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Does anyone believe that Al-Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by the HAMAs?

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Hey if the Jewish has space lasers that can alter voting machines like Marge Greene says, certainly this is possible too
The world is going mad. People are so entrenched, whether “right wingers” who think vaccines have chips in them, or “Left wingers” ( there’s enough partisan, heels dug in the sand here, and acrimony here) who think heavy ordinance that flattens buildings would leave cars where they are, and a crime scene that is oh so clean. Never mind a crater visible from “space”

It’s just so much easier to believe Israel would do something with advanced guided weaponry that’s reliable and accurate that might turn the world against them. All it would take is a couple fragments.

Then it is to believe a terrorist group with inferior weapons didn’t screw up, or potentially/possibly didn’t do it intentionally. I wouldn’t put it past IJ.

Even then the claims of 500 dead, and Drs that have been up all night saving lives, in pristine frocks, groomed hair, looking like they just came out from a spa day..Never mind the utter improbability of that body count without utterly flattening everything around.

What miraculous explosive materials do virtually no physical damage ( relatively speaking) but leave everything nearby intact.

For reference just Google what a couple thousand pounds of ammonium nitrate left of a building and parking lot in Oaklahoma. But nope, that’s too hard for some to do.
 
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The hard core Israel supporters supported it when they thought Israel did it and now are willing to accept the IDF investigating themselves.
The rest of the world knows that Israel has already bombed 7 hospitals out of commission, has stopped all food, water and power and that the remaining hospitals are down to using vinegar as disinfectant.

The people who won't accept what Hamas says accept blindly what the IDF says.

Gaza doctors using vinegar to treat wounds

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None of those are airburst, though.

The high death count and low damage makes it look like it had to be an airburst, people are killed by concussion wave, not shrapnel.
Its designed to kill as many people as possible, not make the biggest amount of destruction.

Your 500 lb bomb video was a ground explosion, which this clearly wasn't.

Same sound as this one bomb attack on another Gaza hospital
Did not say or imply they were airburst and as I have state before, this was not an airburst..
 

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It also looks like the explosion was lower than 30 metres from the video, though its unclear.
You can't see the entire explosion in the video, the bottom is blocked.

What we do know is that the IDF has repeatedly posted fake video and audio to back up their claim and they have bombed 5 other hospitals and just a couple of hours ago a 1000 year old Greek Orthodox church.

So far you think it looked and sounded like a JDAM but only think the explosion doesn't look like what you expect, is that a correct summary?

It was a ground explosion, I will explain in a later post.
Your summary is correct.
 
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Did not say or imply they were airburst and as I have state before, this was not an airburst..
That was my theory.
The latest one is that was an artillery shell.

It was a ground explosion, I will explain in a later post.
Your summary is correct.
The forensic video analyzed the direction and explosion to be an artillery shell fired from Israel, the opposite direction of the intercepted Islamic Jihad rocket.
 

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PeteO also pointed towards evidence that rules out an Islamic Jihad rocket.
From what I've understood from his posts he's just uncertain about the explosion size but is still not comparing it to an airburst weapon.
I have stated at least twice before that it was not an airburst weapon.
 

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I have stated at least twice before that it was not an airburst weapon.
Yes, you have, I'm not denying that.
I said that the reports I read suggested that as a possibility.

What do you have to say about the analysis of where it came from by the forensic people?
 

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That was my theory.
The latest one is that was an artillery shell.



The forensic video analyzed the direction and explosion to be an artillery shell fired from Israel, the opposite direction of the intercepted Islamic Jihad rocket.
I thought the impact direction was from the direction of Israel at first, which is from the right to the left in the first picture, as I had posted this earlier.
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"Looks to me like three impact sites with two craters.
The first is indicated.
The second is at the front of where the overtured car was parked.
The third impact point seems to be at the damaged railing in the second picture.
In both pictures, trees and grass in the courtyard are unburnt, no visible shrapnel damage to the cars, buildings or solar panels on the roofs as well as the windows at ground level are blown out under the awnings which would indicate the explosion occured at ground level."
Has anyone seen any reports on fragments of the rocket or bomb from the site?"
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However, I admit, I was wrong about the three impact points and now I know the damage goes from the left to the right in the first picture..
I stopped over to talk to a friend if mine who is a communications tech in the CAF, he has been deployed 4 times to Afghanistan and I recalled him telling me about calling in airstrikes.
I figured I would ask him what he thought.
I showed him the two other close to hospital videos Frank posted earlier and he agreed that one was a JDAM and the other was a Hellfire explaining the hellfire has a little more crisp and longer sound due to the speed difference.
When he saw the eyewitness video of the parking lot impact he immediatley said " That's a JDAM strike about a 1000 pounder"
Upon seeing the pictures below he said this is not the impact site of the eyewitness video,"No way, no how!".
He said the damage would be consistent with a small rocket with a charge between 5 to 15 pounds depending on the explosive.
This converts to 2 to 7 kg.
Just to note the Qassam 1 rocket has a charge of 5 kg.
He wondered if because of the amount of fire damage it maybe had some type of incendiary weapon attached to it as well.
Jokingly saying "like a molotov cocktail duct taped to it."
He indicated from the second picture that the spalling on the ground of the charge goes toward the fence indicated by both the railing being bent around and the curbing being blown towards the grass.
Also in the first picture the concrete wall by the ambulance had been pushed in the diretion of the grasy aa.
The overturned car was impacted at the rear flipping it and pushing the car that was beside it into the burnt out flatbed truck next to it.
The debris field behind the overturned car is most likely from the contents of the trunk burning and were removed or burnt to ashes.
In the second picture you can see the damage to the right hand side of the car, behind the guy in white coveralls, with the doors being blown into the vehicle.
He also noticed it looks like a piece of the casing of a rocket is still in the crater.
He had heard of this strike but never saw the pidtures and said that anyone in the area would be seriously injured or killed and anyone on the lawn between the bulding and blown in fence would have been bombarded with shrapnel and debris from the curb and the fence and anything in between, leaving anyone in that area of the blast with little chance to survive..



