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Ranger your problem is intolerance. What the fuck is wrong with the POTUS being a religous man??Ranger68 said:What's your evidence that GWB is NOT a religious man, and that he doesn't make decisions in his life based on religion? Other than just making whatever assumptions suit your mood?
I've quoted from a book all about Bush's religion.
I'll wait for some counter-evidence that Bush is not, in fact, a religious man.
Interesting that you think the swearing in of the POTUS isn't religious, considering it's done on a bible.
You need to do some reading on the fundamentalist religions in the US before you state what you think is and isn't silly.
You're totally wrong about the End Times and Christian Fundamentalists.
But what else is new.
Nothing.
I'm not the one denying it.
I'm not remotely intolerant. Nice straw man.
However, I think we deserve to know what he thinks about Christian Fundamentalists and the End-Timers. Don't you? Wouldn't you be interested to know whether or not he's a believer?
I'm not the one denying it.
I'm not remotely intolerant. Nice straw man.
However, I think we deserve to know what he thinks about Christian Fundamentalists and the End-Timers. Don't you? Wouldn't you be interested to know whether or not he's a believer?
I know who he is and I know what he is.Ranger68 said:
I was given the choice between a decent man and an opportunist from Boston.
I went with the dectn one. Is he perfect? Hell know., but who is?
I know his faith and I have no problem with it. it would be wrong to condem someone for what he believes in. I know of no law that forbids that.Ranger68 said:
I just don't see the same big conspiracy that you see.
Toolerance to opposing views is a rare commodity on this site, and this apllies to all here.n_v said:
Nobody is espousing condemning someone because of their faith. But their faith might lead them to espouse ideas which people have a right to know about.langeweile said:
No conspiracy at all.
And you're still evading the question.
LOL You don't know Bush's faith. At all.
No I have not read the book "The Faith" if that is what you refer to.Ranger68 said:
Yes, I am familiar with the belief system of the born again christians and the rapture.
I judge him by his actions, not by his words. All to often he says certain things( like all politiciams do) to solidify his base. None of his actions reflects anything that is writtten about in the rapture.
Call me lazy but this is as far as I’ve been willing to go:Ranger68 said:You guys need to read The Faith of George W. Bush before you put words in his mouth about his faith.
Wouldn't you think that's a good idea?
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The Faith of George W. Bush
By Stephen Mansfield
Review by Betsy Foster
Some fear it while others praise it, but nearly everyone has noticed it. George W. Bush genuinely believes in Christianity, and he isn't afraid to integrate it with politics. In The Faith of George W. Bush, Stephen Mansfield chronicles Bush's journey of faith and attempts to explain its influence on Bush's actions and rhetoric
According to Mansfield, "The matter of [George W. Bush's] religious faith and his attempts to integrate faith as a whole into American public policy…is…one of the most unique characteristics of the Bush presidency and very possibly one of the most defining issues of our time."
As Mansfield notes, mixing Christianity and politics is nothing new. All American presidents have spoken openly of religion. John F. Kennedy included more scripture references in his speeches than any other president before him. At the time of America's founding, Congress used public funds to send missionaries to the Indians, hire chaplains, and print Bibles. Federal buildings were used for church services, and presidents declared days of prayer and fasting.
Nevertheless, Mansfield believes that Bush is unique among recent presidents because his references to religion are more than just words in speeches. Bush's Christianity naturally comes out in his everyday actions. For example, at Walter Reed Medical Center, upon seeing a badly wounded soldier who had lost his left hand and whose face was wired together, Bush took the stump of the man's hand, reverently bowed down, and prayed. Then Bush kissed the man's head and told him he loved him.
Bush believes Jesus Christ is his savior, and he seeks to integrate his faith into his politics. As governor of Texas, Bush actively worked to change the state laws so that faith-based organizations could receive funding for performing social work. He is striving now to implement a similar plan on a national level.
Bush's integration of his faith and politics has led many to fear that Bush is aiming to establish some sort of theocracy, but in reality, Mansfield argues, Bush has no intention to destroy the traditional separation of church and state. Bush is not a "preacher-in-chief." Unlike the leading Christian religious leaders, Bush refused to speak of Islam as evil following September 11. In fact, Bush even called Islam a religion of "peace" while speaking at the Islamic Center of Washington. Additionally, while governor of Texas, Bush refused to delay the execution of a convicted murder that had become a Christian.
Mansfield believes that it is through understanding the "ultimate concern" of a man that one can begin to understand the man himself. In The Faith of George W. Bush, Mansfield seeks to capture and explain Bush's ultimate concern: his relationship with Jesus Christ.
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An incredibly brief summary of the book, though I think the conclusions the reviewer reaches are essentially those of the author.
Nevertheless, there are MANY examples from the book which lead me to believe that Bush may actually be a much different type of president than the one described as an innocent and innocuous Christian. As we all know, not all who follow the Christian faith are peace-loving, nor are those who follow the Muslim faith.
I think questions regarding Bush's faith, especially as it applies to Born-Again Christians and the End Times are very valid.
Nevertheless, there are MANY examples from the book which lead me to believe that Bush may actually be a much different type of president than the one described as an innocent and innocuous Christian. As we all know, not all who follow the Christian faith are peace-loving, nor are those who follow the Muslim faith.
I think questions regarding Bush's faith, especially as it applies to Born-Again Christians and the End Times are very valid.
Ranger here you go again.Ranger68 said:You guys need to read The Faith of George W. Bush before you put words in his mouth about his faith.
Wouldn't you think that's a good idea?
You read one book and you conclude *well somebody wrote it, it must be true".
This book came out in the middle of the election campaign. Why do you think it came out than and not earlier or later???
If it would be such a big deal, don't you think the "media" would have had a feast on it?
The fact is, it came out, it produced some hoopla and now it's over.
Can you point me to another source, that proclaims the same?
Agreed I haven't read the book, and i probably never will for the reasons above.
It is a contemporary opinion book and only history will show it's value.
I don't think atheist short young know-it-all kids are all peace loving either, what is your point. If your point is that by being a Christian or born-again he's dangerous I'd say that is bigoted. If you think he's trying to bring about the end of the world so he can take the express train to heaven then I'd point you to Goober - he can get you a good price on a used tin-foil hat.Ranger68 said:
We get that you don't like Bush - believe me.
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