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Deficit and Debt Deadbeat Drowns Province in Red Ink

Frankfooter

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Same as always FFs. You don’t grasp much.
Like doses of your own medicine
You reap what you sow
Or simply, once again. Back to what Drummond said a number of times about historical facts and pressure to spend once deficits were tamed…..Not sure there…one lightbulb.
Try using what god has given you and figure it out. See also the divides you’ve created federally too…linked for your cityiot, center of the universe lazy unable to grasp anything convenience right at the end of oh so much….
Do you think that post articulates an idea clearly?
What is it?
 
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Not getting younger

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Do you think that post articulates an idea clearly?
What is it?
do you think for once you can use your brain without deflecting?

why do you need to be dragged kicking and screaming to water like a blind deaf dumb ass?

And isn’t that exactly what you lefties always do when in a wet paper bag corner? Yes it is. Not the sharpest knife you little leaguers
 

Frankfooter

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do you think for once you can use your brain without deflecting?

why do you need to be dragged kicking and screaming to water like a blind deaf dumb ass?

And isn’t that exactly what you lefties always do when in a wet paper bag corner? Yes it is. Not the sharpest knife you little leaguers
You keep listing problems then posting articles that don't support your arguments.
Its just confusing to try to figure what your point is or if you have one.

For instance, you keep posting Drummond but are entirely unable to article what point Drummond makes that you think the country or province should be listening to, instead you just say its 'deflecting' to point out that Drummond says don't cut services but cut budgets.

Then you post a couple of articles saying that there was a big debt/deficit before DoFo but then can't connect that to the budget released today, where DoFo announced way bigger deficit.

What is your point?
 

Not getting younger

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You keep asking stupid questions despite what’s obvious. Nor do ever have anything intelligent to say say with back up.


You keep listing problems then posting articles that don't support your arguments.
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Prove that.
I’ve given you mountains of shit.
I’ll also take this opportunity to remind you of 500,000 face plants. And the fact you can’t grasp 40 years of the squeaky wheel getting the $$$$ and politicians from all parties, at all levels wanting to keep you happy. Hence why Ford hasn’t reined in spending and caved to tolls, same as Tory dim one..

Aka the pressure Drummond talks about. Never mind tourism advertising aimed at self centered rich cityiots that don’t know, or care to know red neck Ontario.

dim one

Nor can you grasp so much more.

/as I predicted round and round FFs la la land merry go round, we go.
 
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What contract are you referring to with regards to the 407ETR? That was signed by the Conservative Government who allowed the 407ETR to charge whatever they feel like.
No wonder that it is the most expensive Highway in the World by a Mile!!
The contract was amended in 2012 and 2015 by the Ontario Liberals:
https://www.infrastructureontario.c...mended_restated_services_agreement_hwy407.pdf
https://www.infrastructureontario.c...41cda82fbb32e1cc091b/highway-407-pa-final.pdf

Pandemic...Force Majeure Protections. The government wouldn't stand to win any lawsuit.
 

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It’s amazing how little you read and how much you struggle to comprehend things.. Or remember about history. Manufacturing losses started around 2003 continued for many many years.

what have you done for them Einstein. Except pay virtuous thunderous lip service. Except give them UBI ( well a few anyways)

Poor Beaver, such a little leaguer
That said, only a team little leaguer would have trouble remembering hyrdo rates skyrocketing back around 2006
What are you harping about. You have totally lost the conversation. So then why blame the Wynn Government for the loss of manufacturing jobs when the Federal Government in charge all those years were under Harper's watch? Harper pulled Canada into the recession and and after all those years left the economy that was still in a recession!!
 
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The contract was amended in 2012 and 2015 by the Ontario Liberals:
https://www.infrastructureontario.c...mended_restated_services_agreement_hwy407.pdf
https://www.infrastructureontario.c...41cda82fbb32e1cc091b/highway-407-pa-final.pdf

Pandemic...Force Majeure Protections. The government wouldn't stand to win any lawsuit.
Can you not read what you posted? The 407 East is still owned by the Ontario Government, as they built it and not the 407ETR.
It is cheaper to use the 407 East than the 407ETR. The only thing that the 407ETR does is to collect the tolls and then forward it to the Ontario Government.
The Ontario Liberal Govt.had nothing to do with the 407ETR sweetheart contracts that was signed by the Conservative Govt!!
 

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Like endorsement and others. Clearly you don’t know what deflection means too.

So let’s cut to the chase. When you were pretending to know a lot about economics and going on about Harper. Which is how it all started. You didn’t remember a thing about manufacturing until your light bulb was turned by Skoob…………

Funny that.

And I see you have nothing to say about your hard faceplant from a cliff lemming into the pool of Koolaid …some call it deflecting, some call it changing channels. Something lefties that have lost the plot and now Canada too..are rather famous for these days. Here….and in Ottawa.
Again, a total and utter gibberish from you. You have no problem throwing the Wynn Govt. into the mix, but yet have your feathers ruffled when the previous Harper Govt is brought up.
Can you show me what I got wrong about the "manufacturing sector". Skoob of corse does not know the difference between the 407 East and The 407 ETR!!
Just remember to take your medications otherwise you will pile up more shit by the hour as stated by you!!
 

