Do all Sp's feel this way?

[Master Baiter]

I've recently spent more than 8hrs with a very sought after and elusive SP and I had to encourage her to take the money and in the end after much bantering, she only took for 1hr worth of her time. I see her more of a friend than an SP and even if there was no sex, I'd feel like a king just spending time chatting and laughing our arses off. If she hated her job and felt every guy just wanted her for sex, I wouldn't be so lucky for her to spend that much of her own time with me.

This girl has opened my eyes to the escorting industry big time. Lots of dirty secrets etc. (they've been confirmed by other SP's in the industry) enough so that I've pretty much retired from this hobby. I'm working on getting her to quit and go back to school! Some of you guys will hate me if I succeed. lol

I guess it pays to be nice and respectful to people sometimes.

 

[friendz4evr]

You know Jade, before I started in seeing SP's I never thought I could actually "care" about someone who I paid to have sex with. But there have been a couple of SP's that I am really fond of and whose company I genuinely enjoy. I think I could actually spend time with some girls with NO SEX and still have a good time. (of course with sex is better lol). Some women are just , well, wonderful women. Some men look at SP's as whores who are to be disrepected. But I see SPs and clients at the exact same level of morality (whatever one thinks that is). I think being a good SP brings positive karma as one is giving a fellow human being a great deal of pleasure.

My feelings exactly. It is not difficult to "care" about someone (or two) if they show in many ways that they care about you too.

 

[y2kmark]

Hang in there, SM ...

ok there Mr i have over 1000 posts, i'll get a review in eventually. I need more research to make a worthwhile review

Nothing wrong with xtra research - esp. the "in-depth" kind

 

[petitelover]

My feelings exactly. It is not difficult to "care" about someone (or two) if they show in many ways that they care about you too.

I agree but the difficulty is determing if they really care about you and not your money. I think this holds true not only with SP's but civvie girls. I am fortunate enough to have several high end automobiles and I once borrowed my friends car (a newer pontiac G6 - a very nice car) and didn't have time to go home and get my own car and picked up a civvie for a date. We went out and I thought we had a nice time and at the end of the night she told me she was looking for a guy that was more financially secure - lol! I asked her how could she make the determination that I wasn't and she said anyone that drives a pontiac isn't. I thanked her and thought to myself what a shallow and manipulative person she is. I didn't even mention that one of my cars cost more than her condo. Originally I thought she was sweet and kind and she thought I didn't have two pennies to rub together - never judge a book by it's cover works both ways.

 

[futurelegend]

You are mixing business with pleasure. The lady is not your girlfriend. If you are seeing her during time that she is scheduled to work, you are potentially costing her money.
Cupids, http://www.cupidsescorts.ca/rates-toronto.html, and
GOE http://www.gardenofedenescorts.com/goe/packageddates.html

and perhaps others, offer multi-hour packages if you would like to spend more time with the lady. I think you are better off going through the agency,
rather than risk the lady's position with her agency.

I understand this and have never had the illusion that any of the girls I have been with wanted to be my girlfriend, or vise-versa. I understand that their time is extremely valuable to them and that they must account for time spent...or not spent, for that matter.

The underlying point to this thread has become, is it about ONLY the money? Some girls have come on here and mentioned that it is NOT strictly about the dollars for them, so the question was posed for that very reason...if it is NOT strictly about the money, then would they ever give up their own free time to spend a couple of hours 'off-the-clock' with a client, because they considered that person a friend as well. We have had people on here professing that they have had SPs that stayed long after the paid for time, so would something actually scheduled be much different?

I understand that there are services out there to pay a lady for her time to go to dinner, followed by business...I would assume that if you are paying for an escort, that the time spent can be doing almost whatever you want...playing chess or cards, if that is how you choose to spend your money. My question goes outside of the 'typical' client/SP relationship....

 

[futurelegend]

I agree but the difficulty is determing if they really care about you and not your money. I think this holds true not only with SP's but civvie girls. I am fortunate enough to have several high end automobiles and I once borrowed my friends car (a newer pontiac G6 - a very nice car) and didn't have time to go home and get my own car and picked up a civvie for a date. We went out and I thought we had a nice time and at the end of the night she told me she was looking for a guy that was more financially secure - lol! I asked her how could she make the determination that I wasn't and she said anyone that drives a pontiac isn't. I thanked her and thought to myself what a shallow and manipulative person she is. I didn't even mention that one of my cars cost more than her condo. Originally I thought she was sweet and kind and she thought I didn't have two pennies to rub together - never judge a book by it's cover works both ways.

