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bver_hunter

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Why learn grade 1 English. Because I don’t want to be like Beaver

Find a 1 quote where I blamed Wynne for those losses other than soaring hydro. Being the final straw for some/many.

what have you done them? Except call them dumb truckers. Aren’t you a woke Liberal?
Once again more gibberish when you have no more pods in that nutshell of yours!!

So what is your point about the loss of manufacturing Jobs? Who are you blaming for it? It was a trend from the turn of this century, and business jobs are the ones that have grown.

Those Trucker had nothing to do with "Freedom" and everything to do with being a FreeDumb Convoy!!

This "Woke" BS knows no bounds with the righties. PERIOD!!
 

bver_hunter

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i don’t get ruffled, like you chicken little. You just don’t have a plumb idea what you’re talking about. While you pretend you do and run your mouth. You also think you know better than experts.

nor do you know what disasters are/arent. Kinda like you don’t know what an endorsement is, or a weak looney like you. Or how not to dive off cliffs like lemmings
Your feathers were ruffled......that is when you resort to either your usual gibberish or start throwing those childish abuses!!
 

Skoob

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Why?

Because you screwed up again and tried to blame the liberals for a conservative fuckup again?
Are you admitting that 99 year lease from the 407 is a conservative mess?
ummm...do you read? I just said I didn't agree with them selling the 407. Maybe get your head out of your heavily-taxed ass and actually read posts before having a stroke and responding in haste.

Force Majeure clauses are part of any significant contract involving infrastructure.

Not DoFo's fault...in fact, he's wise to not have pursued a lawsuit which the government would have lost, like the Libs did when they went to court with the 407 ETR owners.
 

Skoob

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You are living in total denial as to how the Harris Govt. screwed up. The Liberal Govt. tried to intercede with the rate at which these rate hikes were being imposed on the Canadians.
But the contract was written in stone by the Harris Govt. So why is the Court case such a big deal to you when it pales into comparison when compared to the sale of the 407ETR?
Ford has lost more than a dozen lawsuits, so do you condemn him from wasting taxpayers money? He lost numerous court cases when he came into office as he was clueless and he was the one who ploughed on from case to case!!


What is the alternative to the Carbon Tax? More than 80% of Canadians are benefiting from the rebates. Just one Liberal Premier opposed the April 1st increase and not the Carbon Tax itself!!
Ummm denial? Did I not say I did not agree with Harris selling the 407? What part of that statement causes you confusion?

The Liberal government pursued legal action knowing it would not succeed but kept it in court for a year anyway so they looked like "they were fighting" for people, when in reality, it was a publicity stunt. Wasting money in the process.
 

bver_hunter

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Ummm denial? Did I not say I did not agree with Harris selling the 407? What part of that statement causes you confusion?

The Liberal government pursued legal action knowing it would not succeed but kept it in court for a year anyway so they looked like "they were fighting" for people, when in reality, it was a publicity stunt. Wasting money in the process.
Denial as to the respect in which the contract did not limit the 407ETR toll rates!! Again what is the big deal about the Liberals wanting to take the 407ETR to court as they were raising the Tolls at an alarming rate. No wonder that it is the costliest tolls highway in the world.
But again The Court Case pales in comparison to what the Conservatives did with the sale and sweetheart of a deal with the 407ETR. Yet you keep on making a huge deal of this Court case, especially when the present Ford Govt. lost over a dozen court cases. So the loss of taxpayers money does not need to be condemned in these cases? These were the real Publicity stunts especially when he legislated gas stations to post those ridiculous gas tax stickers on the pumps!!
 
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Skoob

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Denial as to the respect in which the contract did not limit the 407ETR toll rates!! Again what is the big deal about the Liberals wanting to take the 407ETR to court as they were raising the Tolls at an alarming rate. No wonder that it is the costliest tolls highway in the world.
But again The Court Case pales in comparison to what the Conservatives did with the sale and sweetheart of a deal with the 407ETR. Yet you keep on making a huge deal of this Court case, especially when the present Ford Govt. lost over a dozen court cases. So the loss of taxpayers money does not need to be condemned in these cases? These were the real Publicity stunts especially when he legislated gas stations to post those ridiculous gas tax stickers on the pumps!!
The big deal is that they knew they couldn't win but went ahead anyway.
We're talking about why the current government is not suing them now. That is what this is discussion is about. But you keep drifting elsewhere all over the place.

