Conservatives win St Paul's byelection

[Skoob]

I have family like this. Their minds are programmed to think Conservatives are evil and romanticize the Liberals.

You have to admit, the Liberals are masters of demonizing opposing parties and their supporters just blindly go along with their twisted schemes.

Imagine...they convinced their supporters that paying a carbon tax would actually make them richer. That's f*cking brilliant!

 

[Skoob]

Wow that was a close race. Does anyone know if there are any other by elections in the future?

The next federal election will be a goodbye election...does that count?

 

[DesRicardo]

This pic sums up Liberal government. I wonder if he still gets to sleep in front of her office.

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805651535877259743

 

[Valcazar]

Interesting to note Mad Max’s Peoples Party placed behind the Greens.

Conservative	Don Stewart	15,555	42.1 %
Liberal	Leslie Church	14,965	40.5 %
NDP-New Democratic Party	Amrit Parhar	4,044	10.9 %
Green Party	Christian Cullis	1,059	2.9 %
People's Party - PPC	Dennis Wilson	234	0.6 %

I wouldn't read TOO much into that.
A lot may have depended on how much the PPC people thought knocking off the Libs (or even scaring them) was worth it.
This is still First Past the Post - people are going to be voting strategically based on what they think their shot is.

At the same time, this was a by-election with people knowing it won't change the make up of government - no chance it brings down the government directly.
So they may have just been voting more honestly. (Greens or NDP who really wanted the Cons not to win could have voted Lib if they thought they needed to save the seat.)

It did feel like a big "message vote" overall though, with polls showing it would be tight and talk that a loss would mean Trudeau stepped down.
Who knows how many Liberals voted Conservative for this election just hoping it would mean Justin would go before 2025.

The only real message I think you can take from this is the Liberals are in BIG trouble and the Cons are where most of the "I'm pissed at Justin and/or the Liberals" votes are going.

 

[Valcazar]

It was a marginal victory by about 500 votes in a bye-election.

I'm not seeing it as a portend of much at all.

That feels like whistling past a graveyard.

A swing that big with a turn out that large is a snapshot of where the electorate is at (at least in that region).

Is it some kind of iron-clad prediction of election results next year?
No.

But it isn't nothing.

 

[Valcazar]

Attention, my hopium-addicted rightie brethren. Here are the results of the bye election.

The Tories plundered most of their increase in votes from leftie parties like the Greens and the NDP.

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You can't actually say that from these results.
You don't know who shifted where without exit polling.
The idea that all the "leftier than Lib" party supporters voted Conservative is a bit of a stretch without further evidence.

 

[wigglee]

Trudeau should resign, not because he is bad, but because the fake internet hyperbole is too much to overcome. People just hate him... because his face is too symmetrical or something. So a rebranding is in order with a new face at the helm. Is Bob Rae still young enough? He was unfairly tarnished in the 80's by both sides for choosing the correct middle path. He is brilliant and can wax poetically without notes.

 

[The Oracle]

Trudeau should resign, not because he is bad, but because the fake internet hyperbole is too much to overcome. People just hate him... because his face is too symmetrical or something. So a rebranding is in order with a new face at the helm. Is Bob Rae still young enough? He was unfairly tarnished in the 80's by both sides for choosing the correct middle path. He is brilliant and can wax poetically without notes.

LOL...Rae Days!

 

[Lenny59]

The ground is crumbling from under Trudope and his band and still they cling to their extremist policies.

 

[tml]

Consider this...people are fed up with Trudeau whether you think this was a "real" election or not.

If they are it wouldn't be anything we haven't seen in the past with leaders from all parties. 8 to 10 years is a good run for a party leader, especially if they are PM.

 

[Lenny59]

This pic sums up Liberal government. I wonder if he still gets to sleep in front of her office.

Is this for real?? The gall.

 

[james t kirk]

I have family like this. Their minds are programmed to think Conservatives are evil and romanticize the Liberals.

That's the thing.

People talk about how in Canada we are now seeing political divisions akin to US politics like we've never seen before. And there is truth in that. But when you look at it, it starts with Justin Trudeau .

In all my life, which is slipping more and more into decrepitude with each passing week, I've never seen such a divisive Prime Minister. He constantly insults and belittles ordinary Canadians who simply don't agree with him. We constantly get referred to as "racists", "misogynists", "islamophobes", "cruel", "small minded", "hateful", "homophobes", you name it. And for some, he suspends their constitutional rights, freezes their bank accounts, threatens to use the government to take away their children and holds them without bail for months.

These aren't his political rivals, these are ordinary Canadians he is constantly labeling as such. Just look at the rhetoric he and Freeland were using in the run-up to the by-election.

