End the Lockdown
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Texas has a population of 29 million about 4/5 Canada and Canada in locldown has has over 1,000 cases per day during the same period and four times as many total deaths.
Cuomo says ‘you can’t save everyone’ as critics claim change in language on coronavirus deaths
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo this week said officials “did everything we could” to protect vulnerable populations, like those in nursing homes, from coronavirus, but acknowledged “you can’t save everyone.”
“As a society, you can’t save everyone. You’re gonna lose people, that’s life,” Cuomo told reporters amid reports of nursing home deaths exceeding 5,000. “But we did everything we could.”
Critics of the Democratic governor are hitting back – pointing out that his language seems to have changed from March when he made a point to say he was not going to accept the inevitability of coronavirus deaths.
“My mother is not expendable,” Cuomo tweeted. “Your mother is not expendable. We will not put a dollar figure on human life. We can have a public health strategy that is consistent with an economic one. No one should be talking about social darwinism for the sake of the stock market.”
Among those noting the change in language is former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has gained fame for his detailed criticisms of state lockdown measures.
“Hey, remember when @nygovcuomo said he wouldn’t 'accept a premise that human life is disposable...' and promised to 'save every life we can'?" Berenson tweeted.
He added: "Yeah, about that... times change, amirite?”
Cuomo has come under criticism because his state leads the nation in nursing home deaths.
“We’ve tried everything to keep it out of a nursing home, but it’s virtually impossible,” Cuomo recently told reporters. “Now is not the best time to put your mother in a nursing home. That is a fact.”
Residents’ relatives, health care watchdogs and lawmakers from both parties have cited problems with testing and transparency that have prevented officials — and the public — from grasping the full scale of the catastrophe. And they are second-guessing a state directive that requires nursing homes take on new patients infected with COVID-19 — an order they say accelerated outbreaks in facilities that are prime breeding grounds for infectious diseases.
Last week, though, Cuomo issued a new directive stating that hospitals cannot send patients back to nursing homes in the state unless they tested negative for the virus.
The move appeared to largely invalidate his March 25 state directive that required nursing homes to take on new patients infected with COVID-19.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo this week said officials “did everything we could” to protect vulnerable populations, like those in nursing homes, from coronavirus, but acknowledged “you can’t save everyone.”
“As a society, you can’t save everyone. You’re gonna lose people, that’s life,” Cuomo told reporters amid reports of nursing home deaths exceeding 5,000. “But we did everything we could.”
Critics of the Democratic governor are hitting back – pointing out that his language seems to have changed from March when he made a point to say he was not going to accept the inevitability of coronavirus deaths.
“My mother is not expendable,” Cuomo tweeted. “Your mother is not expendable. We will not put a dollar figure on human life. We can have a public health strategy that is consistent with an economic one. No one should be talking about social darwinism for the sake of the stock market.”
Among those noting the change in language is former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has gained fame for his detailed criticisms of state lockdown measures.
“Hey, remember when @nygovcuomo said he wouldn’t 'accept a premise that human life is disposable...' and promised to 'save every life we can'?" Berenson tweeted.
He added: "Yeah, about that... times change, amirite?”
Cuomo has come under criticism because his state leads the nation in nursing home deaths.
“We’ve tried everything to keep it out of a nursing home, but it’s virtually impossible,” Cuomo recently told reporters. “Now is not the best time to put your mother in a nursing home. That is a fact.”
Residents’ relatives, health care watchdogs and lawmakers from both parties have cited problems with testing and transparency that have prevented officials — and the public — from grasping the full scale of the catastrophe. And they are second-guessing a state directive that requires nursing homes take on new patients infected with COVID-19 — an order they say accelerated outbreaks in facilities that are prime breeding grounds for infectious diseases.
Last week, though, Cuomo issued a new directive stating that hospitals cannot send patients back to nursing homes in the state unless they tested negative for the virus.
The move appeared to largely invalidate his March 25 state directive that required nursing homes to take on new patients infected with COVID-19.
I don't see any inconsistencies. Nobody ever claimed everybody could be saved. It was about saving as many as reasonably possible. Once the curves of cases and deaths was declining, more risks could be taken. That was always the plan.
Colorado openly admitted they inflated covid 19 death counts.
Colorado has made a stunning and significant change to the way it counts COVID-19 deaths that reduced the statewide figure from more than 1,000 to 878, according to a report.
The change came after Colorado’s Department of Public Health admitted that its COVID-19 death toll was counting those who tested positive for the coronavirus but had died of other causes, Fox 31 Denver reported late Friday.