Would you be good with the government pursuing a costly legal battle that it knows it can't win?
 

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You are living in total denial as to how the Harris Govt. screwed up. The Liberal Govt. tried to intercede with the rate at which these rate hikes were being imposed on the Canadians.
But the contract was written in stone by the Harris Govt. So why is the Court case such a big deal to you when it pales into comparison when compared to the sale of the 407ETR?
Ford has lost more than a dozen lawsuits, so do you condemn him from wasting taxpayers money? He lost numerous court cases when he came into office as he was clueless and he was the one who ploughed on from case to case!!


What is the alternative to the Carbon Tax? More than 80% of Canadians are benefiting from the rebates. Just one Liberal Premier opposed the April 1st increase and not the Carbon Tax itself!!
We are watching the provincial cons do a total repeat of the 407 fiasco in Ontario Place.
Another 99 year lease, agreements for the province to spend half a billion on a parking lot, plans to pave over the park areas, secret contracts and bills to shield DoFo from legal repercussions to any corruption.
 

Frankfooter

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ummm...do you read? I just said I didn't agree with them selling the 407. Maybe get your head out of your heavily-taxed ass and actually read posts before having a stroke and responding in haste.

Force Majeure clauses are part of any significant contract involving infrastructure.

Not DoFo's fault...in fact, he's wise to not have pursued a lawsuit which the government would have lost, like the Libs did when they went to court with the 407 ETR owners.
You tried to blame the liberals for the 407 lease.
 

bver_hunter

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The big deal is that they knew they couldn't win but went ahead anyway.
We're talking about why the current government is not suing them now. That is what this is discussion is about. But you keep drifting elsewhere all over the place.

Would you be good with the government pursuing a costly legal battle that it knows it can't win?
At least there was some good that came out of The Liberals suing the 407ETR:

Motorists who regularly drive on Highway 407 will soon be able to participate in a loyalty program to be announced this week that the toll road's operators say could save as much as $40 million in toll costs over the next four years.

The program is part of a deal with the Ontario government reached last March that settled a nasty legal dispute over rising toll levels, the Canadian Press has learned.

Dale Albers, a spokesman for 407 ETR, the company that runs the highway, confirmed the program was in the works but refused to discuss details.

"It's true that we're making final preparations to launch a rewards program on Thursday," Albers said.

"While I can't share any details right now, I can tell you that customers will save money both on and off the highway."

A source close to the project said the level of "rewards" will depend on how much driving a motorist does, but refused to say what the minimum amount required to qualify would be.

However, heavy users of the highway— those who drive more than 1,500 kilometres a month— will be able to use the road for free on weekends, the source said.

In addition, drivers will also receive special cards entitling them to a discount of up to nine cents a litre on gasoline.

Overall, the most frequent customers could see immediate savings of between 10 and 15 per cent of their monthly bill, the source said.

The company has already begun notifying about 100,000 customers that they are immediately entitled to free kilometres and instant gas savings based on their usage over the past six months.

The company will review the number of kilometres driven semi-annually and base the rewards on the previous six months' usage.

The source said 407 ETR expects to give away 40 million weekend kilometres in the first year of the program.

"There will be an audit done at the end to ensure that $40 million of benefits have been received by users," the source said.

But I noticed how you did your very best to skip the questions that I posed regarding over a dozen of lawsuits that the Doug Ford Govt lost.
So again what were the benefits of those lawsuits, and why was the taxpayers money lost in those situations?
 

Skoob

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You tried to blame the liberals for the 407 lease.
I said the Liberals amended the 407 agreement and they did. They challenged the 407 ETR contract and lost. So if I mixed up 407 and 407 ETR contracts in my explanation then that was my mistake. Still has nothing to do with DoFo which is the point and topic here.
 

bver_hunter

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You tried to blame the liberals for the 407 lease.
True, as that is how he tried to blame the Liberal Government for the contract with that lease. He confused it with the 407 East that had nothing to do with the 407 ETR!!
 

bver_hunter

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I said the Liberals amended the 407 agreement and they did. They challenged the 407 ETR contract and lost. So if I mixed up 407 and 407 ETR contracts in my explanation then that was my mistake. Still has nothing to do with DoFo which is the point and topic here.
Once again the only agreement with the 407 ETR was that they would also collect the tolls for the 407 East and hand that part to the Ontario Govt. Absolutely nothing to do with an "amended" agreement with the 407 ETR!!
 

