Elon musk calls Justin Trudeau an insufferable tool

nottyboi

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So you are saying he made Tesla a minor competitor to the big 3.
Yes it is a successful business.
But did it change lives?
No.
Same with the economics of launching.
The Indian space agency does it, at or below cost of SpaceX.
When they get reusable vehicles, or a heavy lift vehicle, it will get even cheaper for them.
India may have a lower cost but they are not really commercially available on a large scale. Space X is acknowledged to be the lowest cost. YOu have to include insurance is the cost so reliability is a huge factor. Space shuttle was $54K per KG, Falcon heavy is $2.3K per KG, Goal for Starship is $0.01K per kg.

Yes Tesla has changed lives dramatcially, it has forced every major car company to upend their product plans and understand the future is EVs. China has embraced EVs around the time of Tesla and utterly transformed what is now the largest car market .Just because things in Canada have not changed much, don't think they are not changing elsewhere. Did every car company have an EV program before Tesla? Well now they do. Did Starlink change lives in rural areas for remote internet access, you can bet you ASS it has. Utterly transformational with 2.7B in revenue per year and an unassaiable competitive advantage. Is Tesla wayyyy overvalued? Probably. Is it extremely valuable, probably.
 

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UK has been a shit show for a few years now

every new leader is trying to screw UK more than the previous guy

doesn't matter what party they represent
Well since the population chose to screw themselves with Brexit, they are kinda delivering what the masses wanted. lol
 

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His "crimes" will be forgotten as soon as the next PM fucks up.
Its a revolving door of fuck ups tbh.
what crimes are you talking about? Mulrony took a bag of cash, then sued the govt for claiming he took it, then didn't return the $ from the libel suit when he admitted he DID take it, lol.
 

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So you are finally turning on Trudeau after a decade of cheerleading for him

what is your opinion worth again ?
I am not a cheerleader, I call things as I see them. The comment he made was not justified and Kamala sucked as a candidate, even worse then Trump. And PP sucks more as as candidate then Trudeau. STILL.
 

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India may have a lower cost but they are not really commercially available on a large scale. Space X is acknowledged to be the lowest cost. YOu have to include insurance is the cost so reliability is a huge factor. Space shuttle was $54K per KG, Falcon heavy is $2.3K per KG, Goal for Starship is $0.01K per kg.

Yes Tesla has changed lives dramatcially, it has forced every major car company to upend their product plans and understand the future is EVs. China has embraced EVs around the time of Tesla and utterly transformed what is now the largest car market .Just because things in Canada have not changed much, don't think they are not changing elsewhere. Did every car company have an EV program before Tesla? Well now they do. Did Starlink change lives in rural areas for remote internet access, you can bet you ASS it has. Utterly transformational with 2.7B in revenue per year and an unassaiable competitive advantage. Is Tesla wayyyy overvalued? Probably. Is it extremely valuable, probably.
The Indian space agency can become more commercially available in the future.
And SpaceX is not acknowledged to be the lowest cost because they objectively aren't.
But in any case I gave credit for landing boosters already.
But what is the impact of SpaceX on our lives? Nothing of note.
NASA's missions were pioneering.
SpaceX is just a commercial company providing space launch capabilities at competitive cost that other agencies like the Indian space agencies are already doing.
EVs are not transformative in any real sense.
Much of the EV development you are seeing today is a response to climate change initiatives and natural market transition.
Even so Ford announced they are pivoting away from EVs.
And when it comes to Starlink again, no. They have not transformed lives.
They provide services to parts of the world that already have internet for the most part.
There are many satellite internet providers in these parts of the world.
Just like Tesla, Elon's accomplishments are overstated.
He is not a transformational leader.
He is a successful businessman who relies on his cons to create these bloated expectations that he then leverages to sell his less than stellar products.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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what crimes are you talking about? Mulrony took a bag of cash, then sued the govt for claiming he took it, then didn't return the $ from the libel suit when he admitted he DID take it, lol.
I was echoing the other poster's comment.
Crimes here refers to his poor performance I reckon.
 

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Well since the population chose to screw themselves with Brexit, they are kinda delivering what the masses wanted. lol
Brexit is one thing but their political parties desire to completely ruin the middle class is something else
 

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So you are saying he made Tesla a minor competitor to the big 3.
Yes it is a successful business.
But did it change lives?
No.
Same with the economics of launching.
The Indian space agency does it, at or below cost of SpaceX.
When they get reusable vehicles, or a heavy lift vehicle, it will get even cheaper for them.
Also worth mentioning that there is a lot of skepticism about the future of EVs in the industry with battery life, charging, and lifecycle a significant concern, even beyond the economics of the infrastructure and the the premium for EVs.