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Can you not read what you posted? The 407 East is still owned by the Ontario Government, as they built it and not the 407ETR.
It is cheaper to use the 407 East than the 407ETR. The only thing that the 407ETR does is to collect the tolls and then forward it to the Ontario Government.
The Ontario Liberal Govt.had nothing to do with the 407ETR sweetheart contracts that was signed by the Conservative Govt!!
Yes the Liberals amended the 407 East contract but the 407 ETR is what the province does not want to pursue legal action against, similar to when the Liberals went through a year of legal challenges with the 407 ETR and lost and wasted taxpayer money fighting it.

In this recent case, it would be a waste of time suing the 407 ETR because of the contract clause of "force majeure". That clause is standard in many contracts. So the government did the right thing to not waste money fighting this.
 

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Yes the Liberals amended the 407 East contract but the 407 ETR is what the province does not want to pursue legal action against, similar to when the Liberals went through a year of legal challenges with the 407 ETR and lost and wasted taxpayer money fighting it.

In this recent case, it would be a waste of time suing the 407 ETR because of the contract clause of "force majeure". That clause is standard in many contracts. So the government did the right thing to not waste money fighting this.
Well The 407ETR Contract was gifted by the Conservatives who did not insert any clauses as to the reasonable pricing on tolls.
The Liberals did the right thing to challenge it though they lost, as they were trying to make the tolls more reasonable.
But when "Free Enterprise" gouges the Canadians due to their monopoly, of course the righties are going to defend them and somehow blame The Liberals.
Admit it that the Conservatives made a severe mess by selling this lease for 99 years:


 

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Well The 407ETR Contract was gifted by the Conservatives who did not insert any clauses as to the reasonable pricing on tolls.
The Liberals did the right thing to challenge it though they lost, as they were trying to make the tolls more reasonable.
But when "Free Enterprise" gouges the Canadians due to their monopoly, of course the righties are going to defend them and somehow blame The Liberals.
Admit it that the Conservatives made a severe mess by selling this lease for 99 years:


I know you live in the past and will blame world hunger on previous conservative governments if you could but let's put that aside for now.
I agree with DoFO that Harris shouldn't have sold it. Just like I don't agree with the Liberals selling Hydro One.

But let's ease out of the past and get back on this topic shall we?
The government wouldn't be able to win a lawsuit. So why waste money trying?

The difference is the Liberals usually plow ahead regardless. Just like they're doing now with the carbon tax despite almost every province being against it including Liberals.
 
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I know you live in the past and will blame world hunger on previous conservative governments if you could but let's put that aside for now.
I agree with DoFO that Harris shouldn't have sold it. Just like I don't agree with the Liberals selling Hydro One.

But let's ease out of the past and get back on this topic shall we?
The government wouldn't be able to win a lawsuit. So why waste money trying?

The difference is the Liberals usually plow ahead regardless. Just like they're doing now with the carbon tax despite almost every province being against it including Liberals.
Why?

Because you screwed up again and tried to blame the liberals for a conservative fuckup again?
Are you admitting that 99 year lease from the 407 is a conservative mess?
 
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What are you harping about. You have totally lost the conversation. So then why blame the Wynn Government for the loss of manufacturing jobs when the Federal Government in charge all those years were under Harper's watch? Harper pulled Canada into the recession and and after all those years left the economy that was still in a recession!!
Why learn grade 1 English. Because I don’t want to be like Beaver

Find a 1 quote where I blamed Wynne for those losses other than soaring hydro. Being the final straw for some/many.

what have you done them? Except call them dumb truckers. Aren’t you a woke Liberal?
 

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Again, a total and utter gibberish from you. You have no problem throwing the Wynn Govt. into the mix, but yet have your feathers ruffled when the previous Harper Govt is brought up.
Can you show me what I got wrong about the "manufacturing sector". Skoob of corse does not know the difference between the 407 East and The 407 ETR!!
Just remember to take your medications otherwise you will pile up more shit by the hour as stated by you!!
i don’t get ruffled, like you chicken little. You just don’t have a plumb idea what you’re talking about. While you pretend you do and run your mouth. You also think you know better than experts.

nor do you know what disasters are/arent. Kinda like you don’t know what an endorsement is, or a weak looney like you. Or how not to dive off cliffs like lemmings
 
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I know you live in the past and will blame world hunger on previous conservative governments if you could but let's put that aside for now.
I agree with DoFO that Harris shouldn't have sold it. Just like I don't agree with the Liberals selling Hydro One.

But let's ease out of the past and get back on this topic shall we?
The government wouldn't be able to win a lawsuit. So why waste money trying?

The difference is the Liberals usually plow ahead regardless. Just like they're doing now with the carbon tax despite almost every province being against it including Liberals.
You are living in total denial as to how the Harris Govt. screwed up. The Liberal Govt. tried to intercede with the rate at which these rate hikes were being imposed on the Canadians.
But the contract was written in stone by the Harris Govt. So why is the Court case such a big deal to you when it pales into comparison when compared to the sale of the 407ETR?
Ford has lost more than a dozen lawsuits, so do you condemn him from wasting taxpayers money? He lost numerous court cases when he came into office as he was clueless and he was the one who ploughed on from case to case!!


What is the alternative to the Carbon Tax? More than 80% of Canadians are benefiting from the rebates. Just one Liberal Premier opposed the April 1st increase and not the Carbon Tax itself!!
 
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