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Muchadoaboutnothing

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The thing is in the civvy world you know right away if a lady is cool with you approaching or not. That look of talk to me or get away from me is as if it's printed on their forehead. LOL
Not if she’s got Botox :) as someone in one of the other threads suggested that the sps should be getting. It’s affecting how humans read emotions as there are subtle muscle movements all over the face and so when babies try to mirror their mother they don’t know how to and thus struggle
throughout life to know how to read body language and sometimes truly don’t know why
 

Muchadoaboutnothing

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Sadly most creepers or socially awkward people are completely oblivious to those social cues.
This can be sometimes attributed to family dynamic. Do they have a nuclear family ? Siblings? School system? in person socialization from a young age ? Corrective behaviour therapy if needed at one point? Otherwise how else do they know and they become upset when really it’s them but they maybe ignorantly don’t realize this
 

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We now know you aren’t a doctor for sure
Ah but my user name is not a Dcotor. Ha! Never said I didn't have an MD ;)
But alas I don't. However I am the sort of person who could turn up in a woman's prison with a bunch of pardons and still not score so I don't think being a medical doctor or having a doctorate would change much. Although my nerdlyness did get me a one evening stand.
 

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A bit of an update:

1. First I went on a business trip for a few weeks advised by the department manager to lie low for a while.

2. After I came back I observed the person a few weeks to catch any wrongdoing.

3. One day person left workplace to buy food well before the designated break and took 20 minutes, I got it in tape, along with another coworker as witness, my direct supervisor noticed it too.

4. I voiced my concern to management about abuse of company time, and said I would escalate issue to HR if not resolved.

5. Management confronted person, who tried to deny the whole thing, which undermined her credibility.

6. I will use that fact she got caught in a lie to defend myself against the staring allegation if this bullshit comes up again in the future.
 

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A bit of an update:

1. First I went on a business trip for a few weeks advised by the department manager to lie low for a while.

2. After I came back I observed the person a few weeks to catch any wrongdoing.

3. One day person left workplace to buy food well before the designated break and took 20 minutes, I got it in tape, along with another coworker as witness, my direct supervisor noticed it too.

4. I voiced my concern to management about abuse of company time, and said I would escalate issue to HR if not resolved.

5. Management confronted person, who tried to deny the whole thing, which undermined her credibility.

6. I will use that fact she got caught in a lie to defend myself against the staring allegation if this bullshit comes up again in the future.
Dude, give it a rest. You look like a complete dick here. “Person left work before break to buy food and was gone for 20 min”. Your surveillance (and grudge here) is creepy. No wonder she is skeezed out by you. Seriously, read what you just wrote out loud and think of what you’d say to someone else here if they described doing what you are.
 

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Dude, give it a rest. You look like a complete dick here. “Person left work before break to buy food and was gone for 20 min”. Your surveillance (and grudge here) is creepy. No wonder she is skeezed out by you. Seriously, read what you just wrote out loud and think of what you’d say to someone else here if they described doing what you are.
Furthermore, you just proved her assertion that you were staring at her. That plus the fact that your complaint about her is clearly about getting revenge, it could likely fuck you, and not in a good way. Management and HR fucking hates vexatious / petty stuff like this, and it may cost you. You are not only poisoning your working relationship with her, now you are creating a toxic work environment for others as you now will be known as the “narc” who is monitoring people’s break time and other work behaviour. Stop now before you create more pain for yourself. I understand that you feel you’ve been “wronged” (but now you’ve called that into serious question) but you need to be a big boy and put this behind you. Your boss told you to lay low, and you are not.
 

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A bit of an update:

1. First I went on a business trip for a few weeks advised by the department manager to lie low for a while.

2. After I came back I observed the person a few weeks to catch any wrongdoing.

3. One day person left workplace to buy food well before the designated break and took 20 minutes, I got it in tape, along with another coworker as witness, my direct supervisor noticed it too.

4. I voiced my concern to management about abuse of company time, and said I would escalate issue to HR if not resolved.

5. Management confronted person, who tried to deny the whole thing, which undermined her credibility.

6. I will use that fact she got caught in a lie to defend myself against the staring allegation if this bullshit comes up again in the future.
This was the moment that you should have stopped as you have now put everyone on alert. Supervisors don't get did of the problem person, they get rid of the person who brought them the problem. You have now her put her back on notice to keep an eye on you. Good luck.
 

