called Leaf Nation.
Never has a sore hip caused such a stir.
My only reasoning as to why this is even a story is because it was a leak... and Mats in under contract talks. He IS 37 yrs old and wants a ton of money.. his agent was involved in the owen nolan affair and who knows what board members he pissed off OR, who's in bed with WHO??? ...mats had a very nice career but its time the leafs make sure they dont get burned again. this is not to say his career is over... far from it. I just don't want to see another Cap Space wasting contract signed.
Mats Sundin has a torn labrum. That much is known. Big deal. Sundin basically has a sore hip, but to say it is career-threatening is a bit of a stretch, although it makes for great headlines and even better water-cooler fodder.
Surgery is possible, although it is not required as long as Sundin is in no discomfort. It's probable that surgeons will not recommend surgery as long as there is no pain and Sundin can play with the injury.
What we don't know for certain is what kind of surgery.
If Sundin has cartilage damage in the area, the surgery can be career-threatening. If there is no cartilage damage, it is not career-threatening. It's worth mentioning that Sundin didn't miss a game or a practice last season due to labrum-related issues.
But because it's Mats Sundin, who is one of the best players to ever wear the Maple Leaf crest on his chest, and because Sundin is in contract talks with the club, this sore hip (aka torn labrum) has become the most important sore hip/torn labrum in the history of the world. All others pale in comparison. Gotta love Canadian Media.
Judging by the reaction to the leak about Sundin's medical condition, L'Affair Labrum is the biggest story in the fickle fantasyland called Leaf Nation.
Never has a sore hip caused such a stir.
My only reasoning as to why this is even a story is because it was a leak... and Mats in under contract talks. He IS 37 yrs old and wants a ton of money.. his agent was involved in the owen nolan affair and who knows what board members he pissed off OR, who's in bed with WHO??? ...mats had a very nice career but its time the leafs make sure they dont get burned again. this is not to say his career is over... far from it. I just don't want to see another Cap Space wasting contract signed.
In a poll of 80,000 fans released earlier this year by ESPN The Magazine, the Leafs ranked last out of 122 franchises in terms of affordability (tickets, parking and concessions) in the four major North American pro sports.
I meant to much earlier explain my defence for Quinn as GM. Now that I have the time, here is what I meant:
One thing Quinn did right was stock pile draft picks:
1999: 0 Extra
2000: 1 Extra
2001: 3 Extra
2002: 1 Extra
Especially in 2001 where he had 3 extra draft picks look at how well they were able to stock the prospect pool:
2001
17 D Carlo Colaiacovo
39 D Karel Pilar
65 D Brendan Bell
82 D Jay Harrison
88 C Nicolas Corbeil
134 C Kyle Wellwood
168 D Maxim Kondratiev
183 L Jaroslav Sklenar
198 F Ivan Kolozvary
213 G Jan Chovan
246 D Tomas Mojzis
276 F Mike Knoepfli
that was an outstanding effort to foresee the future need of NHL players on this team. In most draft years, the average amount of drafted players per team to ever make the NHL is 2. Quinn was able to get 5.
Transactions made by Quinn to get those extra picks:
One thing Quinn did right was stock pile draft picks:
1999: 0 Extra
2000: 1 Extra
2001: 3 Extra
2002: 1 Extra
Especially in 2001 where he had 3 extra draft picks look at how well they were able to stock the prospect pool:
2001
17 D Carlo Colaiacovo
39 D Karel Pilar
65 D Brendan Bell
82 D Jay Harrison
88 C Nicolas Corbeil
134 C Kyle Wellwood
168 D Maxim Kondratiev
183 L Jaroslav Sklenar
198 F Ivan Kolozvary
213 G Jan Chovan
246 D Tomas Mojzis
276 F Mike Knoepfli
that was an outstanding effort to foresee the future need of NHL players on this team. In most draft years, the average amount of drafted players per team to ever make the NHL is 2. Quinn was able to get 5.
Transactions made by Quinn to get those extra picks:
Of course Quinn did trade a lot of picks as well BUT always stocked up more picks then he gave away. If we even had a decent scouting staff like the one JFJr had permission to hire, we might have come out in even better shape.
