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Epstein floodgates open as judge rules explosive docs detailing Ghislaine Maxwell's sex life can be UNSEALED in Virginia Giuffre's defamation case

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Sounds like my kind of girl. Actually neither of them were bad looking. Makes you wonder why they couldn't settle down and find that special someone.Why didn't they stay in France? Reminds me of this.
Never get out of the plane.....

Ghislaine more than enjoyed Epstein’s egg shaped penis but he refused to marry her so their relationship took a different turn. She was given assurances of a light sentence in America if she “cooperated”, a plan that would have her living in recently bought New Jersey mansion very soon again. She wants to live but knows far too much about the CIA, the Mossad, the Royal Family, Trump, the Clinton’s and many other power titans. The plots, the machinations, the hush money and blackmail due to espionage that she and Epstein were embroiled in are mind boggling. This “honey trap “ specialist felt that she would have been wacked in France and that coming to America with a pending deal in US election year was her best option.
 

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Ghislaine more than enjoyed Epstein’s egg shaped penis but he refused to marry her so their relationship took a different turn. She was given assurances of a light sentence in America if she “cooperated”, a plan that would have her living in recently bought New Jersey mansion very soon again. She wants to live but knows far too much about the CIA, the Mossad, the Royal Family, Trump, the Clinton’s and many other power titans. The plots, the machinations, the hush money and blackmail due to espionage that she and Epstein were embroiled in are mind boggling. This “honey trap “ specialist felt that she would have been wacked in France and that coming to America with a pending deal in US election year was her best option.
Sounds about right. The elite Americans will escape judgement, somebody will have to be sacrificed. I personally think it will be Prince Andrew, but who knows.
 
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Before Epstein was murdered in prison, anyone that spoke of rich and powerful men having sex with underage girls on an island was considered a conspiracy theory lunatic. Now everyone knows that it was true. The island, the underage sex, the rich and powerful. All of it was real.

Anyone that claimed there was a liberal media bias was given similar treatment pre-Trump yet we witnessed with no filter how the liberal media tried yet failed to get Clinton elected over Trump, and how they sabotaged Bernie for Clinton.

Is covid next?
 
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Anyone that claimed there was a liberal media bias was given similar treatment pre-Trump yet we witnessed with no filter how the liberal media tried yet failed to get Clinton elected over Trump, and how they sabotaged Bernie for Clinton.
 
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Sounds about right. The elite Americans will escape judgement, somebody will have to be sacrificed. I personally think it will be Prince Andrew, but who knows.
After the election, the GOP will want to discard Trump and ensure that he and his spawn never again factor into the party's power structure. So they and the Dems will arrange that the evidence against Donald is leaked and then they'll both put him on trial and take him down as the sacrificial victim.

Prince Andrew will get diplomatic immunity in exchange for selling Trump out. :D
 
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I listened to Alan Dershowitz interviewed the other day. I am with him.... "I am insisting on a complete FBI investigation of ME and Ms. Giuffre as I always have. This girl is lying through her teeth." He has been implicated by her and has some very interesting things to say regarding her allegations and the various conspiracy theories being floated about, especially the so called "intelligence" stuff. If anything does happen here it should get very interesting.
 

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After the election, the GOP will want to discard Trump and ensure that he and his spawn never again factor into the party's power structure. So they and the Dems will arrange that the evidence against Donald is leaked and then they'll both put him on trial and take him down as the sacrificial victim.

Prince Andrew will get diplomatic immunity in exchange for selling Trump out. :D
What are you smoking? I want some.
 

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After the election, the GOP will want to discard Trump and ensure that he and his spawn never again factor into the party's power structure. So they and the Dems will arrange that the evidence against Donald is leaked and then they'll both put him on trial and take him down as the sacrificial victim.

Prince Andrew will get diplomatic immunity in exchange for selling Trump out. :D
The GOP was comatose before Trump came along to give them direction and a new life for better or worse. Trump snuffed out the assumed heir, Jeb Bush quite easily and brought the GOP to the White House. Can the GOP win without Trump, an individual who has changed the face of America politics forever ? Trump still has a massive loyal base who do not see Biden and the Democrats as a viable alternative.

Before Ghislaine Maxwells trial begins next summer, some major figure(s) involved in this plot will be eliminated. The purpose of this honey trap was for extortion and coercion due to blackmail and it seems to be working and will influence the upcoming US election.
 

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I listened to Alan Dershowitz interviewed the other day. I am with him.... "I am insisting on a complete FBI investigation of ME and Ms. Giuffre as I always have. This girl is lying through her teeth." He has been implicated by her and has some very interesting things to say regarding her allegations and the various conspiracy theories being floated about, especially the so called "intelligence" stuff. If anything does happen here it should get very interesting.
If I was Dershowitz, I'd be saying word-for-word exactly the same thing. Some of it might actually even be true.
 

