Uh yeah it does... if even 1 death was removed that is one less person who died of covid
Or is a single life not worth anything to you?
End the Lockdown
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Or is a single life not worth anything to you?
I'll give you credit for the well written attempt at moral inversion but whether the virus kills 200,000 or 300,000, it is still a major problem, not a hoax like you've claimed.
The virus response is the hoax if that was unclear to you
The nonsense about virus living for multiple days on a surface (disproved; it dies off in minutes like most normal virii)
The nonsense about seeing a random stranger on a street and walking past them infects you (most obv disprove for this is the fact that despite multiple cases in grocery stores & food prep areas yet no major outbreaks as a result)
The nonsense about requiring this crippling economic lockdown where things get shut down and govt hands out billions of dollars putting us into a massive economic black hole without any thought of the future
The virus actually exists
The virus does spread (usually in small closed areas; nursing homes are obv areas of concern)
The virus does kill (mostly old; 90% of those are 70+ and the remaining 10% I am willing to bet either had pre-existing conditions or misdiagnosed)
The entire Pandemic is the hoax
Not the virus itself
Imperial College science used to implement unconstitutional lockdowns is flawed and garbage
New Delhi: A study conducted by renowned epidemiologist Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London, that had wide-ranging implications across the world, predicted that without a lockdown, Covid-19 could infect 80 per cent of the American population and lead to the deaths of 2.2 million people — which is 0.9 per cent of the total population.
Similarly, the study also stated that unless countries actively intervened to arrest the spread of the virus, 90 million people in the entire world could die, including 5,10,000 people in UK.
It had indicated that mitigation, like isolation of confirmed and suspected cases, and suppression of the virus, like closing schools and colleges, can reduce the spread of the virus to thousands.
In the early days of the coronavirus outbreak, UK was trying to attain herd immunity, but after the study’s publication, Prime Minister Boris Johnson lost his nerve and imposed the lockdown.
On the other hand, Sweden has continued herd immunity strategy since the beginning and ignored the Imperial College study. While the study predicted 20,000 deaths due to Covid-19 in Sweden, not even 3,000 died. On the other hand, nearly 35,000 have died in the UK even after imposing a lockdown.
Study author Neil Ferguson himself violated the lockdown by meeting his lover. He then resigned from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the apex group against Covid-19 in UK, which led to further controversies around the study.
Now, David Richards, founder and chief executive of WANdisco, a global leader in Big Data software and Dr Konstantin ‘Cos’ Boudnik, vice-president of architecture at WANdisco, have written an article in the Telegraph criticising the code used in the study.
They said the code doesn’t follow standard coding practices and also uses Fortran, a coding language from the 1970s. They have called Imperial College’s software mistake the worst in human history.
https://theprint.in/opinion/study-t...awed-why-telangana-needs-to-test-more/424624/
Failures of an Influential COVID-19 Model Used to Justify Lockdowns
https://www.heritage.org/public-hea...uential-covid-19-model-used-justify-lockdowns
New Delhi: A study conducted by renowned epidemiologist Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London, that had wide-ranging implications across the world, predicted that without a lockdown, Covid-19 could infect 80 per cent of the American population and lead to the deaths of 2.2 million people — which is 0.9 per cent of the total population.
Similarly, the study also stated that unless countries actively intervened to arrest the spread of the virus, 90 million people in the entire world could die, including 5,10,000 people in UK.
It had indicated that mitigation, like isolation of confirmed and suspected cases, and suppression of the virus, like closing schools and colleges, can reduce the spread of the virus to thousands.
In the early days of the coronavirus outbreak, UK was trying to attain herd immunity, but after the study’s publication, Prime Minister Boris Johnson lost his nerve and imposed the lockdown.
On the other hand, Sweden has continued herd immunity strategy since the beginning and ignored the Imperial College study. While the study predicted 20,000 deaths due to Covid-19 in Sweden, not even 3,000 died. On the other hand, nearly 35,000 have died in the UK even after imposing a lockdown.
Study author Neil Ferguson himself violated the lockdown by meeting his lover. He then resigned from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the apex group against Covid-19 in UK, which led to further controversies around the study.
Now, David Richards, founder and chief executive of WANdisco, a global leader in Big Data software and Dr Konstantin ‘Cos’ Boudnik, vice-president of architecture at WANdisco, have written an article in the Telegraph criticising the code used in the study.