I don't like Musk but he did bring EVs back to the forefront and changed the perception from little, uncomfortable vehicles for hippie types into a luxury(ish) status symbol.
 

nottyboi

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The Indian space agency can become more commercially available in the future.
And SpaceX is not acknowledged to be the lowest cost because they objectively aren't.
But in any case I gave credit for landing boosters already.
But what is the impact of SpaceX on our lives? Nothing of note.
NASA's missions were pioneering.
SpaceX is just a commercial company providing space launch capabilities at competitive cost that other agencies like the Indian space agencies are already doing.
EVs are not transformative in any real sense.
Much of the EV development you are seeing today is a response to climate change initiatives and natural market transition.
Even so Ford announced they are pivoting away from EVs.
And when it comes to Starlink again, no. They have not transformed lives.
They provide services to parts of the world that already have internet for the most part.
There are many satellite internet providers in these parts of the world.
Just like Tesla, Elon's accomplishments are overstated.
He is not a transformational leader.
He is a successful businessman who relies on his cons to create these bloated expectations that he then leverages to sell his less than stellar products.
Google says Spacex has since under cut India and their cost of $1200 a lb to LEO is the lowst. SpaceX platform and its main mission is to enable the colonization of Mars. EVs are massively transfromaive in that they significantly reduce urban pollution and increase efficiency by orders of magnitude over ICE cars. Yes Starlink has trannsformed lives for people in rurial areas and made high speed internet available at a reasonable cost almost anywhere. If he can pull off self driving that wil be another giant leap.
 

nottyboi

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Also worth mentioning that there is a lot of skepticism about the future of EVs in the industry with battery life, charging, and lifecycle a significant concern, even beyond the economics of the infrastructure and the the premium for EVs.

I don't like Musk but he did bring EVs back to the forefront and changed the perception from little, uncomfortable vehicles for hippie types into a luxury(ish) status symbol.
thats all old news. EVs will likly out last gas powered cars. There are many Teslas with very high miles out there still running ust fine. The premium for EVs is very low now and shrinking. Used EVs are super cheap.
 

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yeah right



holy kreskin


like i said what is your opinion worth again ?
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PPs not said anything of substance, just a complainer in chief. That said Trudeau can't seem to stop scoring own goals. Its kinda funny and sad that he made such a point of putting women in positions of power only to get backstabbed by them.
 

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Google says Spacex has since under cut India and their cost of $1200 a lb to LEO is the lowst. SpaceX platform and its main mission is to enable the colonization of Mars. EVs are massively transfromaive in that they significantly reduce urban pollution and increase efficiency by orders of magnitude over ICE cars. Yes Starlink has trannsformed lives for people in rurial areas and made high speed internet available at a reasonable cost almost anywhere. If he can pull off self driving that wil be another giant leap.
Cost per Kg or Lb is misleading as it also depends on the payload capacity of the vehicle.
A better measure is to compare cost per launch.
SpaceX's cost is twice that of India.
Many factors go into determining why this is.
Labour, fuel, overall weight and so on.
EVs can be massively transformative. But they are not. This is reality.
He has been touting self driving for the last 6 years without results. Part of the reason why he is a con.
Starlink has not been "massively transformative" in any significant way. Show some examples.
It is basically available in places where internet is already available.
They are also not the only players.
Basically you are giving example of successful businesses.
Not transformative ones.
 

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PPs not said anything of substance, just a complainer in chief.
Justin has given him and all Canadians lost to complain about
Pierre P has lots to say of substance but most can be summed with " I am not Justin Trudeau'

That said Trudeau can't seem to stop scoring own goals.
of course he can't, he is a moron

Its kinda funny and sad that he made such a point of putting women in positions of power only to get backstabbed by them.
you are oblivious to the fact of who is holding the knife when talking about liberal back stabbing

Trudeau made such a point of putting women in positions of power, for political gain and for no other reason
Then he stabbed them in the back when they tried to be responsible and pushed back on him

he is a repeat offender over multiple years
Justin Trudeau is the problem

and here you are still trying to shift blame from him
 

Skoob

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And how have his accomplishments changed life as we know it?
They haven't and that is a factually correct statement.
Have we always been able to buy reliable EV's?
Have we always been able to re-use and land rockets?

Your claim about "changed life" is subjective.
It means different things to different people.
It's a desperate attempt to discredit his accomplishments.
Your comparisons to Gates and Jobs failed miserably.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Have we always been able to buy reliable EV's?
Have we always been able to re-use and land rockets?

