EV revolution

[Insidious Von]

Scientists have been looking at ways to make EV's more efficient and safer. Is this the ticket?

If so will Elon Musk suppress it?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/sc...on-batteries/?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

 

[seanzo]

Scientists have been looking at ways to make EV's more efficient and safer. Is this the ticket?

If so will Elon Musk suppress it?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/sc...on-batteries/?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

Is it the ticket? Perhaps, but as with every other innovation that was supposed to dethrone lithium it comes down to manufacturing costs being too high for mass production. Assuming it is the case that proton batteries are the replacement, why on earth would Elon want to suppress it?

 

[HungSowel]

What China produces now is good enough. CATL sells LFP batteries with ~200wh/kg energy density @ ~$50USD/kwh, 20k charge cycles (50 years of life if you fully charge and discharge once a day), with good cold and hot weather performace.

EVs in China are already using them, large battery storage projects in the US are using them, I read that next year Tesla will start using them.

The lead that the west has with semi conductor manufacturing, China has with battery manufacturing.

The limitation now for EVs in Canada and the US is cost due to tarrifs on Chinese EVs and charging infrastructure.

 

[Ahri]

Is it true that EVs really lose that much range on the winter?

that was the only reason that stopped from getting an EV

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Is it true that EVs really lose that much range on the winter?

that was the only reason that stopped from getting an EV

Yes cold weather will expend battery much faster.
They can lose between 10 to 30% range in cold weather.
However some say on the internet they have gotten even lower ranges from Teslas in cold weather.
Like less than 50%.
I believe them over the con man Elon Musk and his stats. lol.

 

[seanzo]

Yes cold weather will expend battery much faster.
They can lose between 10 to 30% range in cold weather.
However some say on the internet they have gotten even lower ranges from Teslas in cold weather.
Like less than 50%.
I believe them over the con man Elon Musk and his stats. lol.

Right because every other car manufacturer out there is going to be 100% open and transparent about how cold weather effects their EVs, telling only the truth and never stretching it to its breaking point. Only the bad spaceship man does such dastardly things

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Right because every other car manufacturer out there is going to be 100% open and transparent about how cold weather effects their EVs, telling only the truth and never stretching it to its breaking point. Only the bad spaceship man does such dastardly things

Yes, they are all con men.
Musk is just a little extra.

 

[Forzafonz]

Is it true that EVs really lose that much range on the winter?

that was the only reason that stopped from getting an EV

Unfortunately, true. However, if you commute to work by car and don't need more than 70km of range you could have gotten PHEV. Cheaper, range is not an issue, still qualify for 5000 rebate. Cons: no insurance discount for EV, slower than EVs.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Is it true that EVs really lose that much range on the winter?

that was the only reason that stopped from getting an EV

Yes it's true. During the very cold winter months you loose about a third of battery range.
Going through my third winter now with my EV but still will never go back to any ICE vehicles.

Base this on the fact I used to pay ~$150 a month for gasoline on my last ICE vehicle.
Now I pay ~$36 a month for electricity instead for the same miles! Quite a savings every month.
Electric rates are cheap in WNY when compared to how Big Oil rips people off all the time now!

Still save quite a bit even in the cold winter months in spite of losing about a third of the battery range.
Plus you never have any oil changes and worries about anti-freeze changes.
Never have to pump gas in the cold winters or rain anymore, since practically all charging is done in the garage overnight.

 

[Indiana]

My Tesla stock has done well recently.

 

[jalimon]

Do you guys rent or buy your EV?

 

[LTO_3]

Yes it's true. During the very cold winter months you loose about a third of battery range.
Going through my third winter now with my EV but still will never go back to any ICE vehicles.

Base this on the fact I used to pay ~$150 a month for gasoline on my last ICE vehicle.
Now I pay ~$36 a month for electricity instead for the same miles! Quite a savings every month.
Electric rates are cheap in WNY when compared to how Big Oil rips people off all the time now!

Still save quite a bit even in the cold winter months in spite of losing about a third of the battery range.
Plus you never have any oil changes and worries about anti-freeze changes.
Never have to pump gas in the cold winters or rain anymore, since practically all charging is done in the garage overnight.

I want to hear how much you'll love your EV when you have to replace the battery since most EV batteries won't last much beyond 10 years in Canada. That's the major reason I won't consider an EV.

LTO_3

 

[jalimon]

I want to hear how much you'll love your EV when you have to replace the battery since most EV batteries won't last much beyond 10 years in Canada. That's the major reason I won't consider an EV.

LTO_3

exactly why I ask if ppl rent it instead of buying.

 

[WoodPeckr]

I want to hear how much you'll love your EV when you have to replace the battery since most EV batteries won't last much beyond 10 years in Canada. That's the major reason I won't consider an EV.