They said the code doesn’t follow standard coding practices and also uses Fortran, a coding language from the 1970s. They have called Imperial College’s software mistake the worst in human history.
https://theprint.in/opinion/study-t...awed-why-telangana-needs-to-test-more/424624/
Failures of an Influential COVID-19 Model Used to Justify Lockdowns
https://www.heritage.org/public-hea...uential-covid-19-model-used-justify-lockdowns
So you're saying that the media and governments shouldn't be concerned about a huge jump in deaths? Gee, I thought you were concerned about every single life?
What I'm completely amazed by is almost every country in the world has shut down, closing down their economy for a pandemic that Teejay and Canadaman along with other amigos have figured it all out! All these governments except for Brazil and Sweden have done it all wrong. Who would have ever thought this possible? I am so impressed with the Covierb Amigos.
"We're facing a calculated risk in the knowledge that the contagion curve may rise again," Mr Conte said in a televised address late on Saturday.
"We have to accept it otherwise we will never be able to start up again."
The prime minister said Italy's businesses could not afford to wait until a vaccine was found, because "we would end up with a strongly damaged economic and social structure".
"We have to accept it otherwise we will never be able to start up again."
The prime minister said Italy's businesses could not afford to wait until a vaccine was found, because "we would end up with a strongly damaged economic and social structure".
And this is what is happening in Canada and the U.S. as well, with no vaccine.
BTW, that is an impressive list of posters that malibuk is afraid to debate with.
What will happen when CERB runs out soon?
The cure is already worse than the virus and we could be headed for an economic depression.
Toronto renters are now staging protests outside the mansions of their landlords
"Today tenants made it clear that we will continue to organize with our neighbours," wrote Parkdale Organize of the mansion protests.
"Unless landlords' threats of eviction and demands for rent repayment are withdrawn, and rent forgiven for tenants unable to pay during the crisis, we are prepared to escalate our action by bringing greater numbers of our neighbours to confront even more landlords where they live and do business."
Tenants in precarious financial positions who banded together ahead of April 1 in a widespread, organized rent strike are once again sounding the alarm as May 1 approaches and encouraging their neighbours to follow suit.
"We should keep our rent. Our landlords will be fine. We may not be.
"Whatever you have, hang on to it. Once you give it to your landlord, it's gone. You won't have it for food or for medicine. You won't have it for you, your family, your friends, your neighbours, or your co-workers – no-one. Your landlord will have it. It will go in their bank account and it will secure their investments."
Campaign organizers are reiterating that there is "strength in numbers" when it comes to withholding rent, writing on their website that "thousands of us deciding to keep our rent gives us the resources to better provide for the health and well-being of our families and communities."
The cure is already worse than the virus and we could be headed for an economic depression.
Toronto renters are now staging protests outside the mansions of their landlords
"Today tenants made it clear that we will continue to organize with our neighbours," wrote Parkdale Organize of the mansion protests.
"Unless landlords' threats of eviction and demands for rent repayment are withdrawn, and rent forgiven for tenants unable to pay during the crisis, we are prepared to escalate our action by bringing greater numbers of our neighbours to confront even more landlords where they live and do business."
Tenants in precarious financial positions who banded together ahead of April 1 in a widespread, organized rent strike are once again sounding the alarm as May 1 approaches and encouraging their neighbours to follow suit.
"We should keep our rent. Our landlords will be fine. We may not be.
"Whatever you have, hang on to it. Once you give it to your landlord, it's gone. You won't have it for food or for medicine. You won't have it for you, your family, your friends, your neighbours, or your co-workers – no-one. Your landlord will have it. It will go in their bank account and it will secure their investments."
Campaign organizers are reiterating that there is "strength in numbers" when it comes to withholding rent, writing on their website that "thousands of us deciding to keep our rent gives us the resources to better provide for the health and well-being of our families and communities."
I hope that they had rifles and confederate flags with them. It works every time.
And they would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those darn kid-like thinkers.
Doctors raise alarm about health effects of continued coronavirus shutdown: 'Mass casualty incident'
More than 600 doctors signed onto a letter sent to President Trump Tuesday pushing him to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."
The letter outlines a variety of consequences that the doctors have observed resulting from the coronavirus shutdowns, including patients missing routine checkups that could detect things like heart problems or cancer, increases in substance and alcohol abuse, and increases in financial instability that could lead to "poverty and financial uncertainty," which "is closely linked to poor health."