I love this story, because it's so true. I have a good friend that owns a few hotels and restaurants and (obviously) does quite well for himself. Although he has always grown up with money, he was raised with strong values and is a very down-to-earth guy. He actually owns a 'beater' specifically to go out with girls that he feels he might like to actually date, just to see how they react. He often won't let on that he has money until he's been out with a girl a half dozen times or more...as far as they know, he manages a restaurant or works at a hotel.

 

[tired old perv]

she told me she was looking for a guy that was more financially secure

I had an SP tell me that, that is what a woman looks for in a man.

Well then baby, if all you want a guy for is money, don't bitch to me when he doesn't love you.

 

[petitelover]

I know Sheik doesn't need any more notoriety but I will always remember a comment he made. "If money is involved, it ain't love baby!" As basic as that statement is, it holds the answer to this thread. Those that think they "wowed" her in bed or made her world spin, ask yourself this question - Was money involved? If it was, who knows what the real truth is.

Some SP's might enjoy the companionship, others might not. Some guys might like the SP, and others might not. The only common denominator with SP's and John's in this hobby is how you really feel after the session. If its a great feeling - wonderful. On the other hand, I submit most have that lonely, depressed, used feeling.

 

[nottyboi]

"If money is involved, it ain't love baby!"

Dude, if you stand by that statement, then love is an illusion. Money is ALWAYS involved. Saying money if not involved is like saying breathing is optional.

 

[smylee52]

I've recently spent more than 8hrs with a very sought after and elusive SP and I had to encourage her to take the money and in the end after much bantering, she only took for 1hr worth of her time. I see her more of a friend than an SP and even if there was no sex, I'd feel like a king just spending time chatting and laughing our arses off. If she hated her job and felt every guy just wanted her for sex, I wouldn't be so lucky for her to spend that much of her own time with me.

This girl has opened my eyes to the escorting industry big time. Lots of dirty secrets etc. (they've been confirmed by other SP's in the industry) enough so that I've pretty much retired from this hobby. I'm working on getting her to quit and go back to school! Some of you guys will hate me if I succeed. lol

I guess it pays to be nice and respectful to people sometimes.

So the hot SP's have convinced you to stop hobbying . Why would they do that ?

 

[Serpent]

I had an SP tell me that, that is what a woman looks for in a man.

Well then baby, if all you want a guy for is money, don't bitch to me when he doesn't love you.

i dont think a girl who doesn't want to be in a complete beater is a gold digger. Especially if she herself is financially secure and a professional.

 

[petitelover]

Dude, if you stand by that statement, then love is an illusion. Money is ALWAYS involved. Saying money if not involved is like saying breathing is optional.

I agree from the strict meaning of that statement because money is the basis of our society; however, from the simplest act of handing money over for sex there cannot be love. It is completely nonsensical to believe it is a possible.

 

[Master Baiter]

So the hot SP's have convinced you to stop hobbying . Why would they do that ?

She didn't try to convince me to stop hobbying, I did it on my own. We chat all the time and during one of our "outside of work" meets, we got to talking about which agencies are good etc and she just gave me the inside scoop on how some agencies etc are run and how girls are mistreated sometimes by their bosses or clients. I knew everything she told me already but I had the "out of sight, out of mind" kind of mentality and turned a blind eye to what happens behind the scenes. Yes I know she could have very well been lying to me but I've spoken to a few other ladies who I've become friends with (why they keep confiding and becoming my friend is beyond me) in the past and their story was the same for certain agencies etc.

 

[Master Baiter]

I didn't even mention that one of my cars cost more than her condo. Originally I thought she was sweet and kind and she thought I didn't have two pennies to rub together - never judge a book by it's cover works both ways.

We got a few of those types at my work. They're uber friendly at work etc esp when they need something from you. You go to an event outside of work and unless you're one of the big cheeses, they don't know you exist. They're always up there clinging around the CEOs, CFOs, VPs etc. like vultures trying to advance their careers. Hey, some people are career driven and materialistic, other just want to have fun with their friends and enjoy life regardless of your financial status.

