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The 1% increases for generously compensated government workers was a pillar of Doug Ford's last campaign. And generated many votes. Then he caves and goes back on his promise. Typical politician.
 

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Some how, I just knew you would deflect from facts, data, science, history, and your thunderous farts. If your brain can work on one, and one only thread over and over and over…try get to connect NAFTA to manufacturing losses. Why can’t it connect recent history and to connect 2003-2018 to the present day??????. Never mind just a couple more years.

Why does it fart loudly and wetly when trying to connect 2003-2024. the 416/905, province and feds in debt up their eyeballs Or Rae/Harris, Chrétien MCguinty/Wynne and Drummond and ford listening to experts? Why does it FART with respect to the leased 407 ( revenue stream) and LCBO outlets ( revenue streams). Or very simply. Ford is listening to experts……..

or this

This

Or the simple fact. FACTs you know Jack shit about Ontario. Be that” you beleive “300,000”

Be that windfarms, Hyrdo one, precious aquafiers you won’t do shit about but shit in them. Or places like Goderich, and dozens more you’ve never heard of. Never mind visited..near or far..but thrown them under the bus and ignore them while you call them uneducated red necks and hicks but can’t grasp why PPs train is going to steam roll over you.

Your allowed your opinions FFS. Don’t blame anyone but yourself when it’s established you are
Unaware
Ignorant and more ( aka bigoted racist, and a raging virtuous hypocrite ) that also does nothing. Not for people you to champion ( disadvantaged red neck hicks that need UBI and are being terrorized) or , not for Palis, not for the environment.

Don’t know what you are talking about.

If you don’t like FACTS and reality. I can only suggest you deal with it, do something about it. Or not. It’s your choice.
Your sense of history starts in 2012 and ends in 2012 with the Drummond report, but only selected pages from that report.

But how can you back that report and then defend DoFo's policies which have broken every goal of Drummond?
 

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Your sense of history starts in 2012 and ends in 2012 with the Drummond report, but only selected pages from that report.

But how can you back that report and then defend DoFo's policies which have broken every goal of Drummond?
hardly.
I think it’s been established at least 20 times over 30 threads and dozens if not hundreds of post. It’s people like you and little team lefty players that are deniers in the gta that live in la la land.

“It’s yours to discover” FFs.


Tourism
Manufacturing
Blah blah blah
See also who got thrown under the bus during Covid but you don’t give two shits about, nor care to…all you do is lip service ( nada and calll them hicks, dumb truckers, uneducated, red necks, old white guys, white racist and Nazis)

Never mind Boomers, and clearly Drummond is alive and well.( Casinos, LCBO revenue streams) 1% wage restraints when inflation is 2%. Privatized non core…., the need to build infrastructure ( despite what infrastructure has done for you..) and create jobs ( somewhere other the center of the universe) etc.

It was also quoted for you in plain English not 1 hour ago
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As are self centered unaware voters in the gta. Aka the center of the universe and a tiny island of red. Who btw are killing them with $4000 home heating bills, gas bills, blah blah blah.
 
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hardly.
I think it’s been established at least 20 times over 30 threads and dozens if not hundreds of post. It’s people like you and little team lefty players that are deniers in the gta that live in la la land.

“It’s yours to discover” FFs.


Tourism
Manufacturing
Blah blah blah
See also who got thrown under the bus during Covid but you don’t give two shits about, nor care to…all you do is lip service ( nada and calll them hicks, dumb truckers, uneducated, red necks, old white guys, white racist and Nazis)

Never mind Boomers, and clearly Drummond is alive and well.( Casinos, LCBO revenue streams) 1% wage restraints when inflation is 2%. Privatized non core…., the need to build infrastructure ( despite what infrastructure has done for you..) and create jobs ( somewhere other the center of the universe) etc.

It was also quoted for you in plain English not 1 hour ago
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As are self centered unaware voters in the gta. Aka the center of the universe and a tiny island of red. Who btw are killing them with $4000 home heating bills, gas bills, blah blah blah.
Do you have a point?
 

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Do you have a point?
Typical deflection.
But I’ll answer anyways.

You and others aren’t the sharpest knives. And are infact , unaware ignorant woke not woke virtuous hypocrite's. Listen to experts, think about others ( there’s poverty and places all around you in need of UBI plus more) It’s not all about you and you need to wake up before it’s too late?

to keep it succinct.
 

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Typical deflection.
But I’ll answer anyways.

You and others aren’t the sharpest knives. And are infact , unaware ignorant woke not woke virtuous hypocrite's. Listen to experts, think about others ( there’s poverty and places all around you in need of UBI plus more) It’s not all about you and you need to wake up before it’s too late?

to keep it succinct.
You only ever post from one 'expert', Drummond yet you ignore what he says about education, as Sammy notes.
One 12 year old report that you partially does not make a relevant argument to today's situations.

