Elon musk calls Justin Trudeau an insufferable tool

[Skoob]

Oh nice double twisting double backflip.
I gave you the facts regarding how Tesla was formed, and how Elon came to acquire it.
You gave me an opinion piece.
My info was based on actual facts.
Yours based on opinions.
Everytime you say you prove me wrong, you end up getting caught in your own web of convoluted reasonings.
Like the other thread where I summarily proved you wrong.

How Tesla was formed has nothing to do with what Musk has accomplished with it and other things.
Every time you tried to use Gates and Jobs as your examples I proved that your info was contradictory.

If you want to keep looking foolish go ahead...this is sport to me.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

How Tesla was formed has nothing to do with what Musk has accomplished with it and other things.

And how have his accomplishments changed life as we know it?
They haven't and that is a factually correct statement.

 

[nottyboi]

No nuances.
Straight up facts.
- EVs have always existed and the first vehicles in 1895 were electric. EVs are still unafforable, are a minority of the market and Teslas are badly constructed vehicles.
- Reusuable launch vehicles have been around for over 50 years. I will give him credit for landing boosters back though.
- Neuralink has killed 100s of primates it was tested on. The 1 human it was tested on has not been heard from since. BCI technology research has existed since the 60s.
- Boring Company is a failed endeavour.
- Musk did not co-found Paypal.
There you go.
Nothing much there to put him in the league of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

Geez how many EVs were available for sale before Tesla? The reusability of the launch vehicles is not the point. Its the economics of launching. The space shuttle was one of the most expensive ways in history to launch a payload. SpaceX has utterly revolutionized the cost of space launches, If you tell me Mandrill was part of the Neuralink pilot, I would say it explains a lot. I would say that Trudeaus charactization of Kamalas defeat as a setback for women was idiotic. She was a bad candidate, a lousy campaigner and an affirmative action disaster

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Geez how many EVs were available for sale before Tesla? The reusability of the launch vehicles is not the point. Its the economics of launching. The space shuttle was one of the most expensive ways in history to launch a payload. SpaceX has utterly revolutionized the cost of space launches, If you tell me Mandrill was part of the Neuralink pilot, I would say it explains a lot.

So you are saying he made Tesla a minor competitor to the big 3.
Yes it is a successful business.
But did it change lives?
No.
Same with the economics of launching.
The Indian space agency does it, at or below cost of SpaceX.
When they get reusable vehicles, or a heavy lift vehicle, it will get even cheaper for them.

 

[JohnLarue]

That’s because Trudeau is in insufferable tool

he is much worse than that
Canadians will pay a vey steep price for selecting a fool to be our leader because..... he had a famous last name ???

in 9 short years he has taken the very best country in the world and turned it into a shit show
the worse part is Trudeaus stupidity and irresponsible mis-management will haunt Canada for generations
get ready to have your standard of living decline ... further

 

[JohnLarue]

Geez how many EVs were available for sale before Tesla? The reusability of the launch vehicles is not the point. Its the economics of launching. The space shuttle was one of the most expensive ways in history to launch a payload. SpaceX has utterly revolutionized the cost of space launches, If you tell me Mandrill was part of the Neuralink pilot, I would say it explains a lot. I would say that Trudeaus charactization of Kamalas defeat as a setback for women was idiotic. She was a bad candidate, a lousy campaigner and an affirmative action disaster

So you are finally turning on Trudeau after a decade of cheerleading for him

what is your opinion worth again ?

 

[JuanGoodman]

he is much worse than that
Canadians will pay a vey steep price for selecting a fool to be our leader because..... he had a famous last name ???

in 9 short years he has taken the very best country in the world and turned it into a shit show
the worse part is Trudeaus stupidity and irresponsible mis-management will haunt Canada for generations
get ready to have your standard of living decline ... further

unfortunately Trudeau will never be held accountable for what he has done to Canada

he should go to jail for his shenanigans

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

unfortunately Trudeau will never be held accountable for what he has done to Canada

he should go to jail for his shenanigans

His "crimes" will be forgotten as soon as the next PM fucks up.
Its a revolving door of fuck ups tbh.

 

[JuanGoodman]

His "crimes" will be forgotten as soon as the next PM fucks up.
Its a revolving door of fuck ups tbh.

very true

we are being played from both sides

 

[PeterParker1000]

very true

we are being played from both sides

It’s a cycle you’re currently seeing play out in the UK.

 

[JuanGoodman]

It’s a cycle you’re currently seeing play out in the UK.

UK has been a shit show for a few years now

every new leader is trying to screw UK more than the previous guy

doesn't matter what party they represent

 

[nottyboi]

So you are saying he made Tesla a minor competitor to the big 3.
Yes it is a successful business.
But did it change lives?
No.
Same with the economics of launching.
The Indian space agency does it, at or below cost of SpaceX.
When they get reusable vehicles, or a heavy lift vehicle, it will get even cheaper for them.