The department now says 1,150 Coloradoans who died had COVID-19 but only 878 of those deaths were “due to” COVID-19.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count
Colorado has made a stunning and significant change to the way it counts COVID-19 deaths that reduced the statewide figure from more than 1,000 to 878, according to a report.
The change came after Colorado’s Department of Public Health admitted that its COVID-19 death toll was counting those who tested positive for the coronavirus but had died of other causes, Fox 31 Denver reported late Friday.
The department now says 1,150 Coloradoans who died had COVID-19 but only 878 of those deaths were “due to” COVID-19.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count
This really is the core of the problem
People being counted who "might" have been sick (untested) or who "may" have died of covid (when death was a totally unrelated cause)
It clearly explains the huge percentage differences between different countries
If 50% of the listed deaths were unconfirmed, that would leave 45,000 Americans. Does that make it all better?
Uh yeah it does... if even 1 death was removed that is one less person who died of covid
Or is a single life not worth anything to you?
I'll give you credit for the well written attempt at moral inversion but whether the virus kills 200,000 or 300,000, it is still a major problem, not a hoax like you've claimed.
The virus response is the hoax if that was unclear to you
The nonsense about virus living for multiple days on a surface (disproved; it dies off in minutes like most normal virii)
The nonsense about seeing a random stranger on a street and walking past them infects you (most obv disprove for this is the fact that despite multiple cases in grocery stores & food prep areas yet no major outbreaks as a result)
The nonsense about requiring this crippling economic lockdown where things get shut down and govt hands out billions of dollars putting us into a massive economic black hole without any thought of the future
The virus actually exists
The virus does spread (usually in small closed areas; nursing homes are obv areas of concern)
The virus does kill (mostly old; 90% of those are 70+ and the remaining 10% I am willing to bet either had pre-existing conditions or misdiagnosed)
The entire Pandemic is the hoax
Not the virus itself
Imperial College science used to implement unconstitutional lockdowns is flawed and garbage
New Delhi: A study conducted by renowned epidemiologist Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London, that had wide-ranging implications across the world, predicted that without a lockdown, Covid-19 could infect 80 per cent of the American population and lead to the deaths of 2.2 million people — which is 0.9 per cent of the total population.
Similarly, the study also stated that unless countries actively intervened to arrest the spread of the virus, 90 million people in the entire world could die, including 5,10,000 people in UK.
It had indicated that mitigation, like isolation of confirmed and suspected cases, and suppression of the virus, like closing schools and colleges, can reduce the spread of the virus to thousands.
In the early days of the coronavirus outbreak, UK was trying to attain herd immunity, but after the study’s publication, Prime Minister Boris Johnson lost his nerve and imposed the lockdown.
On the other hand, Sweden has continued herd immunity strategy since the beginning and ignored the Imperial College study. While the study predicted 20,000 deaths due to Covid-19 in Sweden, not even 3,000 died. On the other hand, nearly 35,000 have died in the UK even after imposing a lockdown.
Study author Neil Ferguson himself violated the lockdown by meeting his lover. He then resigned from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the apex group against Covid-19 in UK, which led to further controversies around the study.
Now, David Richards, founder and chief executive of WANdisco, a global leader in Big Data software and Dr Konstantin ‘Cos’ Boudnik, vice-president of architecture at WANdisco, have written an article in the Telegraph criticising the code used in the study.
They said the code doesn’t follow standard coding practices and also uses Fortran, a coding language from the 1970s. They have called Imperial College’s software mistake the worst in human history.
https://theprint.in/opinion/study-t...awed-why-telangana-needs-to-test-more/424624/
Failures of an Influential COVID-19 Model Used to Justify Lockdowns
https://www.heritage.org/public-hea...uential-covid-19-model-used-justify-lockdowns
New Delhi: A study conducted by renowned epidemiologist Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London, that had wide-ranging implications across the world, predicted that without a lockdown, Covid-19 could infect 80 per cent of the American population and lead to the deaths of 2.2 million people — which is 0.9 per cent of the total population.
Similarly, the study also stated that unless countries actively intervened to arrest the spread of the virus, 90 million people in the entire world could die, including 5,10,000 people in UK.
It had indicated that mitigation, like isolation of confirmed and suspected cases, and suppression of the virus, like closing schools and colleges, can reduce the spread of the virus to thousands.
In the early days of the coronavirus outbreak, UK was trying to attain herd immunity, but after the study’s publication, Prime Minister Boris Johnson lost his nerve and imposed the lockdown.
