Ashley Madison

Global warming hits Los Angeles

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This is all very simple: If people like me are wrong, okay, no problem. If people like you are wrong, we're fucking dead. I would rather not gamble on it.

My part in this discussion is over.
People would be suffering and dying from climate catastrophe if global
emission is not halved by 2030. If that is what you believe you better
hope you are wrong.

And I am not sure what you think I am right/wrong about. I am
just asking what climate model can simulate and predict
the climate based on different levels of global emission. My
purpose is to educate myself, not to prove you wrong. Don't
you think such model is very useful to demonstrate how
disastrous the climate could be should emission continue rising?
 

Frankfooter

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People would be suffering and dying from climate catastrophe if global
emission is not halved by 2030. If that is what you believe you better
hope you are wrong.
People are already suffering and dying from increased extreme weather caused by climate change.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Thats happened before in the 19th century
A typically lame argument from Phil.

If Los Angeles proves that there's no global warming, what does the Rideau Canal say? This is a first ever for the RC but I'd be willing to bet that LA has had snow before.

How often has it snowed in Los Angeles?

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Clearly, snow in LA is much more common than the Rideau canal not being frozen over.
 

shack

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It's important to learn the difference between global warming versus climate change.
Phil has a learning disorder.

He hasn't learned that what happens on .0001% of the earth's land mass is not necessarily what is happening on the world as a whole.

He hasn't learned that his grandfather's anecdotal observations are not only wrong, but they have no correlation to what's happening worldwide.

He hasn't learned that he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Every time he uses these idiotic examples to supposedly prove his point, the only thing he proves is his ignorance.
 

Frankfooter

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Global warming hits Mallorca, Spain 😂
An increase in extreme weather events is part of climate change.
This would be hard for phil to understand, which is why I'm on ignore, but you put more heat into a system and it creates more energy and turbulence.
Its a simple concept, but likely too much for a phil or larue to understand.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You have to be a troll. No one is as dumb as you pretend to be
Whenever there's a canal that doesnt freeze up in the winter you lot use this as evidence of global warming.
Then when it snows in California or Mallorca, you lot suddenly do a 180 and claim weather =/= climate.

You can't have it both ways
 

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Whenever there's a canal that doesnt freeze up in the winter you lot use this as evidence of global warming.
Then when it snows in California or Mallorca, you lot suddenly do a 180 and claim weather =/= climate.

You can't have it both ways
Yes, significant changes to climactic patterns are typically seen as evidence of climate change.

"Once in a century" events do happen but when they start happening on a regular basis, you need to examine your opinions.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Yes, significant changes to climactic patterns are typically seen as evidence of climate change.

"Once in a century" events do happen but when they start happening on a regular basis, you need to examine your opinions
Rideau canal not freezing up is not happening on a regular basis.
Its only happened once in the last 80 years
 

shack

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Whenever there's a canal that doesnt freeze up in the winter you lot use this as evidence of global warming.
Then when it snows in California or Mallorca, you lot suddenly do a 180 and claim weather =/= climate.

You can't have it both ways
You've been using these dumb local or anecdotal incidents as proof for years.

The melting of the polar ice caps and the rise of average global temperatures is much better evidence than the Rideau Canal, but you reject those out of hand as well.
 

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Looks to me global warming in LA can be adapted to.
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Micrometeorological Simulations to Predict the
Impacts of Heat Mitigation Strategies on Pedestrian
Thermal Comfort in a Los Angeles Neighborhood
Mohammad Taleghani and George A. Ban-Weiss
Univ of Southern California
David J. Sailor, Portland State Univ and Arizona State Univ

