Don't be left behind

[langeweile]

Really? What other president has made such a statement?

It's an excerpt from The Faith of George W. Bush by Stephen Mansfield.
You'll just have to read it.

Maybe you should add one of your own prime ministers

" The private personality of Mackenzie King was more exotic, as his diaries show. A devout Christian, Mackenzie King believed in an afterlife, and consulted fortune tellers, communicated with his dead relatives in seances, and pursued "psychical research." He was also extremely superstitious."

 

[papasmerf]

Think maybe it is ment to be missleading and devisive?

 

[Ranger68]

Mackenzie King was a nut.

Is it your point that Bush and Mackenzie King are two of a sort?

LOL

Thanks. I concur.

But, to be fair, you said "presidents". Let's hear some quotes.

 

[strange1]

Maybe you should add one of your own prime ministers

" The private personality of Mackenzie King was more exotic, as his diaries show. A devout Christian, Mackenzie King believed in an afterlife, and consulted fortune tellers, communicated with his dead relatives in seances, and pursued "psychical research." He was also extremely superstitious."

What century was that in? (rhetorical question)

 

[papasmerf]

(Someone should remind papasmerf that he's on Ignore and I can't see his posts. Perhaps I should post a dictionary definition of Ignore for him. LOL )

Anyway, for those who are interested in rational discourse, to deny the existence of a far-right wing, very powerful extremist movement in Christian circles in the United States is, I think, to deny a frightening reality.

You are at best a sad adolesent.

Likely less.

 

[red]

keep arguing- you are all being left behind. hahahahahahaha

 

[papasmerf]

LOL

So when is the rapture scheduled for???????????????

 

[langeweile]

with firmness in the right as G-d gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations." (March 4, 1865

Lincoln

The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations." George Washington's letter of August 20, 1778 to Brig. General Thomas Nelson


"Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee." George Washington's prayer at Valley Forge

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." President Adams, July 4, 1821

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were.... the general principles of Christianity." -- John Adams in letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 28, 1813
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever." President Thomas Jefferson

"The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart." President Thomas Jefferson

James Monroe,
"The liberty, prosperity, and the happiness of our country will always be the object of my most fervent prayers to the Supreme Author of All Good." March 5, 1821 in his Second Inaugural Address
"The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests." President Andrew Jackson

"With malice toward none; charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations." Immediately afterwards, Lincoln kissed the Bible, bowed, and retired from the platform. Abraham Lincoln's 2nd inaugural address, March 4th, 1865


“To every man who faces life with real desire to do his part in everything, I appeal for a study of the Bible." President Theodore Roosevelt

"America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scriptures. Ladies and gentlemen, I have a very simple thing to ask of you. I as of every man and woman in this audience that from this night on they will realize that part of the destiny of America lies in their daily perusal of this great book of revelations. That if they would see America free and pure they will make their own spirits free and pure by this baptism of the Holy Scripture." Woodrow Wilson, 1911, pre-Presidential campaign speech.

"The study of the Bible is a post-graduate course in the richest library of human experience." President Herbert Hoover

 

[langeweile]

Ranger...if you need more let me know

 

[red]

"Dear lord, please send me a goodlooking intern"
Clinton

 

[papasmerf]

"Dear lord, please send me a goodlooking intern"
Clinton

Hmmmmmm
Monica??????????????

 

[red]

god works in mysterious ways

 

[papasmerf]

And bill married hillery
so there is no accounting for tastes

 

[onthebottom]

Billary is running in 08, slick is already interviewing interns.

The First Letch has a nice ring to it.

"In God we trust". My one dollar Bill.

OTB

 

[strange1]

I'd still like someone to explain why the article is "silly" or "extremism".

 

[strange1]

How relevent are these quotes? The vast majority are from more than 150 years ago, when the western world considered you were evil incarnate if you were even the wrong type of Christian. The most recent 70 plus years. Even Rosevelt's and Hoover's quotes could easily be construed as an attempt to encourage a common ground for people to work with.

