Ford passed the legislation for ripping up the bike lanes TODAY!!
- Thread starter mandrill
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If this is your argument then it has nothing, nil, nada, zero f*ck all to do with the bike lanes on Bloor, University and Yonge that the Fraud is threatening to rip out.
You and he have no valid argument vis-a-vis these bike lanes being anything more than an insignificant and utterly trivial factor in traffic congestion and gridlock.
You're the one going off on rants about no one drives downtown except to get to and back from far flung places and parts unknown.
Stick to the subject and save yourself the embarrassment.
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No, it's not shocking at all that you and hundreds, upon hundreds of thousands of others like you from the suburbs, inner suburbs and exurbs just hop in your car for every single, solitary thing that pops into your minds. It's a mindset, it's nurture, it's bred into the culture out there, it's in your DNA.
Throughout all of your whiny, moaning, sobbing posts detailing your motor vehicle traveling escapades into Dante's car hell of congestion and gridlock, not once has a bike lane factored into contributing in any way other than maybe insignificantly and trivially to your travels through and to, the motor vehicle apocalypse.
Bloor, University and Yonge St bike lanes have zero fuck all to with your motor vehicle travels into hell.
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It's an argument that makes sense. Unlike yours for keeping bike lanes. I have no issues with raised bike paths as long as they don't rip out existing roads for them.
The less cars on the road, the better for you, Dirk, Mandrill and all other road users and residents of the GTA.
Traffic evaporation:
Seoul, South Korea. 80% of motor vehicle traffic disappeared after the Cheonggyecheon Expressway was demolished,
Other cities report between 20 - 25% drop in motor vehicle traffic after road lanes are removed.
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What this shows is you don't know Toronto and don't know the difference bike lanes make for driving speed.
You don't live here and don't know.
Why should your views count?
The population of Toronto is 3M. Half is 1.5M. GTA is 7M. And even if people don't own a car, they get to places by car via car pools or ride shares or taxis.
Do you think that serving 1M people at the expense of 6M car owners makes sense or will even have much of an impact?
The problem from day 1 has been the idiocy of all of our previous councils/mayors in not focussing on giving us a proper subway system. What we have is Mickey Mouse. Let's study this, let's table that etc. etc. then a new mayor comes in and they start all over again. City of Montreal is 1.7M and metro Montreal is 4.5M and I wouldn't be surprised if they had double or even triple the miles of track than we do. Who wants to stand outside in the snow, rain, heat, cold waiting for so-called rapid transit when underground is so much more comfortable. Comfort and convenience which approximates that of a car will get them to change their habits.
Too bad it's kinda late for that now for Toronto. No proposal will work unless it's comfortable and convenient. Bikes provide neither and cater to probably less than 5% of GTA population.
Toronto and Ontario and even the Feds need to suck it up and do some ma$$ive digging to free up our roadways. We are Canada's economic hub.
What does any of the above have to do with the Fraud proposing to remove bike lanes on Bloor, Yonge and University other than employing it as a cynical culture war tactic in his soon to be upcoming unlegislated, unneeded, unwanted, unwarranted and utterly wasteful $3.4billion early election?
Zero fuck all.
As if removing a bike lane or two will alleviate in any way, shape and form what you described in your post.
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Have you ever been to those countries. See how well they are developed and their public transportation system. Plus the auto industry is part of our economy and employs many people.
The only infrastructure we have in the GTA is skyscrapers built right to the edge of the sidewalk.
We're talking about bike lanes in particular as it relates to traffic in Toronto. I'm talking about traffic in Toronto as a whole and I addressed bike lanes by saying they will not help the problem because Torontonians will only accept, en mass, a solution that is comfortable and convenient, and bikes are neither.
Chill out dude. Take a valium.
Good one.
But I said that we need to dig and skyscrapers go in the opposite direction. They're "upfastructure".
So your answer to the problem of not enough transit is to block another alternate that takes less space on the roads than cars?
A reminder that this is about DoFo trying to cut bike lanes on Yonge and Bloor, both of which are heavily used and both of which have never had 2 lanes of traffic continually.
I guess we'll have to wait and see who's right when the cost of taking the bike lanes out is tallied up.
Which east/west route is faster by what, car or bike? You didn't specify.
Like I said to Frankie, I guess we'll see who was right as to the cost once the bike lanes are removed.
I was out running errands throughout the downtown core both yesterday and today. I drove my car, as cycling wasn't practical and many of the roads I took had bike lanes. Since this thread has been on my mind, I was paying attention to the number of cyclists riding around. It was cool, above freezing and also dry both days.
What I noticed was just how few people were out cycling. On top of that, the vast majority of them were food delivery bikes. I would imagine the number of cyclists will continue to decline over the winter months, until things start to warm back up in the spring.
The good news is, just about every bikeshare station was completely full. Which confirms my observation, of just how few were cycling the past couple days.
What I noticed was just how few people were out cycling. On top of that, the vast majority of them were food delivery bikes. I would imagine the number of cyclists will continue to decline over the winter months, until things start to warm back up in the spring.
The good news is, just about every bikeshare station was completely full. Which confirms my observation, of just how few were cycling the past couple days.
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I stated my answer in the earlier post. Go back and read it.
BTW, you said that you don't like when people speak on your behalf. You should stop being a hypocrite who incessantly does that very thing to other people.
College and Dundas are about the same for driving, with Dundas more often being slower despite no bike lanes.
Its not bike lanes.
I read your post, you argued that lack of transit is the problem.
I responded to that argument.