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Dude, give it a rest. You look like a complete dick here. “Person left work before break to buy food and was gone for 20 min”. Your surveillance (and grudge here) is creepy. No wonder she is skeezed out by you. Seriously, read what you just wrote out loud and think of what you’d say to someone else here if they described doing what you are.
Normally I would agree, but nowadays you have to fight fire with fire. It is what it is. We are all equal now. I don't blame Paprika for going on the offensive otherwise he will be playing defense. I understand his reasoning, it's his livelihood after all. Keep fighting the good fight champ!
 

Paprika

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Normally I would agree, but nowadays you have to fight fire with fire. It is what it is. We are all equal now. I don't blame Paprika for going on the offensive otherwise he will be playing defense. I understand his reasoning, it's his livelihood after all. Keep fighting the good fight champ!
Apparently she brought a second person to backup her staring claim, I pretty much figured out who that person is, and there was some beef with the second person a while ago and he just took this opportunity to get me into trouble. I see these two people plotting several times in the kitchen before the alleged accusation. All these people have to do is making the same complaint again, and it's gonna become an HR issue. There is nothing protecting me from further accusation. While I know they have no real evidence, I don't want my name dragged through the mud. And I understand the company doesn't want to spend money on this thing either.

I'm already on my best behavior for 2 months, I don't even heat up my lunch 5 minutes before lunch, never leave 1 minute early, leaving no weakness for others to exploit. At this moment, it's not in my best interest to protect these people from any wrongdoing. This lady had been taking 45 minute to 1 hour breaks every Friday for the last 3 years. She was told to watch her time several times but apparently my supervisor never brought up the issue with department manager probably because he did not want to humiliate her. She was more careful these days but this time she went when my supervisor was at a meeting somewhere else, she thought she was smart.
 

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I mean staring at someone is subjective. I have zoned out a couple of times and gotten a blank stare on my face and have had dudes challenge me to a fight because of it thinking I was staring them down or something.
 

Paprika

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This was the moment that you should have stopped as you have now put everyone on alert. Supervisors don't get did of the problem person, they get rid of the person who brought them the problem. You have now her put her back on notice to keep an eye on you. Good luck.
I get what you're saying, however for me this staring accusation was threat level midnight, it was red alert, it was Cuban missile crisis, my backyard on fire, it's attack imminent. If I were an imaginary enemy before, I'm a real enemy now.

Don't blame me for turning into J Edgar Hoover. This Switzerland neutral shit just doesn't fly when there's a knife at your throat. When an animal is cornered, it will fight.

If I do nothing, just suck it up as if I'm the one at fault, it leaves an impression that I can be fucked with.
 

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I get what you're saying, however for me this staring accusation was threat level midnight, it was red alert, it was Cuban missile crisis, my backyard on fire, it's attack imminent. If I were an imaginary enemy before, I'm a real enemy now.

Don't blame me for turning into J Edgar Hoover. This Switzerland neutral shit just doesn't fly when there's a knife at your throat. When an animal is cornered, it will fight.

If I do nothing, just suck it up as if I'm the one at fault, it leaves an impression that I can be fucked with.
You make your choices as you see fit and live with the consequences. But reading what you’ve posted here, I think you’ve fucked yourself. You look immature and petty and vengeful. What knife is at your throat? Other than the one you are now holding?
 
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Paprika

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You make your choices as you see fit and live with the consequences. But reading what you’ve posted here, I think you’ve fucked yourself. You look immature and petty and vengeful. What knife is at your throat? Other than the one you are now holding?
Thanks for the input but I cannot agree. You are free to express your opinions but you're not walking in my shoes.

I can share one thing with you I learned from past experiences:

This is no due process in a disciplinary hearing, especially when the entire HR team is all women.
 

massman

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Thanks for the input but I cannot agree. You are free to express your opinions but you're not walking in my shoes.