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I said the Liberals amended the 407 agreement and they did. They challenged the 407 ETR contract and lost. So if I mixed up 407 and 407 ETR contracts in my explanation then that was my mistake. Still has nothing to do with DoFo which is the point and topic here.
Thank you for admitting you made a mistake.
 

Skoob

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At least there was some good that came out of The Liberals suing the 407ETR:




But I noticed how you did your very best to skip the questions that I posed regarding over a dozen of lawsuits that the Doug Ford Govt lost.
So again what were the benefits of those lawsuits, and why was the taxpayers money lost in those situations?
A rewards program? That's what the Liberals accomplished? OMFG

Those lawsuits you are referring to were not initiated by the government like the Liberals initiated against the 407 ETR. So you can move goal posts all you want but it's not working for you.
 

bver_hunter

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A rewards program? That's what the Liberals accomplished? OMFG

Those lawsuits you are referring to were not initiated by the government like the Liberals initiated against the 407 ETR. So you can move goal posts all you want but it's not working for you.
In 2007, which Provincial Government was in charge? Are you even reading what was posted before commenting? It states that it was an agreement with the Government following the lawsuit.

The program is part of a deal with the Ontario government reached last March that settled a nasty legal dispute over rising toll levels, the Canadian Press has learned.
There were some concessions later when I was using the 407ETR. Again why do you give the Ford Govt. a pass for its dozen or so lawsuits? I know that for the umpteenth time you wont answer this question!!
 
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Not getting younger

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Once again more gibberish when you have no more pods in that nutshell of yours!!

So what is your point about the loss of manufacturing Jobs? Who are you blaming for it? It was a trend from the turn of this century, and business jobs are the ones that have grown.

Those Trucker had nothing to do with "Freedom" and everything to do with being a FreeDumb Convoy!!

This "Woke" BS knows no bounds with the righties. PERIOD!!
Clearly, you have memory loss issues. Why might manufacturing losses be Important when discussing Harper and his not bad, not good, certainly not a disaster record. And you had to be reminded of those. Just as you did 2008 ( and don’t forget 2012).

. Or the present day.

Like I said, education is important.
 

Not getting younger

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Your feathers were ruffled......that is when you resort to either your usual gibberish or start throwing those childish abuses!!
Lol, says the guy that call people dumb truckers and far more/worse….And all he does is the same with others here. Can dish and then whines about it
 
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Frankfooter

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Clearly, you have memory loss issues. Why might manufacturing losses be Important when discussing Harper and his not bad, not good, certainly not a disaster record. And you had to be reminded of those. Just as you did 2008 ( and don’t forget 2012).

. Or the present day.

Like I said, education is important.
Are you back to almost remembering what happened after free trade and the migration of industrial jobs to Mexico and Asia?
 

Not getting younger

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Are you back to almost remembering what happened after free trade and the migration of industrial jobs to Mexico and Asia?
Are you back to the fact that was almost 40 years ago. Lots of time for a lefty that claims to be a champions of this and that. However that’s just lip service. Not unlike LTCs

However all you do is cry for more money for you and go near broke. Over and over and over..

.if you can find one quote of you or your teammates that claim oh so much. Arguing and putting pressure on a policitician to do something about it, or about poverty at the end of your nose, and your neighbor in steam of bike lanes, transit for you, carbon taxes etc, instead of yourself.

proove it

Oh, wait. You have no clue « where you are »
 

Frankfooter

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Are you back to the fact that was almost 40 years ago. Lots of time for a lefty that claims to be a champions of this and that. However that’s just lip service. Not unlike LTCs

However all you do is cry for more money for you and go near broke. Over and over and over..

.if you can find one quote of you or your teammates that claim oh so much. Arguing and putting pressure on a policitician to do something about it, or about poverty at the end of your nose, and your neighbor in steam of bike lanes, transit for you, carbon taxes etc, instead of yourself.

proove it

Oh, wait. You have no clue « where you are »
Do you have a point?
 
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