Cop gets 20-day sentence for sex with girl, 15

[ogibowt]

Sorry lynch mob, I'm with Oagre on this.

In my parts the very most he could have gotten for what he was convicted of was a year. The Judge agreed to the plea and sentence recommendation (non-lawyers may think that Judges just automatically do this, let me assure you that this isn't true) the crime was "opportunistic and not predatory". The victim insisted that it was consensual and if she had been a year older it would have been entirely legal. The thread title makes this out to be something that it was not.

A ten year career has been flushed down the drain.

"if she had been a year older it would have been entirely legal", are you kidding me?..your Honour, if the keys werent in that car, i wouldnt of stolen it.............if i had a 8 inch dick i would be in porno.............Aardvark, this coming from you?..maybe mahovolich but not you..

 

[ogibowt]

I went to a bar to watch a band many years ago. I met a girl between sets and she asked if I wanted a beer. Up to the bar we go, she orders us a round and we sit there and chat for a bit. I got the next round and we watched the last set together. She was a really pretty girl, slim and tall with rather large breasts. She asked what I was doing after the show, I told her just going back to my place. She asked if I wanted to smoke a joint and I said sure so off we go back to my parents place. Lucky for me they were away. When we got there she noticed we had a pool in the back yard and said great, we can go skinny dipping.

So we smoked a joint, had a couple beers peeled off our clothes and jumped in the pool. All I can say is it was one of the best nights I've ever had. I'd never been with such an experienced girl before, she was simply amazing. We had sex in the pool and then in every room and on every piece of furniture. I gave her a ride home the next day, we kissed again before she got out. That's when I asked her how old she was. She looked at me with a sheepish grin and said "your going to kill me, I'll be 16 in a few months". I was just shy of 21 at the time.

The cop shouldn't have screwed around on his wife, but he did and he paid for it dearly. However I agree with MJL, he didn't use his position of authority to influence the girl and I believe him when he said he didn't know how old she was. Happened to me, actually twice but I'll save the second tale for another day.

if you felt the need to ask her how old she was after, you probably already knew the answer..................asking beforehand would have made you make a moral decision, not asking her until after, makes you a D bag..sorry just my own opinion.....

 

[GameBoy27]

if you felt the need to ask her how old she was after, you probably already knew the answer..................asking beforehand would have made you make a moral decision, not asking her until after, makes you a D bag..sorry just my own opinion.....

I felt no need to ask her age and no, I had absolutely zero reason to think she was 15 at the time. I figured she was right around my age and wondered if she was older or younger than me.

 

[ogibowt]

I felt no need to ask her age and no, I had absolutely zero reason to think she was 15 at the time. I figured she was right around my age and wondered if she was older or younger than me.

with respect.... a 21 year old with some street smarts, should discern that she was nowhere near his age...sorry.............i know you brought up this story, but man, i dont buy that you actually thought she was your age or even older..

 

[versitile1]

Sorry lynch mob, I'm with Oagre on this.
In my parts the very most he could have gotten for what he was convicted of was a year.

A year sounds more reasonable than 20 days.

The Judge agreed to the plea and sentence recommendation (non-lawyers may think that Judges just automatically do this, let me assure you that this isn't true) the crime was "opportunistic and not predatory".

So does that make it ok or acceptable?

The victim insisted that it was consensual and if she had been a year older it would have been entirely legal.

But she wasn't a "year older". She was 15 at the time, younger than the age of consent.

The thread title makes this out to be something that it was not.

How so? He was a cop, who had sex with a 15 year old, got busted and was sentenced to 20 days in jail. Seems pretty spot on to me.

A ten year career has been flushed down the drain.

His own fault, for thinking with his dick.

 

[Aardvark154]

Ogibowt, I agree that there was a price to be paid. But that price was paid, there is no need to draw and quarter the man as well.


Yes, I have some problems with strict liability.

 

[afterhours]

Ogibowt, I agree that there was a price to be paid. But that price was paid, there is no need to draw and quarter the man as well.