 

[smylee52]

"she just gave me the inside scoop on how some agencies etc are run and how girls are mistreated sometimes by their bosses or clients. I knew everything she told me already but I had the "out of sight, out of mind" kind of mentality and turned a blind eye to what happens behind the scenes.

Thanks for the clarification . I know that here are benefits to repeating with the same SP but I think you've just illustrated one of the drawbacks for me. Getting to know them on a personal level and getting them to open up can lead to finding out information that can detract from the fantasy . I prefer staying in blissful ignorance when I pay for my sex . I am content in the fact that I treat them well and am invariably accused of being a gentlemen or a nice guy and that works fine for me .

 

[Master Baiter]

Thanks for the clarification . I know that here are benefits to repeating with the same SP but I think you've just illustrated one of the drawbacks for me. Getting to know them on a personal level and getting them to open up can lead to finding out information that can detract from the fantasy . I prefer staying in blissful ignorance when I pay for my sex . I am content in the fact that I treat them well and am invariably accused of being a gentlemen or a nice guy and that works fine for me .

Indeed. Well I did have a lot of fun before I clicked with this particular SP and things got maybe too personal and the free flow of info killed it for me. The nice guy that I am, I can never look at an SP and not think of what probably goes on in her mind etc. Now I feel like Holden Caulfield trying to save 'em all. ARGH!

 

[petitelover]

Doc makes solid points to support his position and I don't disagree. However, to the extent that he and others in this hobby have to pay for pleasure and how they really feel is the question. To some it is a service - a tit for tat, a quid pro quo. Others might think although a service, its very personal and feelings are involved. Kudos to those that can legitimately separate the personal, sensual, feeling part of a session and treat it as sex for money. On the other hand, those people are the ones SP's probably complain about because they think if they pay for the session, they can do what they want and treat the SP like she is a lumpenproletariat.

Doc - by the way, did you collect your $5?

 

[nottyboi]

I agree from the strict meaning of that statement because money is the basis of our society; however, from the simplest act of handing money over for sex there cannot be love. It is completely nonsensical to believe it is a possible.

Anything is possible. I'm pretty sure someone, somewhere has fallen mutually in love with an SP and lived happily ever after. It's idiotic to go looking for this, but anything can happen.

 

[futurelegend]

Doc, I appreciate your comments and you make good points. I do have a friend who WAS an SP (we know each other from outside the hobby) and she has filled me in on some "Trade Secrets". I have never been with her sexually or romantically, but have a great relationship with her and she has given me a good insight into the industry (she's probably the reason that I started hobbying). I have a fair bit of respect for most of these girls and would never undervalue their time. I am also a business owner and appreciate the importance of holding the value of your skill. I have never completely offered my services to anyone that started as a client, free of charge...I may have done a bit of extra work and not have charged for it, but never completely free. The FIRST time you do that, you completely de-value your services and the professional relationship can never be the same.

I posed the question more as a means to get people to understand exactly what you just pointed out...these girls' time is definitely worth money to them and the first time that you actually cross the line of friendship where she would be willing to spend time with you on a personal level, can you ever really go back to paying for her companionship? It would definitely be a tight line to walk.

I am not completely turned off to the emotional side of the interaction, quite the contrary. I have found a few girls (and I am no where NEAR Doc Rodgers' 1000+ encounters) that have definitely intrigued me and I genuinely give a shit how they feel and what they think. I would still never cross that line to seeing them on a personal level, outside of our paid for, professional, environment. If a lady chooses to stay with me a bit later than our allotted time (and they have) I do not carry on in a sexual manner past our paid time. We might continue our conversation, I've even had an old favourite invite me to stay afterward to watch a movie, but NOTHING sexual continues past that point. Once the waters are muddied...it's VERY easy to get lost!

 

[petitelover]

.... I have found a few girls (and I am no where NEAR Doc Rodgers' 1000+ encounters) that have definitely intrigued me and I genuinely give a shit how they feel and what they think.

No doubt some guys give a shit how they feel, but do the girls give a shit about the guys? If you have the ability to pay them - yes. If not, they drop you faster than a bad habit. There are always exceptions to the rule but hey run few and far between.