FBI started investigation because Papadopoulous said the Russians had dirt

[IM469]

The collusion of the DNC and Clinton now confirmed by the ex DNC chair was important enough.

But whether the hack was an inside job or not is still not confirmed by competent authority IMO. And probably can't be.

Obviously your opinion has much more credibility than the CIA who found the Russian signatures or the US department of justice: The U.S. Justice Department has gathered enough evidence to charge six members of the Russian government in the hacking of Democratic National Committee computers before the 2016 U.S. presidential election,
Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ssian-officials-in-dnc-hack-wsj-idUSKBN1D21MI

However, they probably haven't seen the evidence your ouija board conjured up - I think it would be helpful to call them.

Not directed to you but FYI anyone thinking in Mueller conspiracy theories : The hacking investigation, conducted by cybersecurity experts, predates the appointment in May of federal special counsel Robert Mueller to oversee the probe of alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election and possible collusion with President Donald Trump’s campaign.

 

[Frankfooter]

Well considering the hack was apparently fully released I agree no charges are coming.

The collusion of the DNC and Clinton now confirmed by the ex DNC chair was important enough.

But whether the hack was an inside job or not is still not confirmed by competent authority IMO. And probably can't be.

And so the hack will not be used for charges. And any evidence supplied by Crowd Strike wont see a court room.

Sure, your competent authority outranks Crowdstrike, the FBI and the 13 other US intel agencies that think the Russians did it.
LOL.

 

[Butler1000]

Obviously your opinion has much more credibility than the CIA who found the Russian signatures or the US department of justice: The U.S. Justice Department has gathered enough evidence to charge six members of the Russian government in the hacking of Democratic National Committee computers before the 2016 U.S. presidential election,
Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ssian-officials-in-dnc-hack-wsj-idUSKBN1D21MI

However, they probably haven't seen the evidence your ouija board conjured up - I think it would be helpful to call them.

Not directed to you but FYI anyone thinking in Mueller conspiracy theories : The hacking investigation, conducted by cybersecurity experts, predates the appointment in May of federal special counsel Robert Mueller to oversee the probe of alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election and possible collusion with President Donald Trump’s campaign.

I'm not trusting of Crowdstrike and the DNC in this. The investigation was flawed because it relied on copies and not the servers themselves.

This were military contractors who had a stake in seeing Clinton in the WH. And continuing antagonism with Russia.

Still haven't heard a valid explanation as to why the DNC reported the hack and refused to allow investigators into the crime scene.

Although we have heard from the FBI agent in charge of the hack investigation and his girlfriend discussing an insurance policy in case Trump got in.

 

[Butler1000]

Sure, your competent authority outranks Crowdstrike, the FBI and the 13 other US intel agencies that think the Russians did it.
LOL.

Private military contractors like Blackwater with ties to the Dems. An FBI agent in charge and now discredited and demoted for partisanship and possibly more. And the other agencies only seeing what Crowdstrike gave them and the now discredited FBI agent in charge confirmed.

They all saw the same information. From one source. A private security company in the pay of the DNC. Which was confirmed at that time to be completely under control of the Clinton Campaign.

Not a good pedigree IMO.

 

[Frankfooter]

Private military contractors like Blackwater with ties to the Dems. An FBI agent in charge and now discredited and demoted for partisanship and possibly more. And the other agencies only seeing what Crowdstrike gave them and the now discredited FBI agent in charge confirmed.

They all saw the same information. From one source. A private security company in the pay of the DNC. Which was confirmed at that time to be completely under control of the Clinton Campaign.

Not a good pedigree IMO.

Its an independent company, respected enough to earn contracts from the pentagon and the DNC, amongst many others.
Its not a military contractor at all.
Check out their clients.
https://www.crowdstrike.com/customers/

 

[Butler1000]

Its an independent company, respected enough to earn contracts from the pentagon and the DNC, amongst many others.
Its not a military contractor at all.
Check out their clients.
https://www.crowdstrike.com/customers/

If they obtained contracts from the military that makes them a military contractor.

Blackwater was also well respected enough to get contracts.

They get them based on who is in office. In this case they are tied to the Dems. That makes them partisan as that's who is paying them.

Refusing to allow the FBI access to the servers after they found out they were hacked is suspicious in the least. Add in Strzok and you have very real doubt as to the veracity of the sole sourced information given to the FBI without proper independent verification.

 

[Frankfooter]

If they obtained contracts from the military that makes them a military contractor.

Blackwater was also well respected enough to get contracts.

They get them based on who is in office. In this case they are tied to the Dems. That makes them partisan as that's who is paying them.

Refusing to allow the FBI access to the servers after they found out they were hacked is suspicious in the least. Add in Strzok and you have very real doubt as to the veracity of the sole sourced information given to the FBI without proper independent verification.

That makes them partisan to the pentagon.
Right?

And it wasn't Crowdstrike's choice about sending a clone of the server drive, that was the DNC's choice.

Even if the Crowdstrike testimony was cut, which is incredibly unlikely, don't you think that the statement from the 14 US intel agencies about the hacks being from Russia would cover it, or that they could supply testimony?

You're really grasping at straws here.