DoFo follows the typical conservative plan, tax breaks for the rich, less regulations for the rich and his favourite, privatization of public services for profit of the rich.

Now we've got the biggest debt and deficit ever, crumbling hospitals, closing emerg rooms, not enough housing, education system facing massive cuts and scandal after scandal of DoFo privatization.

But all you want to talk about is a 12 year old report without saying how you think its going to fix any of those problems.
 

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More typical deflections from FFs. Why are you trying make it about me now?

But I’ll answer anyways for the drunk on Twitter and Koolaid raging hipocrite and more

Meet for the 100 th time Dr Jack Mintz. And for once in your life actually try to read it and absorb it into your sorry arse

Meet for the 100th time Philip Cross

step away from your keyboard some weekend, open your eyes, life a hand, it’s yours to discover, . Who the fuck knows. Your hopelessly lost and don’t know “where you are”. Or care to or about
 
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More typical deflections from FFs. Why are you trying make it about now?

But I’ll answer any for the drunk on Twitter raging hipocrite and more

Meet for the 100 th time Dr Jack Mintz. And for once in your life actually try to read it and absorb it into your sorry arse

Meet for the 100th time Philip Cross

step away from your keyboard some weekend, open your eyes, life a hand, it’s yours to discover, . Who the fuck knows. Your hopelessly lost
Typical answer.
Link 1 - an opinion piece from 2018 that shows that DoFo has failed as far as conservatives set goals.
Link 2 - an op ed from the Fraser Institute calling for more industrial investment, another area where DoFo has failed.

Is that what you were trying to prove, that DoFo is a total failure?
 

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Typical answer.
Link 1 - an opinion piece from 2018 that shows that DoFo has failed as far as conservatives set goals.
Link 2 - an op ed from the Fraser Institute calling for more industrial investment, another area where DoFo has failed.

Is that what you were trying to prove, that DoFo is a total failure?
Nothing but brain dead deflections from a team lefty little leaguer that can’t look in the mirror. Or past the end of his bulbous red nose and hood. Has whiffed 500,000 times in just this thread alone. Has already forgotten Drummond

a member of green boards, left wing economists and former federal finance minister, is alive and well.

Thinks he knows better Dr Jack Mintz as well ( don’t forget those keyboard warrior)

let’s not forget the village idiot doesn’t grasp.
Mintz wrote that just before Covid.

Isn’t he special

And the village idiot said all I do is quote a 600 page rip liberals new one report, written for left wing govts that cherry picked a left economist. That’s alive and well. And now is trying to discredit Cross just like he tried to discredit Drummond. Called Drummond a journalist…

Phillip Cross. Cheif econonmist for Stats Canada, he know better than him tooooooooooo

Isn’t he a special kind of village idiot special.

FFS
 
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Nothing but brain dead deflections from a team lefty leaguer that can’t look in the mirror. Has already forgotten Drummond is alive and well.

Thinks he knows better Dr Jack Mintz and Phillip Cross. Chief economist for Stats Canada, he is trying to discredit.

Isn’t he special
I agree with the fist op ed, DoFo had a chance to fix things and failed miserably.
Do you agree with the second one you posted, that DoFo failed to create more industrial investment?

Personally, I think DoFo should just put corporate taxes up.
Their profits are up and they should pay.

 
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I agree with the fist op ed, DoFo had a chance to fix things and failed miserably.
Do you agree with the second one you posted, that DoFo failed to create more industrial investment?

Personally, I think DoFo should just put corporate taxes up.
Their profits are up and they should pay.

still can’t connect dots or widgets or what’s all around you or 30 years of facts and history can you? Red neck Ontario or what’s left of it is all around you. In fact it’s a sea of blue across Canada too.

Doesn’t change the fact you tried to discredit Drummond and can’t read/absorb 600 pages. and Cross tooooo. People you don’t hold a fraction of a lumen to. Or can’t be bothered to discover what’s all around you, or care to.
 
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still can’t connect dots or widgets or what’s all around you or 30 years of facts and history can you? Red neck Ontario or what’s left of it is all around you. In fact it’s a sea of blue across Canada too.

Doesn’t change the fact you tried to discredit Drummond and can’t read/absorb 600 pages. and Cross tooooo. People you don’t hold a fraction of a lumen to. Or can’t be bothered to discover what’s all around you, or care to.
Did you agree with both of the articles you posted that showed DoFo failing?
 

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You mean "debt" as in the money that would have been paid to these public sector workers anyway?

