I was echoing the other poster's comment.
Crimes here refers to his poor performance I reckon.
Elon musk calls Justin Trudeau an insufferable tool
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Crimes here refers to his poor performance I reckon.
Also worth mentioning that there is a lot of skepticism about the future of EVs in the industry with battery life, charging, and lifecycle a significant concern, even beyond the economics of the infrastructure and the the premium for EVs.
I don't like Musk but he did bring EVs back to the forefront and changed the perception from little, uncomfortable vehicles for hippie types into a luxury(ish) status symbol.
Google says Spacex has since under cut India and their cost of $1200 a lb to LEO is the lowst. SpaceX platform and its main mission is to enable the colonization of Mars. EVs are massively transfromaive in that they significantly reduce urban pollution and increase efficiency by orders of magnitude over ICE cars. Yes Starlink has trannsformed lives for people in rurial areas and made high speed internet available at a reasonable cost almost anywhere. If he can pull off self driving that wil be another giant leap.
thats all old news. EVs will likly out last gas powered cars. There are many Teslas with very high miles out there still running ust fine. The premium for EVs is very low now and shrinking. Used EVs are super cheap.
PPs not said anything of substance, just a complainer in chief. That said Trudeau can't seem to stop scoring own goals. Its kinda funny and sad that he made such a point of putting women in positions of power only to get backstabbed by them.
Cost per Kg or Lb is misleading as it also depends on the payload capacity of the vehicle.
A better measure is to compare cost per launch.
SpaceX's cost is twice that of India.
Many factors go into determining why this is.
Labour, fuel, overall weight and so on.
EVs can be massively transformative. But they are not. This is reality.
He has been touting self driving for the last 6 years without results. Part of the reason why he is a con.
Starlink has not been "massively transformative" in any significant way. Show some examples.
It is basically available in places where internet is already available.
They are also not the only players.
Basically you are giving example of successful businesses.
Not transformative ones.
Justin has given him and all Canadians lost to complain about
Pierre P has lots to say of substance but most can be summed with " I am not Justin Trudeau'
of course he can't, he is a moron
you are oblivious to the fact of who is holding the knife when talking about liberal back stabbing
Trudeau made such a point of putting women in positions of power, for political gain and for no other reason
Then he stabbed them in the back when they tried to be responsible and pushed back on him
he is a repeat offender over multiple years
Justin Trudeau is the problem
and here you are still trying to shift blame from him
Have we always been able to buy reliable EV's?
Have we always been able to re-use and land rockets?
Your claim about "changed life" is subjective.
It means different things to different people.
It's a desperate attempt to discredit his accomplishments.
Your comparisons to Gates and Jobs failed miserably.
Yes there were reliable EVs before Tesla.
Yes we were able to reuse boosters before SpaceX.
As I mentioned in a different post you are describing a successful business.
"Changed Life" has a high bar.
It should have cultural and behavioural impact.
Gone are the days when you'd tell someone to "Go to the library and read a book".
You'd say today instead "Google it!".
"Google" has become synonymous with "Search for information".
That is change because it affects our very behaviours and how we approach certain things in life.
Elon's most popular product, Tesla, does not enjoy such recognition or significance. It is merely one of many EVs.
Similarly when you think about space exploration, you think about NASA, the moon landings, the voyager space crafts. Not SpaceX.
So bottomline, Elon is a successful businessman. An even more successful con.
But he has not accomplished anything truly transformative.
No there were not reliable electric cars that were available to consumers before Tesla. The closest was the GM EV1 and that never was made available because it was too expensive to produce.
Tesla was a game changer in that respect. Tesla motivated all other car manufacturers to develop viable EVs of their own making them common place today. So you are wrong there.
SpaceX developed commercially viable re-usable rockets. Prior to that it was the space shuttle but it was too expensive to operate and was shelved in 2011.
Musk's ability to both be intelligent in business and be a visionary when it comes to technology is the reason for his success.
I bet if you were around when Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone you would prematurely call him a con like you are doing with Musk. Except Musk has accomplished more in different areas at the same time.
So are you jealous or just impatient, or both?
All Spacex launchers have decent payload and of course Starship is the most powerful rocket in history. Cost per launch is meaningless if your payload is small. India has 1 such rocket where the payload is only 3-500 kg. I am not saying its useless, but it drives the cost per launch down and offers much less utility per launch. You may call EVs not transfromative, but as someone that has been able to receive free energy for driving, I will tell you its quite mind blowing. Plus the reduced polluton even when I get into a late model car you get that whiff of fuel when you start a cold car. After driving an EV you really notice it. Starlink intenet into planes and ships at very low cost compared to older tech, plus rural areas also have access to the internet now and this will enable all kinds of transfromative tehc like remote surgury for example
But you are not answering the question.
What have Tesla and SpaceX revolutionized?
If a person is buying a car Tesla is just one of many options today.
Infact Teslas are unaffordable for most people and there is always the anxiety with charging infrastructure.
So they have neither taken over the market nor changed behaviours.
Same with SpaceX.
Reusable rockets have existed for ever and as I mentioned the Indian space agency does it for half the cost of SpaceX without reusable rockets.
You are again referring to a successful business with a little innovation thrown in.
It is not a transformative in any way.
SpaceX:
Starship is still not operational.
Cost per launch becomes the most important factor if your payload is small.
