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dvous11

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It's so funny seeing this because it's like OMG YOU WERE SO CLOSE!!!

Unwanted attention and repeated attempts at forcing that unwanted attention on someone is harassment :)

Just like you do not have to find someone attractive, neither do we, and the problem is men are the ones most often forcing their attention on someone who doesn't want it. Boo hoo, not every woman has to entertain your nonsense my guy.
I think most hetero men would agree this photo depiction is accurate AF :)
 

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Can you imagine the uproar, if gay men hit on heterosexual men the way that heterosexual men hit on heterosexual women? I see law being changed, I see protest happening, I see a huge uproar, if gay men treated heterosexual men the same way that they treat us women
I see your point, and I some sense you are right, but the dynamic of unwanted attention to a man from a gay man is different than that from a man to a woman (as I’m sure you are aware). I’ve been hit on more than once by gay dudes, and it never crossed my mind that unwanted attention could lead to threats to my safety. I just simply ignored it, or politely said “sorry, no offence but I’m not interested” then went about my day, forgetting about it.
 

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I used to get hit on by gay dudes at work a lot when I was younger.
I had a very simple response that always worked:
“If you wanna be my friend cool let’s be friends…if you wanna be gay, go be gay somewhere else.”
No one ever had to call HR and we all got along just fine.
Imagine thinking someone cannot be your friend and gay at the same time, but also given how many gay men use to be closeted in Canada and this is a "back in my day" story, I call bullshit.
 

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I think most hetero men would agree this photo depiction is accurate AF :)
It is accurate, the way it is interpreted is what I am drawing attention to. Some men interpret it as women only want attention from men they are attracted to and this is bad and unfair to the men they are not attracted to. I interpret it as women only want attention from men they are attracted to, and this is human nature, but the men they are not attracted to feel like they are entitled to still harass her anyway.
 

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Imagine thinking someone cannot be your friend and gay at the same time, but also given how many gay men use to be closeted in Canada and this is a "back in my day" story, I call bullshit.
You can call whatever you like doesn’t mean you’re accurate. You have a social justice warrior perspective on this…it just meant I’m not gay stop hitting on me and we are cool.
 

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Can you imagine the uproar, if gay men hit on heterosexual men the way that heterosexual men hit on heterosexual women? I see law being changed, I see protest happening, I see a huge uproar, if gay men treated heterosexual men the same way that they treat us women
I say this all the time, homophobic men are in part worried that gay men will treat them the way that straight men treat women. Why are straight men allowed to tell gay men to kick rocks, AGGRESSIVELY, but the second we tell these men we are not interested even in the kindest way, we are a bitch, a cunt, fat, a whore etc etc etc if we say it in the way that they say it to gay men, we are literally putting ourselves in danger. So because women are scared of turning down men, as we have all experienced aggression when doing this, we take their repeated attempts at hitting on us at work, even though we've maneuvered around it or durned it down, as a sign that things might escalate and it makes us uncomfortable, but how dare we feel like that, it doesn't matter that we have these lived experiences, because now the unwanted men can't harass us lamo
 
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You can call whatever you like doesn’t mean you’re accurate. You have a social justice warrior perspective on this…it just meant I’m not gay stop hitting on me and we are cool.
I can't take anyone serious who thinks social justice is a bad thing, imagine telling everyone you do not think people should be treat in a just way lol ok boomer
 

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Hating women is something I have a hard time getting my head around but definitely exists. I can see being angry with an individual woman as you can be with a man but to just be angry with all women is so counterproductive if you are a heterosexual and want some action.
It's really fucking common, though.
I like to think less so than when I was a kid, but it feels like it is a lot more common than when I was in my 20s/30s.

There are men who just channel that frustration into the whole category.
 

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I'm not a slut, I'm a good girl who takes the cock 😤
I had a FWB who had a similar line.
She absolutely hated being called a slut or anything like that.
It wasn't her kink. She was good girl who loved taking cock.
 
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I had a FWB who had a similar line.
She absolutely hated being called a slut or anything like that.
It wasn't her kink. She was good girl who loved taking cock.
There is an extreme level of trust that I have to have with someone to feel comfortable being degraded. I have to have a very strongly grounded belief that you care for me and completely respect me as a person and that this is a role play and you don't actually think those things of me. So like if my partner asked to call me a slut in bed, and yes he would ask first, it would not bother me because I know how much he cares for me and admires who I am as a person. But I also know him well enough to know he would get no enjoyment out of degrading me, we have very similar interests in the bedroom which obviously is a great thing.