How long do you think a subway should take to build? Let's hear about your expertise here.
I've shown you the healthcare funding that you just brush off so we'll just leave that to your own bias.
Collecting the $1 billion for 407 is useless because of the contract the Liberals signed. ie they would lose any legal case in trying to collect it and then you will complain that they wasted money pursuing something they couldn't win.
413 is needed because everyone doesn't live in downtown Toronto.
What contract are you referring to with regards to the 407ETR? That was signed by the Conservative Government who allowed the 407ETR to charge whatever they feel like.
No wonder that it is the most expensive Highway in the World by a Mile!!
 

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You are an easy mark.
You believe the 300,000 job loss claim?
It is hilarious how the Righties will blame the Wynne Government for the lost manufacturing jobs during the recession, when the whole of Canada was in a recession and jobs were lost all throughout the country. But would they also point the finger at The Federal Harper Government for the job losses? Of course not!!
So if jobs are being created in Ontario under Ford then does the Federal Liberals not also get the credit for it? :rolleyes:
Dear me the Not So Young just indulges in total gibberish in this respect!!
 

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Typical deflection.
But I’ll answer anyways.

You and others aren’t the sharpest knives. And are infact , unaware ignorant woke not woke virtuous hypocrite's. Listen to experts, think about others ( there’s poverty and places all around you in need of UBI plus more) It’s not all about you and you need to wake up before it’s too late?

to keep it succinct.
You are so predictable with your constant "Deflection" BS. As usual the rest of your statements makes zero sense!!
 
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It is hilarious how the Righties will blame the Wynne Government for the lost manufacturing jobs during the recession, when the whole of Canada was in a recession and jobs were lost all throughout the country. But would they also point the finger at The Federal Harper Government for the job losses? Of course not!!
So if jobs are being created in Ontario under Ford then does the Federal Liberals not also get the credit for it? :rolleyes:
Dear me the Not So Young just indulges in total gibberish in this respect!!
It’s amazing how little you read and how much you struggle to comprehend things.. Or remember about history. Manufacturing losses started around 2003 continued for many many years.

what have you done for them Einstein. Except pay virtuous thunderous lip service. Except give them UBI ( well a few anyways)

Poor Beaver, such a little leaguer
That said, only a team little leaguer would have trouble remembering hyrdo rates skyrocketing back around 2006
 
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You are so predictable with your constant "Deflection" BS. As usual the rest of your statements makes zero sense!!
Like endorsement and others. Clearly you don’t know what deflection means too.

So let’s cut to the chase. When you were pretending to know a lot about economics and going on about Harper. Which is how it all started. You didn’t remember a thing about manufacturing until your light bulb was turned by Skoob…………

Funny that.

And I see you have nothing to say about your hard faceplant from a cliff lemming into the pool of Koolaid …some call it deflecting, some call it changing channels. Something lefties that have lost the plot and now Canada too..are rather famous for these days. Here….and in Ottawa.
 
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Let’s see if team lefty little leaguers can stay on coarse and the channel. See if they have a few brain cells to connect 30 years of dots, facts and history…or even grasp why they are a tiny island of red in an ocean of uneducated dumb trucker redneck blue.Especially those that dive off the cliff into the pool of Koolaid. Without reading the budget, or waiting for some experts to chime in. But run their mouths so much.

Let’s ignore

Harris/Chretien in the 90s
Drummond, in 2010
Dr Mintz in 2018

Cross in 2023


Faced with these challenges, other governments might choose to raise taxes, reduce investmen in services or download costs on municipalities. Our government is taking a different approach.We are continuing to invest in Ontario's people and communities. We are doing what's needed get it done. Our plan is rebuilding Ontario's economy. We are keeping costs down by holding the line on nev taxes as we build the infrastructure our growing province needs.

Because for too long, Ontario was left behind. Under previous governments, over 300,000 manufacturing jobs were lost.
And for the Beavers that are just normal layman’s kind that think they know better than experts. Kinda like DiYers that try to wire their house instead of paying an electrician. Then whine when their house burns down……Who don’t know what good debt is, or that infrastructure ( everything from highways to buildings like hospitals) cost a shit tonne of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, takes years and years and decades to pay off…and it’s paid for by everyone…..

creates jobs…like how the 401 alone creates $615million dollars in economic activity for you a day… Worded simply Einstein. How many world class cities do you see in all of Canada…But you sure do whine about it…..