India may have a lower cost but they are not really commercially available on a large scale. Space X is acknowledged to be the lowest cost. YOu have to include insurance is the cost so reliability is a huge factor. Space shuttle was $54K per KG, Falcon heavy is $2.3K per KG, Goal for Starship is $0.01K per kg.

Yes Tesla has changed lives dramatcially, it has forced every major car company to upend their product plans and understand the future is EVs. China has embraced EVs around the time of Tesla and utterly transformed what is now the largest car market .Just because things in Canada have not changed much, don't think they are not changing elsewhere. Did every car company have an EV program before Tesla? Well now they do. Did Starlink change lives in rural areas for remote internet access, you can bet you ASS it has. Utterly transformational with 2.7B in revenue per year and an unassaiable competitive advantage. Is Tesla wayyyy overvalued? Probably. Is it extremely valuable, probably.

 

[nottyboi]

UK has been a shit show for a few years now

every new leader is trying to screw UK more than the previous guy

doesn't matter what party they represent

Well since the population chose to screw themselves with Brexit, they are kinda delivering what the masses wanted. lol

 

[nottyboi]

His "crimes" will be forgotten as soon as the next PM fucks up.
Its a revolving door of fuck ups tbh.

what crimes are you talking about? Mulrony took a bag of cash, then sued the govt for claiming he took it, then didn't return the $ from the libel suit when he admitted he DID take it, lol.

 

[nottyboi]

So you are finally turning on Trudeau after a decade of cheerleading for him

what is your opinion worth again ?

I am not a cheerleader, I call things as I see them. The comment he made was not justified and Kamala sucked as a candidate, even worse then Trump. And PP sucks more as as candidate then Trudeau. STILL.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

India may have a lower cost but they are not really commercially available on a large scale. Space X is acknowledged to be the lowest cost. YOu have to include insurance is the cost so reliability is a huge factor. Space shuttle was $54K per KG, Falcon heavy is $2.3K per KG, Goal for Starship is $0.01K per kg.

Yes Tesla has changed lives dramatcially, it has forced every major car company to upend their product plans and understand the future is EVs. China has embraced EVs around the time of Tesla and utterly transformed what is now the largest car market .Just because things in Canada have not changed much, don't think they are not changing elsewhere. Did every car company have an EV program before Tesla? Well now they do. Did Starlink change lives in rural areas for remote internet access, you can bet you ASS it has. Utterly transformational with 2.7B in revenue per year and an unassaiable competitive advantage. Is Tesla wayyyy overvalued? Probably. Is it extremely valuable, probably.

The Indian space agency can become more commercially available in the future.
And SpaceX is not acknowledged to be the lowest cost because they objectively aren't.
But in any case I gave credit for landing boosters already.
But what is the impact of SpaceX on our lives? Nothing of note.
NASA's missions were pioneering.
SpaceX is just a commercial company providing space launch capabilities at competitive cost that other agencies like the Indian space agencies are already doing.
EVs are not transformative in any real sense.
Much of the EV development you are seeing today is a response to climate change initiatives and natural market transition.
Even so Ford announced they are pivoting away from EVs.
And when it comes to Starlink again, no. They have not transformed lives.
They provide services to parts of the world that already have internet for the most part.
There are many satellite internet providers in these parts of the world.
Just like Tesla, Elon's accomplishments are overstated.
He is not a transformational leader.
He is a successful businessman who relies on his cons to create these bloated expectations that he then leverages to sell his less than stellar products.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

what crimes are you talking about? Mulrony took a bag of cash, then sued the govt for claiming he took it, then didn't return the $ from the libel suit when he admitted he DID take it, lol.

I was echoing the other poster's comment.
Crimes here refers to his poor performance I reckon.

 

[JuanGoodman]

Well since the population chose to screw themselves with Brexit, they are kinda delivering what the masses wanted. lol

Brexit is one thing but their political parties desire to completely ruin the middle class is something else

 

[JohnLarue]

I am not a cheerleader, I call things as I see them.

yeah right

The comment he made was not justified and Kamala sucked as a candidate, even worse then Trump.

holy kreskin

And PP sucks more as as candidate then Trudeau. STILL.

like i said what is your opinion worth again ?

 

[basketcase]

So you are saying he made Tesla a minor competitor to the big 3.
Yes it is a successful business.
But did it change lives?
No.
Same with the economics of launching.
The Indian space agency does it, at or below cost of SpaceX.
When they get reusable vehicles, or a heavy lift vehicle, it will get even cheaper for them.

Also worth mentioning that there is a lot of skepticism about the future of EVs in the industry with battery life, charging, and lifecycle a significant concern, even beyond the economics of the infrastructure and the the premium for EVs.

I don't like Musk but he did bring EVs back to the forefront and changed the perception from little, uncomfortable vehicles for hippie types into a luxury(ish) status symbol.