Abstract

The urban heat island impacts the thermal comfort of pedestrians in
cities. In this paper, the effects of four heat mitigation strategies on
micrometeorology and the thermal comfort of pedestrians were simulated
for a neighborhood in eastern Los Angeles County. The strategies
investigated include solar reflective ‘cool roofs’, vegetative
‘green roofs’, solar reflective ‘cool pavements’, and increased
streetlevel trees. A series of micrometeorological simulations for an
extreme heat day were carried out assuming widespread adoption of each
mitigation strategy. Comparing each simulation to the control simulation
assuming current land cover for the neighborhood showed that additional
street-trees and cool pavements reduced 1.5 m air temperature, while
cool and green roofs mostly provided cooling at heights above pedestrian
level. However, cool pavements increased reflected sunlight from the
ground to pedestrians at a set of unshaded receptor locations. This
reflected radiation intensified the mean radiant temperature and
consequently increased physiological equivalent temperature (PET) by
2.2 °C during the day, reducing the thermal comfort of pedestrians. At
another set of receptor locations that were on average 5 m from roadways
and underneath preexisting tree cover, cool pavements caused significant
reductions in surface air temperatures and small changes in mean radiant
temperature during the day, leading to decreases in PET of 1.1 °C, and
consequent improvements in thermal comfort. For improving thermal comfort
of pedestrians during the afternoon in unshaded locations, adding street
trees was found to be the most effective strategy. However, afternoon
thermal comfort improvements in already shaded locations adjacent to
streets were most significant for cool pavements. Green and cool roofs
showed the lowest impact on the thermal comfort of pedestrians since they
modify the energy balance at roof level, above the height of pedestrian.

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Environmental Research Letters. 2016 Feb 2;11(2):024003.
 

oil&gas

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Yes, significant changes to climactic patterns are typically seen as evidence of climate change.
For a time I thought past predictions of changes to climactic patters
in the near future by computer simulation based on climate models are
seen as evidence of climate changes. If results of climate modelling reported
in 2000's are in line with changes in climate changes measured in the following
decade of 2010--2020 then the climate model employed is verified.

This is indeed how models developed in environmental science (and
other branches of science as well). Many years ago an environmental
engineering and consultant company located somewhere in South West
Ontario were approached by government administrators from Southern
China on modelling air quality in the Pearl Delta Region. The company
was later offered a lucrative contract. What earned them the offer? They
deployed a model developed by some eminent environment institute
in the U.S. to perform simulations based on data provided by their clients.
As it turned out the model predicted distribution of pollutants in the
atmosphere over time in agreement with data obtained at a later time.

To the best of my knowledge no climate models have the capability to
perform simulation of future global climate pattern based on past and
projected global carbon emission level. If I am wrong and such models
do exist you have to checked if past predictions of the models, says
changes in hurricane frequency in the Gulf of Mexico or the entire
Pacific Ocean turned out to be correct.

Penchant for calling climate skeptics science denier is one
defining characteristic of climate sheeple I suggest it is time
for credulous climate sheeple to look into the science of
climate change to decide for themselves if climate catastrophe
beyond the tipping point of climate change is awaiting them.

Here is a report I recommend to climate sheeple who may
want to brush up their literacy in climate modelling. A serious
study of climate science could lift the sheeple out of their
bliss of ignorance and even better enable them to continue
burning fossil fuel on a good conscience.

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The origins of computer weather prediction and climate modeling
Peter Lynch
Meteorology and Climate Centre, School of Mathematical Sciences, University College Dublin, Belfield, Ireland

Abstract

Numerical simulation of an ever-increasing range of geophysical phenomena is adding enormously to our understanding of complex processes in the Earth system. The consequences for mankind of ongoing climate change will be far-reaching. Earth System Models are capable of replicating climate regimes of past millennia and are the best means we have of predicting the future of our climate.

The basic ideas of numerical forecasting and climate modeling were developed about a century ago, long before the first electronic computer was constructed. There were several major practical obstacles to be overcome before numerical prediction could be put into practice. A fuller understanding of atmospheric dynamics allowed the development of simplified systems of equations; regular radiosonde observations of the free atmosphere and, later, satellite data, provided the initial conditions; stable finite difference schemes were developed; and powerful electronic computers provided a practical means of carrying out the prodigious calculations required to predict the changes in the weather.

Progress in weather forecasting and in climate modeling over the past 50 years has been dramatic. In this presentation, we will trace the history of computer forecasting through the ENIAC integrations to the present day. The useful range of deterministic prediction is increasing by about one day each decade, and our understanding of climate change is growing rapidly as Earth System Models of ever-increasing sophistication are developed.
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Lynch P. The origins of computer weather prediction and climate modeling. Journal of computational physics. 2008 Mar 20;227(7):3431-44.






"Once in a century" events do happen but when they start happening on a regular basis, you need to examine your opinions.
 
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