Losing a family and a sweet ass career is a hell of a price to pay. A little more jail would not have changed it much.

 

[red]

Losing a family and a sweet ass career is a hell of a price to pay. A little more jail would not have changed it much.

Why is it law and order types never make these arguments when the offender is a civilian?

 

[IM469]

maybe some look older, but please.. a trained cop can tell the difference between the speech patterns or body language of a 15 yr old as opposed to someone 18, or 19...seems to me he didn't care.he probably had a breakdown cause he got caught..........the sentence he got was way too short..

First, I don't care if he was married or he ran into marital difficulties because of he was caught - odds are it would happen anyway. It is irrelevant whether he was married or single. What is a fact is that he used liquor (illegal) on a 15 year old to induce a sexual relations with her (illegal). He is a cop - he may be off duty but he is still a cop. So there absolutely no inclination, no subtle hints that he shouldn't verify the age of the teen ? One very dumb cop.

The biggest problem that drives me nuts is there is a hypocrisy with most cops. Let's supposing this same cop never got caught. One day he pulls me over for speeding. When he gets to the car - he sees the young girl beside you passed out with her panties around her ankles. You explain that you are sober but you were buying drinks for your girlfriend and didn't realize how much she drank. She wakes up and says 'hi' to the cop in a drunken slur. On a whim the cop asks her age - she responds 15.

The cop will:
1) Tell you he could make the same mistake, caution you, give you your speeding ticket and let you go.
2) Ask the minor if she has a friend that would be interested in double dating.
3) Suggest the minor pull her panties up - give you a speeding ticket and offer to drive the minor home.
4) Put you under arrest, put you in the squad car, call in back up, call your wife, call the newspapers and personally ride the public humiliation as your life is shattered in a million pieces.

I am sure - the same cop with the circumstances switched would show you no mercy.

BTW: I have no problem with the sentence. The girls appearance, witness statements - the judge should be in a better position than me on fair punishment.

 

[Aardvark154]

Why is it law and order types never make these arguments when the offender is a civilian?

With this set of case facts I would certainly hope I would!

 

[nottyboi]

I think it is bullshit, and excessive. In this situation I think the whole circus will do more damage to the girl then the actual sex. Poor guy

 

[red]

First, I don't care if he was married or he ran into marital difficulties because of he was caught - odds are it would happen anyway. It is irrelevant whether he was married or single. What is a fact is that he used liquor (illegal) on a 15 year old to induce a sexual relations with her (illegal). He is a cop - he may be off duty but he is still a cop. So there absolutely no inclination, no subtle hints that he shouldn't verify the age of the teen ? One very dumb cop.

The biggest problem that drives me nuts is there is a hypocrisy with most cops. Let's supposing this same cop never got caught. One day he pulls me over for speeding. When he gets to the car - he sees the young girl beside you passed out with her panties around her ankles. You explain that you are sober but you were buying drinks for your girlfriend and didn't realize how much she drank. She wakes up and says 'hi' to the cop in a drunken slur. On a whim the cop asks her age - she responds 15.

The cop will:
1) Tell you he could make the same mistake, caution you, give you your speeding ticket and let you go.
2) Ask the minor if she has a friend that would be interested in double dating.
3) Suggest the minor pull her panties up - give you a speeding ticket and offer to drive the minor home.
4) Put you under arrest, put you in the squad car, call in back up, call your wife, call the newspapers and personally ride the public humiliation as your life is shattered in a million pieces.

I am sure - the same cop with the circumstances switched would show you no mercy.

BTW: I have no problem with the sentence. The girls appearance, witness statements - the judge should be in a better position than me on fair punishment.

Exactly

 

[IM469]

In this situation I think the whole circus will do more damage to the girl then the actual sex. Poor guy

You suggest that the actual sex could have caused some damage to the girl but follow up with 'poor guy' ?

 

[Aardvark154]

What is a fact is that he used liquor (illegal) on a 15 year old to induce a sexual relations with her (illegal).