On the other hand, Sweden has continued herd immunity strategy since the beginning and ignored the Imperial College study. While the study predicted 20,000 deaths due to Covid-19 in Sweden, not even 3,000 died. On the other hand, nearly 35,000 have died in the UK even after imposing a lockdown.
Study author Neil Ferguson himself violated the lockdown by meeting his lover. He then resigned from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the apex group against Covid-19 in UK, which led to further controversies around the study.
Now, David Richards, founder and chief executive of WANdisco, a global leader in Big Data software and Dr Konstantin ‘Cos’ Boudnik, vice-president of architecture at WANdisco, have written an article in the Telegraph criticising the code used in the study.
They said the code doesn’t follow standard coding practices and also uses Fortran, a coding language from the 1970s. They have called Imperial College’s software mistake the worst in human history.
https://theprint.in/opinion/study-t...awed-why-telangana-needs-to-test-more/424624/
Failures of an Influential COVID-19 Model Used to Justify Lockdowns
https://www.heritage.org/public-hea...uential-covid-19-model-used-justify-lockdowns
So you're saying that the media and governments shouldn't be concerned about a huge jump in deaths? Gee, I thought you were concerned about every single life?
What I'm completely amazed by is almost every country in the world has shut down, closing down their economy for a pandemic that Teejay and Canadaman along with other amigos have figured it all out! All these governments except for Brazil and Sweden have done it all wrong. Who would have ever thought this possible? I am so impressed with the Covierb Amigos.
"We're facing a calculated risk in the knowledge that the contagion curve may rise again," Mr Conte said in a televised address late on Saturday.
"We have to accept it otherwise we will never be able to start up again."
The prime minister said Italy's businesses could not afford to wait until a vaccine was found, because "we would end up with a strongly damaged economic and social structure".
"We have to accept it otherwise we will never be able to start up again."
The prime minister said Italy's businesses could not afford to wait until a vaccine was found, because "we would end up with a strongly damaged economic and social structure".
And this is what is happening in Canada and the U.S. as well, with no vaccine.
BTW, that is an impressive list of posters that malibuk is afraid to debate with.
What will happen when CERB runs out soon?
The cure is already worse than the virus and we could be headed for an economic depression.
Toronto renters are now staging protests outside the mansions of their landlords
"Today tenants made it clear that we will continue to organize with our neighbours," wrote Parkdale Organize of the mansion protests.
"Unless landlords' threats of eviction and demands for rent repayment are withdrawn, and rent forgiven for tenants unable to pay during the crisis, we are prepared to escalate our action by bringing greater numbers of our neighbours to confront even more landlords where they live and do business."
Tenants in precarious financial positions who banded together ahead of April 1 in a widespread, organized rent strike are once again sounding the alarm as May 1 approaches and encouraging their neighbours to follow suit.
"We should keep our rent. Our landlords will be fine. We may not be.
"Whatever you have, hang on to it. Once you give it to your landlord, it's gone. You won't have it for food or for medicine. You won't have it for you, your family, your friends, your neighbours, or your co-workers – no-one. Your landlord will have it. It will go in their bank account and it will secure their investments."
Campaign organizers are reiterating that there is "strength in numbers" when it comes to withholding rent, writing on their website that "thousands of us deciding to keep our rent gives us the resources to better provide for the health and well-being of our families and communities."
The cure is already worse than the virus and we could be headed for an economic depression.
Toronto renters are now staging protests outside the mansions of their landlords
"Today tenants made it clear that we will continue to organize with our neighbours," wrote Parkdale Organize of the mansion protests.
"Unless landlords' threats of eviction and demands for rent repayment are withdrawn, and rent forgiven for tenants unable to pay during the crisis, we are prepared to escalate our action by bringing greater numbers of our neighbours to confront even more landlords where they live and do business."
Tenants in precarious financial positions who banded together ahead of April 1 in a widespread, organized rent strike are once again sounding the alarm as May 1 approaches and encouraging their neighbours to follow suit.
"We should keep our rent. Our landlords will be fine. We may not be.
"Whatever you have, hang on to it. Once you give it to your landlord, it's gone. You won't have it for food or for medicine. You won't have it for you, your family, your friends, your neighbours, or your co-workers – no-one. Your landlord will have it. It will go in their bank account and it will secure their investments."
Campaign organizers are reiterating that there is "strength in numbers" when it comes to withholding rent, writing on their website that "thousands of us deciding to keep our rent gives us the resources to better provide for the health and well-being of our families and communities."
I hope that they had rifles and confederate flags with them. It works every time.