But when clients try that shit without asking, you've just ruined the whole session for yourself because my demeanor will change as now I'm not sure if you actually think I'm a whore or a slut and if you thinking that means you might try to hurt me 🤷🏽‍♀️
 
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There is an extreme level of trust that I have to have with someone to feel comfortable being degraded.
Same.
I never could wrap my head around it at all until I was friends with someone who really had a solid degradation and humiliation kink.
Listening to her talk about it made it a bit more understandable in how it worked for her.
I can get into it in some playful scenarios, where the idea of it is played with but it isn't about actually being degraded or humiliated, but even that needs lots of trust to work.

I have to have a very strongly grounded belief that you care for me and completely respect me as a person and that this is a role play and you don't actually think those things of me. So like if my partner asked to call me a slut in bed, and yes he would ask first, it would not bother me because I know how much he cares for me and admires who I am as a person. But I also know him well enough to know he would get no enjoyment out of degrading me, we have very similar interests in the bedroom which obviously is a great thing.
For me there is also a version of using slut (or similar) that isn't about degradation at all, but about a sort of transgressive naughtiness and taboo breaking.
That's a very different vibe than degradation dirty talk, even if sometimes you're overlapping with the same vocabulary.

But when clients try that shit without asking, you've just ruined the whole session for yourself because my demeanor will change as now I'm not sure if you actually think I'm a whore or a slut and if you thinking that means you might try to hurt me 🤷🏽‍♀️
Exactly.
All this is EXTREMELY dependent on context, connection, communication and knowing what the fuck the layers of text and subtext are and what's really going on.
 
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For me there is also a version of using slut (or similar) that isn't about degradation at all, but about a sort of transgressive naughtiness and taboo breaking.
That's a very different vibe than degradation dirty talk, even if sometimes you're overlapping with the same vocabulary.
Yes, obviously there's a different between like if he said something along the lines of me being his slut instead "you're a slut", the former depending on tone, consent and all that jazz could be a praise, the latter just feels degrading to me no matter how you say it.


Exactly.
All this is EXTREMELY dependent on context, connection, communication and knowing what the fuck the layers of text and subtext are and what's really going on.
I really wish some clients understood this a little more, so many otherwise great appointments ruined by pushing a degradation or worse, incest, kink on me without asking. For the love of GOD do not call a woman mommy without permission and a discussion of what that means for you 🤢
 

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Hating women is something I have a hard time getting my head around but definitely exists. I can see being angry with an individual woman as you can be with a man but to just be angry with all women is so counterproductive if you are a heterosexual and want some action.
Hence why it’s dangerous for the sps who get the ones going through these bad divorces or times of life or suppressed rage and hate for women.…
 

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I see your point, and I some sense you are right, but the dynamic of unwanted attention to a man from a gay man is different than that from a man to a woman (as I’m sure you are aware). I’ve been hit on more than once by gay dudes, and it never crossed my mind that unwanted attention could lead to threats to my safety. I just simply ignored it, or politely said “sorry, no offence but I’m not interested” then went about my day, forgetting about it.
probably due to strength and size or stature and general hormonal makeup
 

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Yes this, have seen it played out numerous times, and certainly being aware of how you are perceived goes a long way to navagating the office minefield.
The thing is in the civvy world you know right away if a lady is cool with you approaching or not. That look of talk to me or get away from me is as if it's printed on their forehead. LOL
 
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The thing is in the civvy world you know right away if a lady is cool with you approaching or not. That look of talk to me or get away from me is as if it's printed on their forehead. LOL
Sadly most creepers or socially awkward people are completely oblivious to those social cues.
 
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The thing is in the civvy world you know right away if a lady is cool with you approaching or not. That look of talk to me or get away from me is as if it's printed on their forehead. LOL
For me the get away from me is pretty much tattooed on all female foreheads at birth.

[Exceptions yadda yadda, I'll ruin the joke by being Lois Griffin's meatloaf... shallow and pendantic]
 
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