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Frankfooter

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That's quite the word salad. If you look at the trend for example in Toronto (which is indicative of the same national trend), you can see that the increase was gradual from about 1995 onwards. That is, until the Liberals took over in 2015.
From 2015 to date, does that trend look gradual to you?

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Its a continuation of the same curve if you smooth the data.
 

Skoob

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Its a continuation of the same curve if you smooth the data.
Nope.
"Smooth" would mean you could draw a straight line across the points without leaving a significant gap below the line from first point to last.
This chart should frighten you and hopefully jolt you into reality.



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bver_hunter

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That's quite the word salad. If you look at the trend for example in Toronto (which is indicative of the same national trend), you can see that the increase was gradual from about 1995 onwards. That is, until the Liberals took over in 2015.
From 2015 to date, does that trend look gradual to you?

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So, once again look at the actual trending figures between 1990 and 2005. You see the prices dropping and then moving back up to around it's 1990 values. From 2005, the trend then starts to move steeply up. Again Harper was not concerned about it as stated in the link that I already posted. At least the present Government tried to legislate with the "Stress test". But housing has unfortunately turned into an investment opportunity for some who flipped the houses without even residing in them. Others, like Pee Pee bought multiple properties as a source of greedy rental income. Finally when the Government decides to work with the Provinces to invest in affordable housing, of course Conservatives opposed it!!
 

Skoob

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So, once again look at the actual trending figures between 1990 and 2005. You see the prices dropping and then moving back up to around it's 1990 values. From 2005, the trend then starts to move steeply up. Again Harper was not concerned about it as stated in the link that I already posted. At least the present Government tried to legislate with the "Stress test". But housing has unfortunately turned into an investment opportunity for some who flipped the houses without even residing in them. Others, like Pee Pee bought multiple properties as a source of greedy rental income. Finally when the Government decides to work with the Provinces to invest in affordable housing, of course Conservatives opposed it!!
Lol! So now you're going back to 1990??? 35 years ago! So you skip Chretien who was PM from 93 to 2003...go immediately to Harper...then skip right over Trudeau for the past decade and blame PP who's not even PM (yet)???
Let's just leave it there.
If you can't understand a simple factual chart then no amount of me showing you facts will help you bypass your bias.
 
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bver_hunter

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Lol! So now you're going back to 1990??? 35 years ago! So you skip Chretien who was PM from 93 to 2003...go immediately to Harper...then skip right over Trudeau for the past decade and blame PP who's not even PM (yet)???
Let's just leave it there.
If you can't understand a simple factual chart then no amount of me showing you facts will help you bypass your bias.
Well you don't understand trending do you? Even if you go back from 2003 onwards, are you in denial with how the housing market was trending upwards? Well the same Pee Pee who was part of the Harper Govt. did not seem to bat an eyelid when Harper was going to give it zero time of his day. In other words the blame has to go to all those who did nothing about it. But when The Federal Govt. has offered the Provinces funding for building the fourplexes, of course Doug Ford is being the usual stubborn child:


Still accept the facts for once!!
 

Frankfooter

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Lol! So now you're going back to 1990??? 35 years ago! So you skip Chretien who was PM from 93 to 2003...go immediately to Harper...then skip right over Trudeau for the past decade and blame PP who's not even PM (yet)???
Let's just leave it there.
If you can't understand a simple factual chart then no amount of me showing you facts will help you bypass your bias.
Are you cherry picking dates?
 

Skoob

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Well you don't understand trending do you? Even if you go back from 2003 onwards, are you in denial with how the housing market was trending upwards? Well the same Pee Pee who was part of the Harper Govt. did not seem to bat an eyelid when Harper was going to give it zero time of his day. In other words the blame has to go to all those who did nothing about it. But when The Federal Govt. has offered the Provinces funding for building the fourplexes, of course Doug Ford is being the usual stubborn child:


Still accept the facts for once!!
"Trending upwards" in real-estate is normal. This is about trending upwards abnormally as the stats that you choose to ignore prove. No need to go back 2 decades to try and blame Poilievre. No need to drag DoFo into this to distract.
Facts.
Accept them.
 

Skoob

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Are you cherry picking dates?
Cherry picking dates?

The chart I provided starts in 1975 and runs through to present day.
You may want to talk to your buddy bver who is somehow only fixated on when Conservatives were in power.
That would be cherry picking dates.
 

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Frankfooter

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Ok I'll bite...show me what that curve would look like and then tell me why you think it's a "smooth" increase.
I'm not teaching you the basics of math and stats, skoob.

Do it yourself.
 

bver_hunter

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"Trending upwards" in real-estate is normal. This is about trending upwards abnormally as the stats that you choose to ignore prove. No need to go back 2 decades to try and blame Poilievre. No need to drag DoFo into this to distract.
Facts.
Accept them.
"Abnormally" really?? Okay lets take the house prices in context from 2007 to 2015 when Harper left office, and then 2015 to 2023 during Trudeau's tenure:


Now do the Math, between the above two tenures. Under Harper, house prices had risen close to 40%, while under Trudeau it is 44%.
So, that is called "abnormal" to you? That is why I'm saying that everyone should take the responsibility and not just the present Government. I posted previously how Harper said that it was concerning but did nothing about it. At least we are beginning to see the Government offering the local Provinces / Councils aid in accelerating the house rebuilding process!!
 

Skoob

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I'm not teaching you the basics of math and stats, skoob.

Do it yourself.
Finding some random irrelevant math website is a poor attempt at distracting.
Why would anyone want to smooth year-over-year data when you are looking for year-over-year differences?

What exactly is smoothing accomplishing here for you?
 

Skoob

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"Abnormally" really?? Okay lets take the house prices in context from 2007 to 2015 when Harper left office, and then 2015 to 2023 during Trudeau's tenure:


Now do the Math, between the above two tenures. Under Harper, house prices had risen close to 40%, while under Trudeau it is 44%.
So, that is called "abnormal" to you? That is why I'm saying that everyone should take the responsibility and not just the present Government. I posted previously how Harper said that it was concerning but did nothing about it. At least we are beginning to see the Government offering the local Provinces / Councils aid in accelerating the house rebuilding process!!
You may want to consider getting your eyes checked, and possibly getting a 2-for-1 deal on a chart reading course for you and FF...

You think house prices only went up 4% more under Trudeau's tenure? I even used 2023 which was lower than 2022!
Here let me help you...


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JohnLarue

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Nope.
"Smooth" would mean you could draw a straight line across the points without leaving a significant gap below the line from first point to last.
This chart should frighten you and hopefully jolt you into reality.



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oh look
what ever could have happened in around 2015 to cause such a rate of change ?
 
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bver_hunter

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You may want to consider getting your eyes checked, and possibly getting a 2-for-1 deal on a chart reading course for you and FF...

You think house prices only went up 4% more under Trudeau's tenure? I even used 2023 which was lower than 2022!
Here let me help you...


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Once again from the link that I posted, the Average House prices in 2007 was $376,236. It went up to $622,116 in 2015. That was close to a 40% rise.
Let us take the average price in 2023 was $1,126,449. Now do the math between 2007 and 2015. I.e. $622,116 - $376,236 = $245,880/$622,116= 39.5%
Do exactly the same for the 2015 - 2023. 1,126,449 - 622,116= 504,333/1,126,449=44.8%. Remember that house prices always go up by percentages year over year.
Same as salaries, property taxes etc. Yes it went up by just 5.3% more, and not an "abnormal" amount that you alleged!!
 
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