I can share one thing with you I learned from past experiences:

This is no due process in a disciplinary hearing, especially when the entire HR team is all women.
Well, I’ve not been in your shoes, but I supervised someone years ago who was. Someone made a complaint about him, I was altered to it. It was a bit of a he said she said thing, so I sat down with him and got his side, which was somewhat credible, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and went to bat for him, explaining the situation and the people higher up said sounds reasonable, let’s consider the matter closed, but just remind him to be aware of how he interacts with others so such misunderstandings don’t happen again, but it’s all ok. I told him this and he thanked me. Two days later he makes a frivolous complaint against her, and creates a shitstorm. Makes me look like an idiot for trying to smooth things out, he lost ALL of his credibility Re his version of events, and he came within a hair of getting outright fired (why I helped him and probably saved his job I don’t know why, I should have let the idiot fry). The issue was the retaliatory complaint, which was frivolous and petty (like “taking 20 min to get her food” 😭😭). Your issue with her lunch breaks or whatever sounds very immature, and beneath how you should behaving. And, judging by your Cuban missile and Hoover references, you are probably more than old enough to know better. You have just labeled yourself as a pain in the ass and a troublemaker, and like I said, probably in the minds of many involved, incriminated yourself about the initial accusation, which could have been labeled a misunderstanding and swept under the rug. I hope I’m wrong, but I think you have handled this very poorly and you should prepare for the worst.

You should let your hurt feelings and desire for vengeance go, and just get back to doing your own job, and not put your nose in others’.
 
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Paprika

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Well, I’ve not been in your shoes, but I supervised someone years ago who was. Someone made a complaint about him, I was altered to it. It was a bit of a he said she said thing, so I sat down with him and got his side, which was somewhat credible, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and went to bat for him, explaining the situation and the people higher up said sounds reasonable, let’s consider the matter closed. I told him this and he thanked me. Two days later he makes a complaint against her, and creates a shitstorm. Makes me look like an idiot for trying to smooth things out, and he came within a hair of getting outright fired (why I helped him and probably saved his job I don’t know why, I should have let the idiot fry). The issue was the retaliatory complaint, which was frivolous and petty (like “taking 20 min to get her food” 😭😭). Your issue with her lunch breaks or whatever sounds very immature, and beneath how you should behaving, and judging by your Cuban missile and Hoover references, you are probably more than old enough to know better. You have just labeled yourself as a pain in the ass and a troublemaker, and like I said, probably in the minds of many involved, incriminated yourself about the initial accusation, which could have been labeled a misunderstanding and swept under the rug. I hope I’m wrong, but I think you have handled this very poorly and you should prepare for the worst.
You give a good example but there are some key differences between your story and mine.

1. The harassment allegation is very serious and it's a hot potato issue that nobody knows how to deal with, including my current management team.

2. The matter is not considered closed. Another complaint of the same nature would land me with HR.

3. There is not one person but two people involved, in which one is backing up what the other person is saying, which might tip the scale in an investigation.

4. I refuse to communicate with the person due to the allegation in any way. Things are not normal.

5. The only thing I can do is to document my whereabouts, or anything strange about the other person.

6. The lunch break issue is not petty, we were all told to manage our time, yet this person takes long breaks, which lows morale of the workplace and creates a double standard.

7. There is no misunderstanding, there person previously made a complaint to the department manager about me not respecting her previous work experience, I did some investigation about her work experience and found out she lied on her resume.

So my strategy is simply to undermine the person's credibility. I already found out she has social anxiety disorder, so she's basically a compulsive liar.
 

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I mean staring at someone is subjective. I have zoned out a couple of times and gotten a blank stare on my face and have had dudes challenge me to a fight because of it thinking I was staring them down or something.
Today my co-worker fell asleep in front of me while I speaking to him, I saw his eyes closing and closing more in one minute. Then I woke him up and asked him if he was okay when I gave him CPR. He stayed awake the rest of the day.

Apparently she brought a second person to backup her staring claim, I pretty much figured out who that person is, and there was some beef with the second person a while ago and

I'm already on my best behavior for 2 months, I don't even heat up my lunch 5 minutes before lunch, never leave 1 minute early, leaving no weakness for others to exploit. At this
Yeah that guy is a Simp and hates you. Man up.
2 months good behaviour? what you work in a jail like the rest of us? you been there more than 10 years and now you decide to behave for two months. Man up.

Watch or read a book on Sigma men.
 
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