"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients," the doctors say in their letter. "The downstream health effects are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error."
The letter continues: "The millions of casualties of a continued shutdown will be hiding in plain sight, but they will be called alcoholism, homelessness, suicide, heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure. In youths it will be called financial instability, unemployment, despair, drug addiction, unplanned pregnancies, poverty, and abuse.
"Because the harm is diffuse, there are those who hold that it does not exist. We, the undersigned, know otherwise."
"The very initial argument ... which sounded reasonable three months ago, is that in order to limit the overwhelmed patient flux into hospitals that would prevent adequate care, we needed to spread out the infections and thus the deaths in specific locales that could become hotspots, particularly New York City... It was a valid argument at the beginning based on the models that were given," McDonald said. "What we've seen now over the last three months is that no city -- none, zero -- outside of New York has even been significantly stressed."
McDonald is referring to the misconception that business closures and stay-at-home orders aimed at "flattening the curve" are meant to reduce the total number of people who will fall ill because of the coronavirus. Rather, these curve-flattening measures are meant largely to reduce the number of people who are sick at any given time, thus avoiding a surge in cases that overwhelms the health care system and causes otherwise preventable deaths because not all patients are able to access lifesaving critical care.
McDonald said that "hospitals are not only not overwhelmed, they're actually being shut down." He noted that at one hospital in the Los Angeles area where Dr. Simone Gold, the head organizer of the letter, works "the technicians in the ER have been cut by 50 percent."
Gold also said the effects of the shutdown are more serious for the vast majority of people than the potential virus spread if it is quickly lifted.
More than 600 doctors signed onto a letter sent to President Trump Tuesday pushing him to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."
The letter outlines a variety of consequences that the doctors have observed resulting from the coronavirus shutdowns, including patients missing routine checkups that could detect things like heart problems or cancer, increases in substance and alcohol abuse, and increases in financial instability that could lead to "poverty and financial uncertainty," which "is closely linked to poor health."
"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients," the doctors say in their letter. "The downstream health effects are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error."
The letter continues: "The millions of casualties of a continued shutdown will be hiding in plain sight, but they will be called alcoholism, homelessness, suicide, heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure. In youths it will be called financial instability, unemployment, despair, drug addiction, unplanned pregnancies, poverty, and abuse.
"Because the harm is diffuse, there are those who hold that it does not exist. We, the undersigned, know otherwise."
"The very initial argument ... which sounded reasonable three months ago, is that in order to limit the overwhelmed patient flux into hospitals that would prevent adequate care, we needed to spread out the infections and thus the deaths in specific locales that could become hotspots, particularly New York City... It was a valid argument at the beginning based on the models that were given," McDonald said. "What we've seen now over the last three months is that no city -- none, zero -- outside of New York has even been significantly stressed."
McDonald is referring to the misconception that business closures and stay-at-home orders aimed at "flattening the curve" are meant to reduce the total number of people who will fall ill because of the coronavirus. Rather, these curve-flattening measures are meant largely to reduce the number of people who are sick at any given time, thus avoiding a surge in cases that overwhelms the health care system and causes otherwise preventable deaths because not all patients are able to access lifesaving critical care.
McDonald said that "hospitals are not only not overwhelmed, they're actually being shut down." He noted that at one hospital in the Los Angeles area where Dr. Simone Gold, the head organizer of the letter, works "the technicians in the ER have been cut by 50 percent."
Gold also said the effects of the shutdown are more serious for the vast majority of people than the potential virus spread if it is quickly lifted.
You won't even wear a mask. I bet you are the type that tries to get close to people's personal space. If you will not take any steps at all to stop the spread, what besides a lockdown would work with folks like you?
PS, OAN is a right-wing POS kiss Trumps ass new feed that makes FOX news look like CNN's kid sister.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network
Its prime time political talk shows have a conservative perspective,[13][14][15] and the channel regularly features pro-Donald Trump stories.[13][16] The channel described itself as one of the "greatest supporters" of Trump.[17] Trump has repeatedly promoted the network.[5] The channel has been noted for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.
There you go but I know, Wikipedia FAKENEWS ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE YEAH, where's the hydroxychloroquine and my cheeseburger????
I know that malibuk is afraid of some of us so he might not be able to see this, but is there a source/link for this "letter"?