Imagine putting a 500Kg satellite on a vehicle that can carry 10,000Kg.
You are paying for fuel and all that mass, but your payload is small.
India has their medium lift rocket. What they dont have is heavy lift rockets.
They generally operate at much lower costs than spacex do.
It is a matter of time when they get their heavy lift and super heavy lift rockets, and make them reusable.
But generally speaking, for the medium lift category, India operates at half the cost of SpaceX.
Tesla
You may be a EV owner and fan.
I am not.
Opinions differ on it.
But many dont care or cannot afford.
The definition of something transformative is for it to change behaviours.
Tesla hasn't.
Starlink
Countries like China and India have been doing this forever.
Their communication satellites provide education and medical help to doctors in rural regions.
As for internet, there are many satellite internet providers, not just Starlink.
Again nothing truly transformative.
All these are successful businesses.
Not transformative in any way though.
No it's current news. Anyone connected with the industry has been aware for the past 2 years that consumer uptake is lagging expectations by a lot. Government rebates and investment in infrastructure could help but the engineering side still has significant difficulties with batteries that need to be worked out.
p.s. Used EVs are cheep because demand is low. If I wanted a second vehicle explicitly for city use, I'd consider an EV but I sure as hell would lease it so I'm not the one stuck with battery replacement.
Then no one you mentioned in comparison to Musk was "transformative" by your definition. They all used technology that already existed.
You then use the excuse that technology moves much faster now than it used to so what are you trying to argue exactly?
You agree that Musk is a great businessman and completely ignore his involvement in making good decisions about directing where technology is going.
He's not a con. He's a modern genius that you can't seem to wrap your mind around because you are stuck in the past.
Okay, long post.
By my definition only Elon has not been transformative in comparison.
Technology:
Technology is built on top of existing technology and research, so this isn't anything new.
Yes, technology development is exponential. We are able to develop tech faster and technology becomes obsolete faster today than it did 40 years ago.
So the timelines that applied to Gates and Jobs do not apply to Elon.
Heck the others held in comparison may have even used existing technology and improved upon it, but they did transform lives unlike Elon.
Examples:
Gates and Jobs transformed personal computing in less than a decade, even though as you pointed out there was a personal computer invented already, but never took off.
Jobs transformed communication as we know it today even though smartphones existed before the iPhone, but never took off.
Zuckerberg transformed how we connect with people even though there were previous rudimentary social media.
Bezos transformed how we shop, how customer service is provided etc even though there may have been other online retail marketplaces.
The google guys transformed how we search for information even though there were search engines such as Ask Jeeves etc before them.
Conclusion
In each case of my examples, you can see that you can argue that these guys weren't "first to market".
You can see they were successful businessmen.
However you can also agree, that they completely transformed our behaviours, lives, approach to things, culture and so on.
Elon has had 20 years with Tesla and SpaceX.
What exactly has he transformed?
There were EVs before, so he was not first to market. There were rockets before so he was not first to market there either.
Tesla is just 1 of many cars today.
SpaceX is one of many commercial space launch companies today.
He runs successful businesses in modern times where tech development is much faster.
Yet he has not been able to accomplish transformation as much as the others.
This is undeniable and these are just facts.
He is no tech genius. He is no engineer. He is no product architect.
He is an intelligent investor who runs successful businesses.
His con is in making "visionary and transformative claims" often times bordering on science fiction and then not delivering on them. An example of this is Tesla FSD that he has been touting about for the last however many years.
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Do you think other car manufacturers would have escalated their development of EV's if it wasn't for Tesla?
You tried to compare him to Gates and Jobs and failed because the only thing they have that Musk doesn't is longer history and you are leveraging hindsight.
They were not engineers. They were not product architects. You criticized Musk for not being those things until I enlightened you about the others. So you dropped that argument.
Your excuse that tech development is much faster now doesn't hold water because then everyone would be able to do what he has done so far. In fact I would argue that people like Musk are more challenged coming up with things people want due to the flood of technology out there to compete with.
Your argument first started by saying the others were different but I had to enlighten you that they adopted others' ideas as well. So you dropped that argument quickly.
You keep bouncing around when I prove you are mistaken.
So just say you don't like him because he supports Trump or you are jealous (or both) and quit trying to make it about anything else. It's not working for you.
Yes they would have.
EVs existed before Tesla and others infact make better EVs than Tesla today.
And Gates and Jobs may have started their companies earlier.
But they accomplished changing people's lives just a few years after the launch of their products.
Also I did not drop the argument that Elon is a con because he claims to be an engineer at all. It is right there in the post you have responded to. You are not reading.
So nice try pretending they only changed lives 40 years hence.
On the other hand it has been almost 20 years since the roadster rolled out and till date EVs are still a minority.
Yes tech development is faster today.
And yes everyone else is doing what Tesla is doing today as well.
Infact they are doing it just as, if not better than Tesla.
Throughout your argument you are unable to show any examples at all about how Elon has accomplished anything that counts as truly transformative.
All you could come up with are excuses for Elon.
Why do you need a car that can go 400km for city use? Tesla batteries will lose about 15% of their range after 200K miles. That is pretty damn good. Do you expect a car engine to be in perfect shape after 200K miles? Its old news, car batteries will outlast the car in most cases. Many teslas in auto trader with very hgh miles.
