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FBI started investigation because Papadopoulous said the Russians had dirt

Frankfooter

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Copies will not cut it in a court of law. It's called chain of evidence. Only the FBI can collect this evidence.

It's useless.
That's your opinion, which I think is wrong. Copies of a drive carried out by a reputable third party will be exact duplicates.
But we won't know for sure until the trials, so you'll have to wait until then.
 

Butler1000

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That's your opinion, which I think is wrong. Copies of a drive carried out by a reputable third party will be exact duplicates.
But we won't know for sure until the trials, so you'll have to wait until then.
The courts will agree with me if it gets that far.

Here is the deal. If the DNC hack had evidence that could be used to initiate charges it would have resulted in them already.

Or if anything admisssable was in there it would have been used.

Quite simply you are wrong.
 

Anbarandy

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The courts will agree with me if it gets that far.

Here is the deal. If the DNC hack had evidence that could be used to initiate charges it would have resulted in them already.

Or if anything admisssable was in there it would have been used.

Quite simply you are wrong.
Plenty of evidence is already there irrespective of the Russia dossier which has already produced 2 guilty pleas from Papadopoulos and Flynn in exchange for turning state's evidence against higher ups, even possibly leading to Trump himself. Also this evidence has produces indictments against Manafort and Gates which could also lead to them turning state's evidence.

So to falsely claim that 'it is about the dossier stupid' is to blindly parrot the Fake False News media outlets squawking in unison with Trump and his Republican in their echo chamber in an attempt to discredit the FBI and the Muelller investigation and to divert the evidence and attention away and muddy the waters with waves of Fake News.

Butler, you have ceased to even attempt to provide a facade of being rational, unbiased and credible.

As with Trump, the WH, the Republicans and their Fake False News media outlets, you and they are nothing but so desperate to prevent the truth and evidence to be publicly known.

Mueller already knows and will know much, much more than than you, Trump, the WH, the Reps and their Fake False News Media outlets believe he knows.

Mueller is running a tight, tight, unbiased and credible investigation. He is staying mum, not saying a word to anyone. Any leaks are coming from Republicans on the congressional committees and from defence lawyers of the Republicans subjects and witnesses of their investigations.
 

Frankfooter

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Here is the deal. If the DNC hack had evidence that could be used to initiate charges it would have resulted in them already.
Here's the real deal.

The DNC evidence is in play with the FBI investigation into collusion/conspiracy between Trump's team and Russian hackers to change the outcome of the election.
2 Trump team members have plead guilty, 2 more are under charges and the investigation continues.

Quite simply it is you who is wrong.
 

Butler1000

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Man are you kides going to be disappointed.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Man are you kids going to be disappointed
Wait till Trump gets re-elected in 2020 (which if the economy keeps up he will).
Then you're gonna see real sparks fly. It wouldnt surprise if some Left-wing lunatic tried to assassinate him
 

Frankfooter

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Christ man, anybody couldve written those.

You really do believe everything you read on internet, dont you??
Christopher Steele wrote that dossier and those are the same documents that the FBI took to President Obama and despot elect, Trump.
You really should read them and find out why the FBI took them that seriously.

Chances are they know a little more about the subjects then you do....
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Christopher Steele wrote that dossier and those are the same documents that the FBI took to President Obama and despot elect, Trump.
You really should read them and find out why the FBI took them that seriously.

Chances are they know a little more about the subjects then you do....
Wake me up when Trump is finally impeached, sweetheart
 

shack

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Man are you kides going to be disappointed.
What information do you have? Not issuing a statement one way or the other by Mueller does not constitute proof/information.

Please provide links.
 

Aardvark154

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You really should read them and find out why the FBI took them that seriously.
The Director of the FBI testified before Congress that they didn't take them seriously, but that they wanted the President (then the President Elect) to know what was being talked about out there.
 

Butler1000

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What information do you have? Not issuing a statement one way or the other by Mueller does not constitute proof/information.

Please provide links.
The basis for this statement is guilty until proven innocent.

I prefer the usual way for a legal system to function.
 

bver_hunter

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Wait till Trump gets re-elected in 2020 (which if the economy keeps up he will).
Then you're gonna see real sparks fly. It wouldnt surprise if some Left-wing lunatic tried to assassinate him
Most probably he will be assassinated by an alt right nutcase when he realizes that Trump is the swamp and his tax policy will only benefit Trump and his cohorts, besides the swamp
 

bver_hunter

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I know that this is like whipping a dead horse. The right wing media are only trying to pick at straws as regards the Mueller investigation. They should put it on "ignore" and wait for the final outcome, as they have zero facts about anything other than the constant rants from Trumpty Dumpty about "no Collusion with the Russians.". After all Mueller is a life time Republican that was nominated and approved by the Republicans and not the Democrats. We already have had 4 indictments and convictions. This is not what the right wing predicted, so they will get it wrong once again.
 

shack

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The basis for this statement is guilty until proven innocent.

I prefer the usual way for a legal system to function.
This is not a court of law and as I said Mueller not having released a final statement of findings IS NOT PROOF OF INNOCENCE.

I know you are not stupid and you understand this yet you and your fellow cultists keep giving this stupid answer. And it is stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid........
 

Frankfooter

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The Director of the FBI testified before Congress that they didn't take them seriously, but that they wanted the President (then the President Elect) to know what was being talked about out there.
Sure, and he only brought in Christopher Steele for an interview because he thought he knew some cool card tricks.
You Trumpkins sure are easy to fool.
 

Aardvark154

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Sure, and he only brought in Christopher Steele for an interview because he thought he knew some cool card tricks.
You Trumpkins sure are easy to fool.
So you are accusing the Director of the FBI of having lied under oath before Congress. Gee that sounds like the sort of allegation you accuse everyone who disagrees with you of making.

Also interesting is how you apparently believe that anyone who disagrees with your comments, must perforce agree with and support the President.
 

Butler1000

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Sure, and he only brought in Christopher Steele for an interview because he thought he knew some cool card tricks.
You Trumpkins sure are easy to fool.
Steele wasnt brought in. He agreed to an interview overseas.

Steele btw refused to come to the usa. Refuses to speak before Congress. Refuses to considering the circumstances of his little talk even be on the record.

And the only way the dossier is ever admitted as evidence is if he agrees to testify and be cross examined. And in doing so will have to release the sources of the material to prove they are valid.

And that is not going to happen. When he was outed he went on the lam with his family. Do you really think he will risk his life against Putin if the info is real?

It will never ever see a day in court or an impeachment hearing.
 

Frankfooter

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Steele wasnt brought in. He agreed to an interview overseas.

Steele btw refused to come to the usa. Refuses to speak before Congress. Refuses to considering the circumstances of his little talk even be on the record.

And the only way the dossier is ever admitted as evidence is if he agrees to testify and be cross examined. And in doing so will have to release the sources of the material to prove they are valid.

And that is not going to happen. When he was outed he went on the lam with his family. Do you really think he will risk his life against Putin if the info is real?

It will never ever see a day in court or an impeachment hearing.
Possibly, we'll see.

Most like the charges from Mueller will be obstruction of justice and conspiracy to commit computer fraud with the Russians over the DNC hacks.
If charges are brought about from piss dossier it will be from separate FBI research anyways, if they find reason to investigate some of the charges in the dossier they'd do their own investigation into the charges, so yes, probably Steele won't actually have to testify.

Happy New Year, by the way.
Hopefully this will be Trump's last as PGOTUS.
 
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