From the article it doesn't indicate that he knew that one or both of them were underage and it should be pointed out that the father of the other girl was a co-purchaser. Further there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he purchased the beer in a attempt to "get into her pants." I know a number of TERBites have a real hatred of the system, but I find it stretching credulity that if the Crown Attorney's Office had any evidence that he was in fact attempting to to intoxicate her for sexual purposes that they would not have thrown the book at him.

 

[IM469]

It should be pointed out that the father of the other girl was a co-purchaser. Further there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he purchased the beer in a attempt to "get into her pants."

The co-purchaser does not in anyway affect the severity of the crime any differently than two guys holding up a bank is an less legal than for a single perpetrator. So inducing a teen to drink, dance and otherwise engage her in ever more promiscuous behavior was done without any intention of having sex when the opportunity presented itself ? The sex was just an lightening bolt idea that came in the journey upstairs ?

His only defense is I didn't know (and didn't want to ask). As for 'if the Crown Attorney's Office had any evidence that he was in fact attempting to to intoxicate her for sexual purposes that they would not have thrown the book at him.' - It would only be meaningful if he knew she was 15 otherwise with adults it would be a very crowded jail.

 

[The Fruity Hare]

From the article it doesn't indicate that he knew that one or both of them were underage and it should be pointed out that the father of the other girl was a co-purchaser. Further there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he purchased the beer in a attempt to "get into her pants." I know a number of TERBites have a real hatred of the system, but I find it stretching credulity that if the Crown Attorney's Office had any evidence that he was in fact attempting to to intoxicate her for sexual purposes that they would not have thrown the book at him.

You may have more info than me, but I didn't see anywhere in the linked article that his friend was the father of either girl:

Kirkland heard that the 15-year-old victim and another 17-year-old girl had been staying at the home of Borel’s friend for two days when Borel stopped by to visit.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

If it was a female cop and 15 yer old male victim, it would be all good in the hood here in TERB Land?

So what is the difference again???

 

[basketcase]

Though I can empathize with how screwed the guy's life has become, it was statutory rape.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

First, I don`t care if he was married or he ran into marital difficulties because of he was caught - odds are it would happen anyway. It is irrelevant whether he was married or single. What is a fact is that he used liquor (illegal) on a 15 year old to induce a sexual relations with her (illegal). He is a cop - he may be off duty but he is still a cop. So there absolutely no inclination, no subtle hints that he shouldn`t verify the age of the teen ? One very dumb cop.

The biggest problem that drives me nuts is there is a hypocrisy with most cops. Let`s supposing this same cop never got caught. One day he pulls me over for speeding. When he gets to the car - he sees the young girl beside you passed out with her panties around her ankles. You explain that you are sober but you were buying drinks for your girlfriend and didn`t realize how much she drank. She wakes up and says `hi` to the cop in a drunken slur. On a whim the cop asks her age - she responds 15.

The cop will:
1) Tell you he could make the same mistake, caution you, give you your speeding ticket and let you go.
2) Ask the minor if she has a friend that would be interested in double dating.
3) Suggest the minor pull her panties up - give you a speeding ticket and offer to drive the minor home.
4) Put you under arrest, put you in the squad car, call in back up, call your wife, call the newspapers and personally ride the public humiliation as your life is shattered in a million pieces.

I am sure - the same cop with the circumstances switched would show you no mercy.

BTW: I have no problem with the sentence. The girls appearance, witness statements - the judge should be in a better position than me on fair punishment.

Are you more pissed that it was a cop? I get confused. If he was her teacher would it be okay? You seem to be okay with it here - https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?463735-I-wish-she-was-my-Teacher

Gotta Love TERB!

LMAO!!!

 

[whatda]

Had to chime in to say the op is a serious mood killer.
It's Jan 2014 and he has you all debating over an article that was posted a year and a half ago.

"Cop gets 20-day sentence for sex with girl, 15
Sue Yanagisawa, QMI Agency
Wednesday, August 08, 2012, 11:43 PM"