The latest from Fusion GPS:

We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling," they wrote.

"As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp."

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...s-say-they-were-shocked-by-contents-of-steele

 

[Butler1000]

That makes them partisan to the pentagon.
Right?

And it wasn't Crowdstrike's choice about sending a clone of the server drive, that was the DNC's choice.

Even if the Crowdstrike testimony was cut, which is incredibly unlikely, don't you think that the statement from the 14 US intel agencies about the hacks being from Russia would cover it, or that they could supply testimony?

You're really grasping at straws here.

The latest from Fusion GPS:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...s-say-they-were-shocked-by-contents-of-steele

It makes them beholden to the Dems who gave them the contract. There are Dems on the appropriations committees. And a lot of horse trading with both parties to reward their friends.

Exactly about the DNC. They refused to cooperate with the FBI and ordered Crowd Strike to do the same. And it appears had a tame FBI investigator head in Strozok to help facilitate this.

Fusion is not a credible source. Sorry but they were paid by the DNC to use foreign agents to create the Dossier. Anything they say in light of their taking the Fifth is suspect.

They know they did something wrong.

The dossier is bullshit.

 

[Frankfooter]

It makes them beholden to the Dems who gave them the contract.

Bullshit, sir. If crowdstrike faked their findings for any client about security they wouldn't be working.
You think that the DNC hired and told them to 'fix our interwebs and by the way, can you blame the Russians?'
Totally stupid, more so since 14 US intel agencies came to the same conclusions about Russian hacking independently.

Fusion is not a credible source. Sorry but they were paid by the DNC to use foreign agents to create the Dossier. Anything they say in light of their taking the Fifth is suspect.

They know they did something wrong.

The dossier is bullshit.

They were also paid by the right wing media to start the research.
Your claim is stupid, if they were partisan why would both sides hire them?

 

[Butler1000]

Bullshit, sir. If crowdstrike faked their findings for any client about security they wouldn't be working.
You think that the DNC hired and told them to 'fix our interwebs and by the way, can you blame the Russians?'
Totally stupid, more so since 14 US intel agencies came to the same conclusions about Russian hacking independently.



They were also paid by the right wing media to start the research.
Your claim is stupid, if they were partisan why would both sides hire them?

The agencies came to the conclusion that Russia was using the internet to try to affect the election. They could not have all concluded independently that the DNC was hacked because NONE OF THEM WAS ALLOWED TO EXAMINE THE SERVERS.

And I think Crowdstrike faked their findings at the behest of the Dems. Or are dupes of other players within the DNC.

Still no credible reason given to report this as a crime and deny the FBI access to the servers. It's call chain of evidence. And it's been broken.

They are partisan to establishment politicians. There is no difference between Clinton and Bush. Same military industrial paymasters. And the original GOP payers didn't pay to have Steele involved or Russia involved. It was the Dem who through Fusion and Steele who contacted Russian intelligence for dirt and were paid for it by the Clinton Campaign. That is now proven fact.

Still waiting for proof Trump did.......

 

[Frankfooter]

Still waiting for proof Trump did.......

I know that a Trumpkin will never believe the 'fake news' against his favourite orange guy, so how about the words of Bannon?

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon called the 2016 Trump Tower meeting between Trump campaign officials and a Russian lawyer purportedly offering damaging information about Hillary Clinton "treasonous," according to a new book obtained by The Guardian.

The book, "Fire and Fury" by Michael Wolff, is based on hundreds of interviews, including ones with President Donald Trump and his inner circle. According to the Guardian, Bannon told Wolff that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the Trump campaign's potential ties to Russia is centered on money laundering.
Referring to the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, Bannon reportedly told Wolff: "They're going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV."
"The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor -- with no lawyers. They didn't have any lawyers," Bannon continued, according to the Guardian. "Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s***, and I happen to think it's all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately."

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/03/politics/bannon-wolff-fire-and-fury/index.html

I know, its CNN and you'll claim its fake news.
Guess you'll have to buy the book.

 

[Anbarandy]

I know that a Trumpkin will never believe the 'fake news' against his favourite orange guy, so how about the words of Bannon?

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon called the 2016 Trump Tower meeting between Trump campaign officials and a Russian lawyer purportedly offering damaging information about Hillary Clinton "treasonous," according to a new book obtained by The Guardian.

The book, "Fire and Fury" by Michael Wolff, is based on hundreds of interviews, including ones with President Donald Trump and his inner circle. According to the Guardian, Bannon told Wolff that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the Trump campaign's potential ties to Russia is centered on money laundering.
Referring to the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, Bannon reportedly told Wolff: "They're going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV."
"The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor -- with no lawyers. They didn't have any lawyers," Bannon continued, according to the Guardian. "Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s***, and I happen to think it's all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately."

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/03/politics/bannon-wolff-fire-and-fury/index.html

I know, its CNN and you'll claim its fake news.
Guess you'll have to buy the book.

Trump was unaware of the meeting as it happened in plain sight, behind Trump's back even though he was in the building!

Jr. and Jr. in-law didn't say a word to Trump prior, during and after the meeting even though Trump is a micro manager and any public imploring by Trump to Russia to release HRC emails was pure coincidence and well, just the politics of win at all costs.