The modern west is officially accepting of an individual's right to follow whatever faith they choose as long as it doesn't interfere with other's rights. I find it strange that the current president's quotes jive with those of the founders of the country, considering that the majority of the opinions of the founders (on slavery, equality, and tolerance of diversity for example) would result in a modern public figure being severely chastised. Every other president since the 50's has realized that the US is no longer a place reserved only for Christians and have at least appeared to publically support the separation of church and state. Although I was not hugely impressed with Kerry's performances in the debates, (they only looked good by comparison) his answer to a question in the public forum was a good answer. Essentially he stated that the POTUS job is to reflect the views of the people, not enforce his personal views.


Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians do exist and have a high level of support in parts of the US. Bush wants support from them so whether or not he belives in "the Rapture" he will run with their views, as long as they are not significantly different from his own in terms of official policy. I would love to see some facts that show that:

a) fundamentalism does not exist in Christianity,
b) there is not a powerful fundamentalist lobby in the states,
c) that W. is not fundamentalist or,
d) the majority of fundamentalist do not support israel and a Jewish presence in Jerusalem as a means to allow the second coming.

Until someone disputes the issue with some support, I will consider opinons against the article as "silly" or "extremism"

 

[Asterix]

Interesting quotes langeweile. More than a few of which would be political suicide if uttered today, especially Jefferson's that Christianity is the only religion that can change the heart. Ouch.

Still, in all these quotes I didn't see one where a past president had claimed God had specifically called on him to run and save the country, as George W. Bush has. Perhaps I missed something.

Lincoln also said, and I'm paraphrasing, "In every great conflict each side claims to move by the will of God. Both may be, but one must be, wrong. God can not be for and against the same thing at the same time."

Said during the beginning of the Civil War, Lincoln was trying to remind both the North and South the dangers of evoking God to justify a cause.

 

[papasmerf]

Inaugural Address
President John F. Kennedy
Washington, D.C.
January 20, 1961


"We observe today not a victory of party but a celebration of freedom--symbolizing an end as well as a beginning--signifying renewal as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.

The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God."



"Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own."

Source:
http://www.jfklibrary.org/j012061.htm


Even Kennedy beleved in God.

 

[strange1]

Even Kennedy beleved in God.

Look out. Don quioxte will be mad.

We're not talking about belief in god. It's the belief that god has chosen you to lead that is only a few centuries out of date.

 

[Ranger68]

with firmness in the right as G-d gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations." (March 4, 1865

Lincoln

The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations." George Washington's letter of August 20, 1778 to Brig. General Thomas Nelson


"Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee." George Washington's prayer at Valley Forge

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." President Adams, July 4, 1821

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were.... the general principles of Christianity." -- John Adams in letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 28, 1813
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever." President Thomas Jefferson

"The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart." President Thomas Jefferson

James Monroe,
"The liberty, prosperity, and the happiness of our country will always be the object of my most fervent prayers to the Supreme Author of All Good." March 5, 1821 in his Second Inaugural Address
"The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests." President Andrew Jackson

"With malice toward none; charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations." Immediately afterwards, Lincoln kissed the Bible, bowed, and retired from the platform. Abraham Lincoln's 2nd inaugural address, March 4th, 1865


“To every man who faces life with real desire to do his part in everything, I appeal for a study of the Bible." President Theodore Roosevelt

"America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scriptures. Ladies and gentlemen, I have a very simple thing to ask of you. I as of every man and woman in this audience that from this night on they will realize that part of the destiny of America lies in their daily perusal of this great book of revelations. That if they would see America free and pure they will make their own spirits free and pure by this baptism of the Holy Scripture." Woodrow Wilson, 1911, pre-Presidential campaign speech.

"The study of the Bible is a post-graduate course in the richest library of human experience." President Herbert Hoover

What are you talking about?
Presidents who quote the bible?!

What the FUCK does that have to do with anything?!
LOL

Bush didn't QUOTE the bible, he interpreted a private message from the Lord that he was meant, by divine will, to hold the highest office.

?
What didn't you understand about that?

I'll wait for any relevant quotes.
Perhaps you can find a website full of divine messages to presidents.