Demi Lovato
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A closed mind never knows the difference And it is still a sad existence.
We are not talking sex, we are talking gender. Gender is fluid. Deal with it. LOL.
You may not want to change but the world is already doing it for you. Whether you like it or not.
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There is no difference between gender and sex. Gender is decidedly NOT fluid. If a pregnant woman who “identifies” as non-binary comes to the hospital in labour you don’t pretend she isn’t a woman. That would be criminal negligence.
Peoples opinions are changing, yes, but biology isn’t.
They didn't claim t be royal, why on earth would they use "We"?
With great enthusiasm and skill, in my experience.
For many it seems to be that it threatens their sense of order and therefore they take it as a personal attack.
Sorry that most Englishes don't agree with you.
They as singular is hundreds of years old.
If you want to make an argument about They as singular for a particular person being less common, sure but it isn't wrong there either.
There would be a problem if we abandoned "he" and "she" as pronouns completely since we would need something to deal with referents but obviously a solution would evolve and I don't see the other pronouns being abandoned anyway.
You aren't allowed to point out that language changes. You especially can't point out that pronouns in the Englishes have changed repeatedly.
There are next to no new pronouns. The attempts to introduce entirely new pronouns have mostly failed - entirely new pronouns is a very hard lift for a language. That's why just focusing on "them/they/their" has been more successful.
Of course you can. And since identity is a negotiated position, most people will ignore you.
What isn't going to happen is people on a message board going on at length on how awful it is and it pisses them off and ruins their day.
Assholes gotta asshole.
Yes we do use "they" as both singular and plural. Just like we use "you" as both singular and plural.
As for memory work, there aren't a million fav pronouns because no language is going to keep that.
Don't bring actual facts into this, you will just upset them being upset.
And that's normal. People are uncomfortable with change. Which is fine. Just don't be an asshole about it.
(Or take up one of the versions of Buddhism that embraces the ephemeral.)
Almost never, though. Categories, labels, and boundaries tend to be incredibly fuzzy overlays on reality.
So what is your complaint? No one is saying biology is changing.
The word "they" is already taken in English. Its meaning is crystal clear. So as not to cause confusion, invent a new word for your pronoun. You want to make communication difficult and have people constantly fumble when addressing you as "they".... that's on you and your sad stupid life. We can only accommodate so much of it.
You are right.
check the dictionary.
What does They mean?
Definition of They in the Definitions.net dictionary. Meaning of They. What does They mean? Information and translations of They in the most comprehensive dictionary definitions resource on the web.
www.definitions.net
Definition of THEY
those ones : those people, animals, or things; —used to refer to people in a general way or to a group of people who are not specified; —used with a singular indefinite pronoun antecedent… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com
Woke dictionaries. congrats.You are right.
check the dictionary.
What does They mean?
Definition of They in the Definitions.net dictionary. Meaning of They. What does They mean? Information and translations of They in the most comprehensive dictionary definitions resource on the web.
Definition of THEY
those ones : those people, animals, or things; —used to refer to people in a general way or to a group of people who are not specified; —used with a singular indefinite pronoun antecedent… See the full definition
You and they will forever hold an L regardless. Sit in your corners angry at the world over your non-binary status.
That's not how language works.
Besides, "they" as a singular is already hundreds of years old.
It was the stupid 18th century politically correct obsession with pretending English worked like Latin that resulted in people trying to insist it was plural.
The Oxford English Dictionary traces singular they back to 1375, where it appears in the medieval romance William and the Werewolf.
Yup. Super-woke and recent.
All kinds of institutions that are centuries-old are woke today. Add full-fledged universities to that category.
As a gender pronoun, "they" is very recent, very woke, and absolutely absurd. I'll call you 'they' if you like, but don't get angry if I and everyone else makes a mistake every now and then. Because, after all, the term already has currency in a more common more useful form.
Yes it is. language, like life, evolves. You don’t have to agree but it doesn’t change the fact that language is going to continue to change over the years.
So you think they went back in time to 1375 and faked a play about a werewolf because they are super woke now?
COOL!!!
So you actually have no complaint at all other than an aesthetic one about personal taste, and in reality will do your best to be respectful and honor people's wishes as a member of society?
How shockingly woke of you.
You've got the wrong person, Jenesis. I was pointing out to them that their idea language doesn't change isn't how language works.
Skimmed the respinses....
First of all you may think the world is black and white and thats great but when people tell you there are shades of gray why is that so hard to grasp? You know that as a man you are not identical to all men. So is it really a stretch that there could be a man born xy whose feelings dont match their body parts? Maybe thats why words like effeminate exist because people born men but feel like a woman is nothing new? Similarly, butch exists because some women dont fit the stereotype of what a woman is supposed to be like.
Second....if youre trying to win this argument by referring to dictionary definitions you might be surprised that the meaning if words can change....e.g. when you say faggot today no one assumes you are talking about a bundle of sticks. Meanwhile the same person using dictionary to try and prove their point uses the word woke which is not universally adopted by dictionaries yet.
First of all you may think the world is black and white and thats great but when people tell you there are shades of gray why is that so hard to grasp? You know that as a man you are not identical to all men. So is it really a stretch that there could be a man born xy whose feelings dont match their body parts? Maybe thats why words like effeminate exist because people born men but feel like a woman is nothing new? Similarly, butch exists because some women dont fit the stereotype of what a woman is supposed to be like.
Second....if youre trying to win this argument by referring to dictionary definitions you might be surprised that the meaning if words can change....e.g. when you say faggot today no one assumes you are talking about a bundle of sticks. Meanwhile the same person using dictionary to try and prove their point uses the word woke which is not universally adopted by dictionaries yet.
Well, you done a poor job of reading me based one comment. I am not pissed off or homophobic. I have dated a MTF trans person and I called her "her". ... not "them".
Great. You should have because that is her preferred pronoun. But trans people identify as male or female, non-binary identify as neither, so theirs is them.
and I never called you homophobic. Point that one out in that quote.
I did confuse you and NotaDoctor who said it kissed him off but then you challenged a post I made directly to him so not hard to mix up. Maybe don’t defend someone who admitted to being pissed off for 15 mins of the day because someone else’s prefers a gender pronoun he doesn’t like.