 

[bver_hunter]

Trump was unaware of the meeting as it happened in plain sight, behind Trump's back even though he was in the building!

Jr. and Jr. in-law didn't say a word to Trump prior, during and after the meeting even though Trump is a micro manager and any public imploring by Trump to Russia to release HRC emails was pure coincidence and well, just the politics of win at all costs.

Bannon reportedly told Wolff: "They're going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV." He also stated that Kushner's money laundering was "GREASY" and would hurt Donald Trump.
I see this as the beginning of the end of the relationship between Breitbart and Fox News, two of Trump's biggest cult media. Unless of course Bannon is now part of MSNBC!!
But seriously, this is the latest saga that explains why the Mueller investigation are taking their time to dot their i's and cross their t's. No doubt Trumpty Dumpty is getting more and more nervous by the day.

 

[Frankfooter]

Bannon reportedly told Wolff: "They're going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV." He also stated that Kushner's money laundering was "GREASY" and would hurt Donald Trump.
I see this as the beginning of the end of the relationship between Breitbart and Fox News, two of Trump's biggest cult media. Unless of course Bannon is now part of MSNBC!!
But seriously, this is the latest saga that explains why the Mueller investigation are taking their time to dot their i's and cross their t's. No doubt Trumpty Dumpty is getting more and more nervous by the day.

Breitbart and Fox aren't the same. Though this might lead to a big split between them.
Which would be good for the planet.

 

[Anbarandy]

Bannon reportedly told Wolff: "They're going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV." He also stated that Kushner's money laundering was "GREASY" and would hurt Donald Trump.
I see this as the beginning of the end of the relationship between Breitbart and Fox News, two of Trump's biggest cult media. Unless of course Bannon is now part of MSNBC!!
But seriously, this is the latest saga that explains why the Mueller investigation are taking their time to dot their i's and cross their t's. No doubt Trumpty Dumpty is getting more and more nervous by the day.

And the Trump, WH, Republican and their Fake False News Media outlets bullet point replies are this:

1) The Russian dossier is fake!

2) "Jail the bitch!"

3) CNN is Fake News

4) The Deep State is full of Clinton appointees out to get the President

5) Mueller is a political hack!

6) Lying James Comey!

7) Benghazi!

8) The Clinton Foundation!

9) Close your eyes. You are getting sleepy, sleepy, sleepy ..... Now repeat after me, "Witch hunt, witch hunt, witch hunt...."

 

[bver_hunter]

Breitbart and Fox aren't the same. Though this might lead to a big split between them.
Which would be good for the planet.

And the beginning of the end of fake news.

 

[bver_hunter]

And the Trump, WH, Republican and their Fake False News Media outlets bullet point replies are this:

1) The Russian dossier is fake!

2) "Jail the bitch!"

3) CNN is Fake News

4) The Deep State is full of Clinton appointees out to get the President

5) Mueller is a political hack!

6) Lying Comey!

7) Benghazi!

8) The Clinton Foundation!

Absolutely!!

 

[bver_hunter]

In addition, the two co-founders of the firm behind the infamous Steele dossier are publicly pushing back against the Republican Party's handling of the investigation into the Trump campaign's potential ties to Russia.
The dossier, which began as an opposition research effort and became publicly known in early 2017, details Russian interference in the 2016 election and includes allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about President Donald Trump. Some of the dossier's most salacious allegations have not been corroborated by the intelligence community or CNN.
Trump and his Republican allies have seized upon the disclosure late last year that law firm Perkins Coie paid Fusion GPS -- which in turn hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele -- for the dossier on behalf of its clients, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, arguing it shows the dossier is a Democratic effort to undermine Trump.
But in a New York Times op-ed titled "The Republicans' Fake Investigations" that was published Tuesday night, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch said they do not believe the dossier triggered the FBI's investigation into Russian meddling into the 2016 election, adding that their "sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump (campaign)."
Simpson and Fritsch called on Congress to release transcripts of their testimony before congressional committees. They also write that Congress has not been interested in their findings or calls for more investigation into Trump's financial interests. Yes, Trump's financial interests jives with Bannon's disclosure about the "greasy" money laundering dealings with Kushner and even Trump himself.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/03/politi...-ed/index.html

 

[Anbarandy]

Donald Trump, a lifetime of avoiding responsibility and accountability. A lifetime of taking the easy road. A lifetime of dubious activities and stiffing others. All in furtherance of a win at all costs mentality.

It doesn't take a leap of logic to conclude that in respect with the 2016 election and the Russian meddling, that Trump would all of sudden take the high road when offered assistance from a foreign government adversary to help him win at any and all costs.

 

[Bud Plug]

It doesn't take a leap of logic to conclude that in respect with the 2016 election and the Russian meddling, that Trump would all of sudden take the high road when offered assistance from a foreign government adversary to help him win at any and all costs.

It does take leaps of logic to understand the legal theory you are advancing. If Russians were offering information about Hillary Clinton, without seeking political promises in return for that information, what is your theory as to how this activity would be illegal?