.stuff that’s made you self centered red neck liberal cityiots in the gta rich..while you’ve sat there with your heads in the sand, and up your elitist arses thinking your all that, preaching about socioeconomics/the disadvantaged blah blah blah blah. And done Jack shit for those thrown overboard…near and far starting in 2003….There’s poverty all around you. Nor can you grasp why the GTA is fastest growing city in North America.

let’s also ignore
the likewise record growing wealth gap and where all that wealth is held…

let’s also ignore
crime and gangs
and the disadvantaged too…

Let’s also ignore
40 years of tourism advertising.

For Self centred rich cityiots, that don’t give two shits about your neighbors. Nor care to know.

That also ignore the Wynne government “where are you campaign” and Fords “COVID staycation” tax credit. You woke not woke rich Lefties with your heads in the sand and up your elitist sorry arses also

ignore…in fact call them racist and uneducated dumb red necks

Canada urban/rural uneducated red necks divides


You elitist center of the universe lefties talk good games. That’s all you do….While you take take take take take and spend spend spend spend.

just facts.
/predicts denials, deflections, wet farts and channel changing against oh so much.
 
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Let’s see if team lefty little leaguers can stay on coarse and the channel. See if they have a few brain cells to connect 30 years of dots, facts and history…or even grasp why they are a tiny island of red in an ocean of uneducated dumb trucker redneck blue.Especially those that dive off the cliff into the pool of Koolaid. Without reading the budget, or waiting for some experts to chime in. But run their mouths so much.

Let’s ignore

Harris/Chretien in the 90s
Drummond, in 2010
Dr Mintz in 2018

Cross in 2023




And for the Beavers that are just normal layman’s kind that think they know better than experts. Kinda like DiYers that try to wire their house instead of paying an electrician. Then whine when their house burns down……Who don’t know what good debt is, or that infrastructure ( everything from highways to buildings like hospitals) cost a shit tonne of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, takes years and years and decades to pay off…and it’s paid for by everyone…..

creates jobs…like how the 401 alone creates $615million dollars in economic activity for you a day… Worded simply Einstein. How many world class cities do you see in all of Canada…But you sure do whine about it…..

.stuff that’s made you self centered red neck liberal cityiots in the gta rich..while you’ve sat there with your heads in the sand, and up your elitist arses thinking your all that, preaching about socioeconomics/the disadvantaged blah blah blah blah. And done Jack shit for those thrown overboard…near and far starting in 2003….There’s poverty all around you. Nor can you grasp why the GTA is fastest growing city in North America.
Same two articles that show that DoFo has failed miserably in taming the debt or investing in industry.

let’s also ignore
the likewise record growing wealth gap and where all that wealth is held…

let’s also ignore
crime and gangs
and the disadvantaged too…

Let’s also ignore
40 years of tourism advertising.


So tax the rich and stop supporting conservatives that make that gap even bigger than the liberals.
Try backing the NDP instead.


For Self centred rich cityiots, that don’t give two shits about your neighbors. Nor care to know.

That also ignore the Wynne government “where are you campaign” and Fords “COVID staycation” tax credit. You woke not woke rich Lefties with your heads in the sand and up your elitist sorry arses also

ignore…in fact call them racist and uneducated dumb red necks

Canada urban/rural uneducated red necks divides


You elitist center of the universe lefties talk good games. That’s all you do….While you take take take take take and spend spend spend spend.

just facts.
/predicts denials, deflections, wet farts and channel changing against oh so much.


Why do you keep calling yourself and your neighbours 'racist, uneducated red necks'?
They are just people.
 
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Same two articles that show that DoFo has failed miserably in taming the debt or investing in industry.



So tax the rich and stop supporting conservatives that make that gap even bigger than the liberals.
Try backing the NDP instead.




Why do you keep calling yourself and your neighbours 'racist, uneducated red necks'?
They are just people.
Same as always FFs. You don’t grasp much. And ignore oh so much…….

Like doses of your own medicine
You reap what you sow
Or simply, once again. Back to what Drummond said a number of times about historical facts and pressure to spend once deficits were tamed…..Not sure there…one lightbulb.

Same two articles that show that DoFo has failed miserably in taming the debt or investing in industry.
Try using what god has given you and figure it out. See also the divides you’ve created federally too…linked for your cityiot, center of the universe lazy unable to grasp anything convenience right at the end of oh so much….

Allow me to point you towards loud squeaky wheels that don’t want road tolls. So Tory and Ford cave………..But do want and want and want everything for themselves. More transit, more bike lanes, more roads, the province to pay for the DVP, and Gardner, more LTCs, more TTC, more RNs, higher wages, more carbon taxes, more of the same…over and over..definition of insanity????

Allow me to point you towards
Toronto city council
Queens park
Ottawa
Mayors and Premieres and Primes from all 3 ideologies. All in debt again, up to their eyeballs again…

And ONE common denominator one tiny island of red…. Let us know if your still struggling…
 
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