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GameBoy27

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I wonder how much longer before Ferrari and Lambo stop building hybrids.
Maybe when F1 cars are no longer hybrids?

P.S. I'm liking the chatter about F1 switching back to a normally aspirated V10s.
 
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Maybe when F1 cars are no longer hybrids?
Hybrids are in F1 because that's their regulations. All F1 engine suppliers have to follow these rules. It's a way to make racing more fair as opposed to the old days when it was solely based on displacement.
Oh by the way, Lambo isn't involved in F1.
 

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Hybrids are in F1 because that's their regulations. All F1 engine suppliers have to follow these rules. It's a way to make racing more fair as opposed to the old days when it was solely based on displacement.
Oh by the way, Lambo isn't involved in F1.
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. I know Lambo isn't involved in F1. Lambo is fully owned by the Volkswagen Group, through it's Audi subsidiary. Audi is entering a car in 2026.
 

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Yes it's true. During the very cold winter months you loose about a third of battery range.
Going through my third winter now with my EV but still will never go back to any ICE vehicles.

Base this on the fact I used to pay ~$150 a month for gasoline on my last ICE vehicle.
Now I pay ~$36 a month for electricity instead for the same miles! Quite a savings every month.
Electric rates are cheap in WNY when compared to how Big Oil rips people off all the time now!

Still save quite a bit even in the cold winter months in spite of losing about a third of the battery range.
Plus you never have any oil changes and worries about anti-freeze changes.
Never have to pump gas in the cold winters or rain anymore, since practically all charging is done in the garage overnight.
You'll just have to buy a new car every 10 years, when the battery dies.
 
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You'll just have to buy a new car every 10 years, when the battery dies.
LOL....have never kept a vehicle that long so that is a non issue.
I always liked new cars. My last 6 have been 3 yr leases, since leasing rates have been quite attractive. So will probably lease another EV when present lease expires later this year. Right now in WNY EV leases offered are lower than my present lease, as they should since EVs have ~⅓ less parts than ICE vehicles!

That said batteries are only getting better and their prices are dropping, as was expected.

In addition studies on present EV battery maintenance shows, that proper charging if followed which is easy to do, will make even present EV batteries last longer that the vehicle itself! Some have lasted 10 yrs+. Some batteries are lasting 20 yrs!

New study reveals the least expensive car to operate: 'We are never going back to ICE'
 
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LOL....have never kept a vehicle that long so that is a non issue.
I always liked cars. My last 6 have been 3 yr leases, since leasing rates have been quite attractive. So will probably lease another EV when present lease expires later this year. Right now in WNY EV leases offered are lower than my present lease, as they should since EVs have ~⅓ less parts than ICE vehicles!

That said batteries are only getting better and their prices are dropping, as was expected.

In addition studies on present EV battery maintenance shows, that proper charging if followed which is easy to do, will make even present EV batteries last longer that the vehicle itself! Some have lasted 10 yrs+. Some batteries are lasting 20 yrs!
Whatever works best for you. But typically, (in Canada) EVs cost more to lease than ICE vehicles. On average, EVs also cost more to insure.

The problem with EVs is range in the winter and the fact that many residents don't have a place to charge them at night. Whether they only have street parking or live in an apartment/condo. Which makes Trudeau's 2035 EV mandate nothing short of idiotic. Especially in a country as large and cold as Canada.
 

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Whatever works best for you. But typically, (in Canada) EVs cost more to lease than ICE vehicles. On average, EVs also cost more to insure.

The problem with EVs is range in the winter and the fact that many residents don't have a place to charge them at night. Whether they only have street parking or live in an apartment/condo. Which makes Trudeau's 2035 EV mandate nothing short of idiotic. Especially in a country as large and cold as Canada.
True Tesla, et al, are ranked luxury and cost more to insure. My domestic EV has actually a lower insurance rate.

Yes it gets cold in the GWN which significantly lowers battery range in winter. Luckily I have a garage to charge in which helps greatly. Having to charge outside in the winter is even worse.
 
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LOL....have never kept a vehicle that long so that is a non issue.
I always liked cars. My last 6 have been 3 yr leases, since leasing rates have been quite attractive. So will probably lease another EV when present lease expires later this year. Right now in WNY EV leases offered are lower than my present lease, as they should since EVs have ~⅓ less parts than ICE vehicles!

That said batteries are only getting better and their prices are dropping, as was expected.

In addition studies on present EV battery maintenance shows, that proper charging if followed which is easy to do, will make even present EV batteries last longer that the vehicle itself! Some have lasted 10 yrs+. Some batteries are lasting 20 yrs!

New study reveals the least expensive car to operate: 'We are never going back to ICE'
Many people keep cars for well over 10 years. There's a huge market for used cars because most people can't afford or don't want to buy a new car. Do you have a link to a used EV car dealer, by any chance?
 

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True Tesla, et al, are ranked luxury and cost more to insure. My domestic EV has actually a lower insurance rate.

Yes it gets cold in the GWN which significantly lowers battery range in winter. Luckily I have a garage to charge in which helps greatly. Having to charge outside in the winter is even worse.
Which is exactly why consumers should be allowed to choose what they want to drive, be it an ICE, EV or hybrid vehicle. The government shouldn't be forcing manufacturers to build one particular type of vehicle. Consumers know what's best for them.
 

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Many people keep cars for well over 10 years. There's a huge market for used cars because most people can't afford or don't want to buy a new car. Do you have a link to a used EV car dealer, by any chance?
All you have to do is walk down any street to see there's lots of 10 year old vehicles on the road. Those cars are typically paid for, so no monthly payments remaining. A new car will cost you $400 or more a month, plus higher insurance etc. Plus, if you have a reliable (Japanese) car, it's not going to cost a lot to maintain.
 
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