Your claim about "changed life" is subjective.
It means different things to different people.
It's a desperate attempt to discredit his accomplishments.
Your comparisons to Gates and Jobs failed miserably.
Yes there were reliable EVs before Tesla.
Yes we were able to reuse boosters before SpaceX.
As I mentioned in a different post you are describing a successful business.
"Changed Life" has a high bar.
It should have cultural and behavioural impact.
Gone are the days when you'd tell someone to "Go to the library and read a book".
You'd say today instead "Google it!".
"Google" has become synonymous with "Search for information".
That is change because it affects our very behaviours and how we approach certain things in life.
Elon's most popular product, Tesla, does not enjoy such recognition or significance. It is merely one of many EVs.
Similarly when you think about space exploration, you think about NASA, the moon landings, the voyager space crafts. Not SpaceX.
So bottomline, Elon is a successful businessman. An even more successful con.
But he has not accomplished anything truly transformative.
 

Skoob

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Yes there were reliable EVs before Tesla.
Yes we were able to reuse boosters before SpaceX.
As I mentioned in a different post you are describing a successful business.
"Changed Life" has a high bar.
It should have cultural and behavioural impact.
Gone are the days when you'd tell someone to "Go to the library and read a book".
You'd say today instead "Google it!".
"Google" has become synonymous with "Search for information".
That is change because it affects our very behaviours and how we approach certain things in life.
Elon's most popular product, Tesla, does not enjoy such recognition or significance. It is merely one of many EVs.
Similarly when you think about space exploration, you think about NASA, the moon landings, the voyager space crafts. Not SpaceX.
So bottomline, Elon is a successful businessman. An even more successful con.
But he has not accomplished anything truly transformative.
No there were not reliable electric cars that were available to consumers before Tesla. The closest was the GM EV1 and that never was made available because it was too expensive to produce.
Tesla was a game changer in that respect. Tesla motivated all other car manufacturers to develop viable EVs of their own making them common place today. So you are wrong there.

SpaceX developed commercially viable re-usable rockets. Prior to that it was the space shuttle but it was too expensive to operate and was shelved in 2011.

Musk's ability to both be intelligent in business and be a visionary when it comes to technology is the reason for his success.

I bet if you were around when Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone you would prematurely call him a con like you are doing with Musk. Except Musk has accomplished more in different areas at the same time.

So are you jealous or just impatient, or both?
 

nottyboi

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Cost per Kg or Lb is misleading as it also depends on the payload capacity of the vehicle.
A better measure is to compare cost per launch.
SpaceX's cost is twice that of India.
Many factors go into determining why this is.
Labour, fuel, overall weight and so on.
EVs can be massively transformative. But they are not. This is reality.
He has been touting self driving for the last 6 years without results. Part of the reason why he is a con.
Starlink has not been "massively transformative" in any significant way. Show some examples.
It is basically available in places where internet is already available.
They are also not the only players.
Basically you are giving example of successful businesses.
Not transformative ones.
All Spacex launchers have decent payload and of course Starship is the most powerful rocket in history. Cost per launch is meaningless if your payload is small. India has 1 such rocket where the payload is only 3-500 kg. I am not saying its useless, but it drives the cost per launch down and offers much less utility per launch. You may call EVs not transfromative, but as someone that has been able to receive free energy for driving, I will tell you its quite mind blowing. Plus the reduced polluton even when I get into a late model car you get that whiff of fuel when you start a cold car. After driving an EV you really notice it. Starlink intenet into planes and ships at very low cost compared to older tech, plus rural areas also have access to the internet now and this will enable all kinds of transfromative tehc like remote surgury for example
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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No there were not reliable electric cars that were available to consumers before Tesla. The closest was the GM EV1 and that never was made available because it was too expensive to produce.
Tesla was a game changer in that respect. Tesla motivated all other car manufacturers to develop viable EVs of their own making them common place today. So you are wrong there.

SpaceX developed commercially viable re-usable rockets. Prior to that it was the space shuttle but it was too expensive to operate and was shelved in 2011.

Musk's ability to both be intelligent in business and be a visionary when it comes to technology is the reason for his success.

I bet if you were around when Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone you would prematurely call him a con like you are doing with Musk. Except Musk has accomplished more in different areas at the same time.

So are you jealous or just impatient, or both?
But you are not answering the question.
What have Tesla and SpaceX revolutionized?
If a person is buying a car Tesla is just one of many options today.
Infact Teslas are unaffordable for most people and there is always the anxiety with charging infrastructure.
So they have neither taken over the market nor changed behaviours.
Same with SpaceX.
Reusable rockets have existed for ever and as I mentioned the Indian space agency does it for half the cost of SpaceX without reusable rockets.
You are again referring to a successful business with a little innovation thrown in.
It is not a transformative in any way.
 
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