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Does anyone believe that Al-Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by the HAMAs?

dirtydaveiii

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Same old Frank.


Let’s also, completely ignore that most/all terrorist groups in that area of the world do it.

Unlike actual freedom fighters.
Was the hospital in the area ordered by Israel to evacuate ? If so why were there civilians there ? In urban warfare you must attack civilian locations which will result in civilian casualties. There is no other way to counter attack.
 

dirtydaveiii

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This is the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn here. Every recognized intelligence agency agrees as well.

However the anti Israel pro terrorist supporters will continue with their campaign of deflection and misinformation.
Isn't the source of the article the same fake news and corrupt government that lies to get trump ?
 

Frankfooter

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IDF has admitted as much.

Hamas uses hostages, the civilians of Gaza, hospital property, staff, patients as human and humanitarian shields.

As explained, the circumstances of the strike, precise blast location/area and the prior warnings to hospitals bear this out.

It is wholly conceivable and probable and most likely.
Please provide proof of this claim that doesn't come from the IDF.

Explain how this is happening if Israel is only targeting Hamas.
70 percent of killed in Gaza are women, children, elderly: Ministry

80 percent of Gaza burns victims are children, but no dressings available: Doctor


Explain this.
Israeli army warns anyone refusing to leave Gaza City will be considered a ‘terrorist’

Private homes can be ‘legitimate’ targets: Israel military


This is an excuse for Nakba 2.0, the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
 

y2kmark

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Hamas should have known this would happen and made safe guards and preparations for their beloved citizens before they launched their attack. Seems like a careless lack of planning on their part, at best.
When it comes to attacks on civilians, HAMAS can dish it out, but they can't take it...
 

toguy5252

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Hamas should have known this would happen and made safe guards and preparations for their beloved citizens before they launched their attack. Seems like a careless lack of planning on their part, at best.
you do not understand. Of course they knew. The entire point was to provoke Israel. They exploit death and destruction to fan the flames of hate against Israel and Jews.
 

Happyhomer

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Wow. I’m impressed that people like Frankfooter can be so delusional. Wrong every single time. Promote lies and ignore all facts. It is indeed impressive.
 

basketcase

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I'm sure Franky will say something about Jewish control of the media but AP's analysis agrees with every other analysis that a failed rocket is by far the most likely cause.


But they use the Al Jazeera video that Frank claims doesn't exist.


The AP reached its conclusion by reviewing more than a dozen videos from news broadcasts, security cameras and social media posts, and matching the locations to satellite imagery and photos from before the explosion.

A key video in the analysis came shortly before 7 p.m. local time, when the Arabic-language news channel Al Jazeera was airing live coverage of the Gaza City skyline. As a correspondent speaks, the camera pans to zoom in on a volley of rockets being fired from the ground nearby.
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AP photos taken the morning after Tuesday’s explosion showed no evidence of a large crater at the impact site that would be consistent with a bomb like those dropped by Israeli aircraft in other recent strikes. The hospital buildings surrounding the outdoor area at the center of the explosion were still standing and did not appear to suffer significant structural damage.

A small crater photographed in the hospital’s parking lot appeared to be about a meter across, suggesting a device with a much smaller explosive payload than a bomb. While Israel’s extensive arsenal includes smaller missiles that can be fired from helicopters and drones, there has been no public evidence of such missile strikes in the area around the al-Ahli Arab Hospital on Tuesday night.
 

basketcase

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From what I'm hearing in all this advanced weaponry jargon, a single explosion killed around 500 people at one time, and yet it's not considered a weapon of mass destruction. A half dozen get squashed trying to gawk at a deep shipwreck and the world mourns. Things just keep getting scarier, not even counting Friday he 13th and Haloween coming up...
So are you now going to condemn the Palestinian faction that launched the rocket?
 

basketcase

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Here you go.
Wait, are you now trying to claim that Kautilia is really and Israeli and all his hindu sorry...Indian nationalistic posts have just been a cover because he knew that Hamas would attack Israelis?