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I listened to Alan Dershowitz interviewed the other day. I am with him.... "I am insisting on a complete FBI investigation of ME and Ms. Giuffre as I always have. This girl is lying through her teeth." He has been implicated by her and has some very interesting things to say regarding her allegations and the various conspiracy theories being floated about, especially the so called "intelligence" stuff. If anything does happen here it should get very interesting.
The problem is Dershowitz isn't a remotely credible person. He has repeatedly made misleading claims about what documents show or don't show. So yes, he is making a lot of noise, but it is probably safest to just assume he is trying to spin the court of public opinion and ignore him
 
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The GOP was comatose before Trump came along to give them direction and a new life for better or worse. Trump snuffed out the assumed heir, Jeb Bush quite easily and brought the GOP to the White House. Can the GOP win without Trump, an individual who has changed the face of America politics forever ? Trump still has a massive loyal base who do not see Biden and the Democrats as a viable alternative.

Before Ghislaine Maxwells trial begins next summer, some major figure(s) involved in this plot will be eliminated. The purpose of this honey trap was for extortion and coercion due to blackmail and it seems to be working and will influence the upcoming US election.
I have no idea what your last sentence is other than conspiracy nonsense, but the bit about Trump giving the GOP direction is sort of true in a sense.
The GOP really thought they could keep running the "we will promise you culture war and racism sotto voce while being patricians looking for pro-rich policies. Trump said "fuck that, promise the racism and culture war up front" and it turns out a big part of the GOP base wanted that.

Did he change the face of American politics forever? Maybe. It is possible that authoritarian corruption as a goal worth throwing over democracy for is the new normal. I hope not. If Trump does lose despite cheating and trying to invalidate the election, the GOP will face a dilemma. There is a real discussion about policy that can be had divorce from the white nationalism, or they can decide they will never win without the white nationalism and disenfranchisement of the majority and double down. I really don't know which path they will take.
 

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I have no idea what your last sentence is other than conspiracy nonsense, but the bit about Trump giving the GOP direction is sort of true in a sense.
The GOP really thought they could keep running the "we will promise you culture war and racism sotto voce while being patricians looking for pro-rich policies. Trump said "fuck that, promise the racism and culture war up front" and it turns out a big part of the GOP base wanted that.

Did he change the face of American politics forever? Maybe. It is possible that authoritarian corruption as a goal worth throwing over democracy for is the new normal. I hope not. If Trump does lose despite cheating and trying to invalidate the election, the GOP will face a dilemma. There is a real discussion about policy that can be had divorce from the white nationalism, or they can decide they will never win without the white nationalism and disenfranchisement of the majority and double down. I really don't know which path they will take.
Am I then wrong in reading the establishment GOP pre 2016 as reaching out to the burgeoning Latino population of FL, TX and AZ among others and attempting to promise some type of laissez-faire, free-market-y, non-whitey nationalist-y type of Americ-utopia thingy divorced from redneck anger? Or did I mis-hear names like Cruz, Rubio among others and Jeb actually trying to speak a little Spanish?

I wasn't hearing "culture war sotto voce" there; more like "Hermanos, let's re invent ourselves so blacks, browns and suburban Millennials start to love us mucho".

The problem is that Trump has taken the GOP on a massive detour to a cul-de-sac called Rural, Aging, Demographically Declining Dead-end Angry Avenue. And he may have made it impossible for the GOP to get out of that dead end without fatally splitting the party and handing the RINOs to the Dems permanently, a la The Lincoln Project folks.

As far as "changing American politics permanently"..... Let's see who the GOP nominee in 2024 is? If it's a moderate, then no. If it's Donny Jr or some Trump-clone, then yes - in the sense that the GOP may never again win another national election.
 

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I have no idea what your last sentence is other than conspiracy nonsense, but the bit about Trump giving the GOP direction is sort of true in a sense.
The GOP really thought they could keep running the "we will promise you culture war and racism sotto voce while being patricians looking for pro-rich policies. Trump said "fuck that, promise the racism and culture war up front" and it turns out a big part of the GOP base wanted that.

Did he change the face of American politics forever? Maybe. It is possible that authoritarian corruption as a goal worth throwing over democracy for is the new normal. I hope not. If Trump does lose despite cheating and trying to invalidate the election, the GOP will face a dilemma. There is a real discussion about policy that can be had divorce from the white nationalism, or they can decide they will never win without the white nationalism and disenfranchisement of the majority and double down. I really don't know which path they will take.
I will rephrase the last sentence for you. Epstein’s Island functioned as a brothel, with more than likely underaged prostitution which is not acceptable by mainstream society anywhere. The patrons on this island were some of the most powerful and influential men (few women) in the world today. Some of the men are directly or indirectly associated with the upcoming election. Other very powerful foreign nationals are said to be involved as well. The US government and other actors who frequented the island may be forced to negotiate with the honey trap architects for national security interests and to avoid shame for themselves and their families. Prince Andrew has already been gutted in the court of public opinion and already likely extorted by the honey trappers so that he has almost been exhausted. Biden’s choice of a running mate is also influenced by the honey trap ( Hillary or not ?). How much Teflon does Trump have on him with respect to his base? There is a conspiracy being played out before our eyes and not a theoretical one.
 
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