JFj's drafts:
2004
90 G Justin Pogge
113 F Roman Kukumberg
157 D Dmitry Vorobiev
187 L Robbie Earl
220 D Maxim Semenov
252 C Jan Steber
285 R Pierce Norton
2005
21 G Tuukka Rask
82 D Phil Oreskovic
153 R Alex Berry
173 W Johan Dahlberg
216 D Anton Stralman
228 C Chad Rau
2006
13 C Jiri Tlusty
44 W Nikolai Kulemin
99 G James Reimer
111 D Korbinian Holzer
161 L Viktor Stahlberg
166 C Tyler Ruegsegger
180 C Leo Komarov
Still possibly too soon to evaluate. But, from what I can see here, A potential franchise goaltender, or atleast number one goalie, in his first draft, which wasn't a first overall pick. A very good defencive prospect in Stralman in his second, and two very good forward prospects in his third. Maybe JFJr is doing well in drafting, but these are all +2010 candidates.
mind you, JFJr contracted out drafting to his newly (2004) hired scouting staff. either way, if it's successful, it's worth it.
my question to JFJr though is? If you're so happy with your scouting staff then WHY AREN'T YOU GETTING THEM MORE DRAFT PICKS INSTEAD OF TRADING THEM AWAY?
-I did not like trading away Bell for a rental who was only used as a 4th liner and given no PP time.
-Trading Rask for Raycroft was also dumb. I never thought that was a good idea. Rask may be stepping into the NHL soon... boston just signed him and he'll probably spend the next few seasons in Providence. He's showed to be better than Pogge as of late.
-Signing both McCabe and Kubina was dumb, he should have let them both go and sign a star winger, one very good winger, and a 2-way defenseman like Pronger.
-Getting something for someone pre UFA is better than nothing after losing them to UFA... Could we not have gotten 3rd or 4th rounders for ONeill and Antropov, which are two players I'll be very surprised if they are back next season. There are a lot of spare parts we had including Battaglia, Belak, Green, etc. I suggest getting anything for them would be better then nothing at all.
2004
90 G Justin Pogge
113 F Roman Kukumberg
157 D Dmitry Vorobiev
187 L Robbie Earl
220 D Maxim Semenov
252 C Jan Steber
285 R Pierce Norton
2005
21 G Tuukka Rask
82 D Phil Oreskovic
153 R Alex Berry
173 W Johan Dahlberg
216 D Anton Stralman
228 C Chad Rau
2006
13 C Jiri Tlusty
44 W Nikolai Kulemin
99 G James Reimer
111 D Korbinian Holzer
161 L Viktor Stahlberg
166 C Tyler Ruegsegger
180 C Leo Komarov
Still possibly too soon to evaluate. But, from what I can see here, A potential franchise goaltender, or atleast number one goalie, in his first draft, which wasn't a first overall pick. A very good defencive prospect in Stralman in his second, and two very good forward prospects in his third. Maybe JFJr is doing well in drafting, but these are all +2010 candidates.
mind you, JFJr contracted out drafting to his newly (2004) hired scouting staff. either way, if it's successful, it's worth it.
my question to JFJr though is? If you're so happy with your scouting staff then WHY AREN'T YOU GETTING THEM MORE DRAFT PICKS INSTEAD OF TRADING THEM AWAY?
-I did not like trading away Bell for a rental who was only used as a 4th liner and given no PP time.
-Trading Rask for Raycroft was also dumb. I never thought that was a good idea. Rask may be stepping into the NHL soon... boston just signed him and he'll probably spend the next few seasons in Providence. He's showed to be better than Pogge as of late.
-Signing both McCabe and Kubina was dumb, he should have let them both go and sign a star winger, one very good winger, and a 2-way defenseman like Pronger.
-Getting something for someone pre UFA is better than nothing after losing them to UFA... Could we not have gotten 3rd or 4th rounders for ONeill and Antropov, which are two players I'll be very surprised if they are back next season. There are a lot of spare parts we had including Battaglia, Belak, Green, etc. I suggest getting anything for them would be better then nothing at all.
Should we put an offer sheet for Ray Emery?
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Much like Bobby Clark did with that Vancouver player?
That would really make Ottawa have to pay big bucks to Ray, using up cap space.
If they don't match it, Emery can come play for his favourite team.
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Much like Bobby Clark did with that Vancouver player?
That would really make Ottawa have to pay big bucks to Ray, using up cap space.
If they don't match it, Emery can come play for his favourite team.
Oh, and Aleksander Suglobov walked out on the team after Marlies cleaned out their lockers.
he's now signed with St. Petersburg in Russia.
he's now signed with St. Petersburg in Russia.
Serviceable? I'd say serviceable, alright.
Ken Klee led the Avalanche in +/-. he played the PK and the PP, too!
Ken Klee led the Avalanche in +/-. he played the PK and the PP, too!
they say if a New Jersey defenceman has a bad game, it's 'cause they played their back-up goalie... lol...