And you think Butt and younger are Israelis too? Is everyone who disagrees with you a secret Jew? As I said, you really need to take a mental health break.
 

basketcase

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Something else I’ve noticed. Maybe it’s something, maybe it’s nothing. I noticed it when I first read this article. The entire area for lack of better words seems “sanitized”…especially if “500” people were killed by the shock wave, or debris…
The numbers have varied. Franky claimed 800, Hamas claimed 500, other estimates are 100-300 which could be accurate based on the burst from blazing propellant seen in the videos.
 
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basketcase

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IDF has admitted as much.

Hamas uses hostages, the civilians of Gaza, hospital property, staff, patients as human and humanitarian shields.

As explained, the circumstances of the strike, precise blast location/area and the prior warnings to hospitals bear this out.

It is wholly conceivable and probable and most likely.
Frank will claims that's Jewish propaganda no matter what Hamas actually says.
 

Frankfooter

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I'm sure Franky will say something about Jewish control of the media but AP's analysis agrees with every other analysis that a failed rocket is by far the most likely cause.


But they use the Al Jazeera video that Frank claims doesn't exist.


The AP reached its conclusion by reviewing more than a dozen videos from news broadcasts, security cameras and social media posts, and matching the locations to satellite imagery and photos from before the explosion.

A key video in the analysis came shortly before 7 p.m. local time, when the Arabic-language news channel Al Jazeera was airing live coverage of the Gaza City skyline. As a correspondent speaks, the camera pans to zoom in on a volley of rockets being fired from the ground nearby.
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AP photos taken the morning after Tuesday’s explosion showed no evidence of a large crater at the impact site that would be consistent with a bomb like those dropped by Israeli aircraft in other recent strikes. The hospital buildings surrounding the outdoor area at the center of the explosion were still standing and did not appear to suffer significant structural damage.

A small crater photographed in the hospital’s parking lot appeared to be about a meter across, suggesting a device with a much smaller explosive payload than a bomb. While Israel’s extensive arsenal includes smaller missiles that can be fired from helicopters and drones, there has been no public evidence of such missile strikes in the area around the al-Ahli Arab Hospital on Tuesday night.
None of the reports are conclusive, basketcase. All say they can't tell for sure.

So I'm going with the multiple reports from the hospital that Israel hit it the day before with two warning shells and then warned the hospital.
Do I need to post the FB posts from the day before stating that doctors were injured by Israeli shells?
 

Frankfooter

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The numbers have varied. Franky claimed 800, Hamas claimed 500, other estimates are 100-300 which could be accurate based on the burst from blazing propellant seen in the videos.
The US says lower numbers and they also say they are against anyone investigating.
Of course, since it was likely their weapons that were fired they want to block it.

 

basketcase

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None of the reports are conclusive, basketcase. All say they can't tell for sure.
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Yet you claim to be 100% sure that Israel did it even though every analysis says an high or extremely high probability its was a failed Gaza rocket.

The US says lower numbers and they also say they are against anyone investigating.
Of course, since it was likely their weapons that were fired they want to block it.

You excuses are getting dumber every day. Do you really think that FB and tweets are more reliable than full video and image analysis by experts?

BTW. Are you still denying that Al Jazeera filmed the whole thing?
 

shapeup1

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It has happened in all the wars, the rockets fall down in Gaza and then hamas decries it was Israeli strike. The picture show damage to the parking lot, some glass from the windows of the hospital and that's it. There was no 500 dead and it was Ham asses fault.

Footage shows: Failed rocket launches fall within Gaza

IDF source confirms: 550 failed launches fell inside Gaza since the start of Hamas' war with Israel two weeks ago.


Since the beginning of the war, the IDF has identified about 550 failed launches that fell inside Gaza, an IDF source said.

According to the IDF, "The Hamas terrorist organization uses the residents of the Gaza Strip as human shields, and launches rockets from civilian infrastructure, areas and buildings in the Gaza Strip."

"Since the beginning of the war, the IDF has identified about 550 failed launches fired by Hamas that landed inside the Gaza Strip."

Earlier this week, Hamas claimed that Israel attacked a Gaza hospital, killing hundreds of civilians.

The claim was later debunked, by footage and other evidence proving that the blast had been caused by a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket which fell in the hospital parking lot, and not by an Israeli airstrike.

 

y2kmark

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It's like the evidence for that assassination in BC. If they told you they would have to kill you. Facts surrounding the missile strike exist and will come out eventually. So far, it's all speculation...
 
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