LTO_3

I lease mine so no worries about battery replacement.
Leases are very good still so will continue leasing. Besides I always liked new vehicles, which in this case comes with the latest battery upgrades.

Batteries are relatively new and evolving and just getting better.
Check out the Battery University site for tips on extending EV battery life.
Battery life is shortened by both taking them down to O%, which is difficult to do. Or taking them up to 100% on full charge all the time.
Battery University, https://batteryuniversity.com/articles, has charging graphs that show some charging cycles can make all EV batteries last over 20 years! The battery in this case will most likely last longer than the vehicle itself.

 

[Doug]

I want to hear how much you'll love your EV when you have to replace the battery since most EV batteries won't last much beyond 10 years in Canada. That's the major reason I won't consider an EV.

LTO_3

LTO, you know me, so you know that I will give it to you straight. Those of us who own EVs know the truth, others only know rumours. That junk you hear about battery replacement is just nonsense, less than 2% of all EVs ever built have needed batteries replaced, and that is on a field of approaching 20 million vehicles. Many are over 500k km with original batteries with not a major loss of range. Ours, almost ten years old at 265k km has lost merely 5% range and saves us over $500 per month on fuel costs. So far we have not burned 22k litres of gasoline, so imagine how much carbon tax we have not spent.

On the matter of cost of replacing a battery sometime, it is now about the same cost as replacing an engine with a new engine on a good vehicle, and getting less each year. We might replace the battery should it fail in the next decade, or just replace the car with something more up-to-date, as the variety of models increases each year, as does the range. When we purchased ours there wasn't much variety, now there are fifty or more models to choose from.

 

[LTO_3]

LTO, you know me, so you know that I will give it to you straight. Those of us who own EVs know the truth, others only know rumours. That junk you hear about battery replacement is just nonsense, less than 2% of all EVs ever built have needed batteries replaced, and that is on a field of approaching 20 million vehicles. Many are over 500k km with original batteries with not a major loss of range. Ours, almost ten years old at 265k km has lost merely 5% range and saves us over $500 per month on fuel costs. So far we have not burned 22k litres of gasoline, so imagine how much carbon tax we have not spent.

On the matter of cost of replacing a battery sometime, it is now about the same cost as replacing an engine with a new engine on a good vehicle, and getting less each year. We might replace the battery should it fail in the next decade, or just replace the car with something more up-to-date, as the variety of models increases each year, as does the range. When we purchased ours there wasn't much variety, now there are fifty or more models to choose from.

Thanks & appreciate your FYI but I'm a bit skeptical/cynical about battery life among a few other things regarding EVs.

LTO_3

 

[shakenbake]

Yes cold weather will expend battery much faster.
They can lose between 10 to 30% range in cold weather.
However some say on the internet they have gotten even lower ranges from Teslas in cold weather.
Like less than 50%.
I believe them over the con man Elon Musk and his stats. lol.

It is all dependent on the temperature effect described by the Nernst equation and ohmic losses due to thermal effects. R&D addressing and attempting to mitigate these effects is necessary.

 

[oil&gas]

EV is great to own together with an ICE car. If you have
extra space in your garage or own a second parking
spot in your condo to keep an EV as a spare vehicle to
use for virtue-signalling of commiment to carbon emission
reduction neither charging or range would be an issue.

 

[GameBoy27]

LTO, you know me, so you know that I will give it to you straight. Those of us who own EVs know the truth, others only know rumours. That junk you hear about battery replacement is just nonsense, less than 2% of all EVs ever built have needed batteries replaced, and that is on a field of approaching 20 million vehicles. Many are over 500k km with original batteries with not a major loss of range. Ours, almost ten years old at 265k km has lost merely 5% range and saves us over $500 per month on fuel costs. So far we have not burned 22k litres of gasoline, so imagine how much carbon tax we have not spent.

On the matter of cost of replacing a battery sometime, it is now about the same cost as replacing an engine with a new engine on a good vehicle, and getting less each year. We might replace the battery should it fail in the next decade, or just replace the car with something more up-to-date, as the variety of models increases each year, as does the range. When we purchased ours there wasn't much variety, now there are fifty or more models to choose from.

Don't forget to factor in the initial cost of your EV and the depreciation. Seems as though many EV owners fail to mention that stuff. It's always, "look how much I save on gas."

 

[Doug]

Don't forget to factor in the initial cost of your EV and the depreciation. Seems as though many EV owners fail to mention that stuff. It's always, "look how much I save on gas."

Good points. For me, at my age, depreciation is not a major factor, plus I bought a used EV which allowed someone else to provide the depreciation ahead of my purchase.