He also said When you look at the impact direction of the rocket defined by the blast pattern on the ground, on google maps it is in a SW to NE direction
The top of this map is north.
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When we zoomed out and went in a straight line backtracking to try to find a launch site, he mentioned to look for abandoned lots in close proximity to buildings.
In Afghanistan he mentioned this was SOP to launch, tear down and run into neighbouring buildings to avoid counter battery fire.
We found three or four possible launch sites, all of them in the Gaza strip, but without knowing how long the rocket was in the air there was no definite way to pinpoint a location.
 
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the IDFhad tracked a number of missels from the same locations. Those mussels are apparently not very reliable and have a fairly high failure rate. When I he engine fails it drops like a rock and if it is close to takeoff the fuselage is still full of fuel.

does anybody seriously think that if the idf wanted to take out a hospital they would hit a parking lot? The hospital was and is intact apart from damage from the falling missile.
Very likely that it was Hamas' mortar strikes although there are certain discrepancies that need to be ironed out first:

Investigations reveal discrepancies in Israel’s Gaza hospital attack claims
As Israel bombards Gaza, media organisations and researchers are investigating what happened at the al-Ahli Arab Hospital where officials say hundreds were killed.

 

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That was my theory.
The latest one is that was an artillery shell.



The forensic video analyzed the direction and explosion to be an artillery shell fired from Israel, the opposite direction of the intercepted Islamic Jihad rocket.
Can you provide this third party analysis?
I checked the one you posted and it says nothing about an artillery shell and agrees with my friends assesment of the impact direction based on the blast damage.
 

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Very likely that it was Hamas' mortar strikes although there are certain discrepancies that need to be ironed out first:

Investigations reveal discrepancies in Israel’s Gaza hospital attack claims
As Israel bombards Gaza, media organisations and researchers are investigating what happened at the al-Ahli Arab Hospital where officials say hundreds were killed.

There are only discrepancies by people looking for discrepancies whether they exist or not. Dont rely on Israel. rely on US intelligence assessments.
 

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No surprise here

French military intelligence says Israeli strike not behind Gaza hospital blast


A blast at a Gaza hospital was not the result of an Israeli missile strike, but likely caused by a misfiring Palestinian rocket, the French military intelligence directorate (DRM) said on Friday.

Palestinian officials said 471 people were killed in the blast at Al-Ahli al-Arabi Hospital on Tuesday. Gaza's health ministry blamed an Israeli air strike, while Israel said the blast was caused by a failed rocket launch by militants.

"There is nothing that allows us to say that it is an Israeli strike, but the most likely (scenario) is a Palestinian rocket that had a firing incident," the DRM said.

An unclassified US intelligence report seen by Reuters on Thursday said it judged that Israel was not responsible for the blast and estimated the death toll at 100-300 people.

According to the DRM, the impact crater was too small to have been caused by an Israeli missile.

"The most likely hypothesis is a Palestinian rocket, which exploded with a charge of about 5 kilos," the DRM told reporters, adding that Palestinian groups had small-caliber rockets with that sort of explosive charge.

The DRM does not usually release such information, but on the instruction of President Emmanuel Macron decided to make its findings public given the contrasting accounts about who is responsible.

It ruled out various possibilities, including fragments from Israel's Iron Dome air defense system or intercepted missiles being the cause.

Part of the analysis was based on open-source material ranging from the light structural damage at the hospital, including some broken windows, few destroyed vehicles and the relatively limited presence of civilian belongings at the blast site.

 
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No surprise here

French military intelligence says Israeli strike not behind Gaza hospital blast


A blast at a Gaza hospital was not the result of an Israeli missile strike, but likely caused by a misfiring Palestinian rocket, the French military intelligence directorate (DRM) said on Friday.

Palestinian officials said 471 people were killed in the blast at Al-Ahli al-Arabi Hospital on Tuesday. Gaza's health ministry blamed an Israeli air strike, while Israel said the blast was caused by a failed rocket launch by militants.

"There is nothing that allows us to say that it is an Israeli strike, but the most likely (scenario) is a Palestinian rocket that had a firing incident," the DRM said.

An unclassified US intelligence report seen by Reuters on Thursday said it judged that Israel was not responsible for the blast and estimated the death toll at 100-300 people.

According to the DRM, the impact crater was too small to have been caused by an Israeli missile.

"The most likely hypothesis is a Palestinian rocket, which exploded with a charge of about 5 kilos," the DRM told reporters, adding that Palestinian groups had small-caliber rockets with that sort of explosive charge.

The DRM does not usually release such information, but on the instruction of President Emmanuel Macron decided to make its findings public given the contrasting accounts about who is responsible.

It ruled out various possibilities, including fragments from Israel's Iron Dome air defense system or intercepted missiles being the cause.

Part of the analysis was based on open-source material ranging from the light structural damage at the hospital, including some broken windows, few destroyed vehicles and the relatively limited presence of civilian belongings at the blast site.

This is the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn here. Every recognized intelligence agency agrees as well.

However the anti Israel pro terrorist supporters will continue with their campaign of deflection and misinformation.
 
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