I can not think of a previous Prime Minister who ever behaved in such a reprehensible way in the past. Seriously. I don't recall Chretien, or Mulroney or PET ever calling Canadian people racists or misogynists. 45 percent of the population never would have voted for the Liberals and to Justin that means they are all racists and misogynist and homophobic. It's sick.

He's just like Hilary Clinton who labeled half of Americans "deplorables". No Hilary, they are citizens of the United States and the fact that they were not going to vote for you doesn't make them a deplorable.

Same goes to Poilievre, don't ever make that mistake. Don't label citizens who choose not to vote for you as anything but people you simply have a political disagreement with. In closing, i recall the late great John McCain who actually came to the defense of Barack Obama during political rallies when things got carried away. Can't imagine Justin Trudeau ever being a gentleman like that. And for that he deserves to lose.

 

[ptp]

 

[squeezer]

Trudeau should resign, not because he is bad, but because the fake internet hyperbole is too much to overcome. People just hate him... because his face is too symmetrical or something. So a rebranding is in order with a new face at the helm. Is Bob Rae still young enough? He was unfairly tarnished in the 80's by both sides for choosing the correct middle path. He is brilliant and can wax poetically without notes.

The dilemma lies in identifying a successor who can surpass the previous leader's performance. When Mulroney stepped down, Campbell's leadership led to significant electoral setbacks for the party in subsequent elections. A notable instance is the victory of a Loblaw lobbyist in St. Paul, exemplifying how voters can be influenced by misinformation campaigns. Allegations blaming Justin for inflation and various other issues contribute to this narrative

 

[mandrill]

You can't actually say that from these results.
You don't know who shifted where without exit polling.
The idea that all the "leftier than Lib" party supporters voted Conservative is a bit of a stretch without further evidence.

Agreed. Probably more like a general shift to the right by all voters. NDP-ers voting Lib and some Lib voters going Tory.

 

[mandrill]

That's the thing.

People talk about how in Canada we are now seeing political divisions akin to US politics like we've never seen before. And there is truth in that. But when you look at it, it starts with Justin Trudeau .

In all my life, which is slipping more and more into decrepitude with each passing week, I've never seen such a divisive Prime Minister. He constantly insults and belittles ordinary Canadians who simply don't agree with him. We constantly get referred to as "racists", "misogynists", "islamophobes", "cruel", "small minded", "hateful", "homophobes", you name it. And for some, he suspends their constitutional rights, freezes their bank accounts, threatens to use the government to take away their children and holds them without bail for months.

These aren't his political rivals, these are ordinary Canadians he is constantly labeling as such. Just look at the rhetoric he and Freeland were using in the run-up to the by-election.

I can not think of a previous Prime Minister who ever behaved in such a reprehensible way in the past. Seriously. I don't recall Chretien, or Mulroney or PET ever calling Canadian people racists or misogynists. 45 percent of the population never would have voted for the Liberals and to Justin that means they are all racists and misogynist and homophobic. It's sick.

He's just like Hilary Clinton who labeled half of Americans "deplorables". No Hilary, they are citizens of the United States and the fact that they were not going to vote for you doesn't make them a deplorable.

Same goes to Poilievre, don't ever make that mistake. Don't label citizens who choose not to vote for you as anything but people you simply have a political disagreement with. In closing, i recall the late great John McCain who actually came to the defense of Barack Obama during political rallies when things got carried away. Can't imagine Justin Trudeau ever being a gentleman like that. And for that he deserves to lose.

James, no.

The KKKonvoy trolls were not "ordinary Canadians".

And no government is going to let trolls occupy a major city for 3 weeks and do nothing.

 

[Frankfooter]

That's the thing.

People talk about how in Canada we are now seeing political divisions akin to US politics like we've never seen before. And there is truth in that. But when you look at it, it starts with Justin Trudeau .

In all my life, which is slipping more and more into decrepitude with each passing week, I've never seen such a divisive Prime Minister. He constantly insults and belittles ordinary Canadians who simply don't agree with him. We constantly get referred to as "racists", "misogynists", "islamophobes", "cruel", "small minded", "hateful", "homophobes", you name it. And for some, he suspends their constitutional rights, freezes their bank accounts, threatens to use the government to take away their children and holds them without bail for months.

These aren't his political rivals, these are ordinary Canadians he is constantly labeling as such. Just look at the rhetoric he and Freeland were using in the run-up to the by-election.

I can not think of a previous Prime Minister who ever behaved in such a reprehensible way in the past. Seriously. I don't recall Chretien, or Mulroney or PET ever calling Canadian people racists or misogynists. 45 percent of the population never would have voted for the Liberals and to Justin that means they are all racists and misogynist and homophobic. It's sick.

He's just like Hilary Clinton who labeled half of Americans "deplorables". No Hilary, they are citizens of the United States and the fact that they were not going to vote for you doesn't make them a deplorable.

Same goes to Poilievre, don't ever make that mistake. Don't label citizens who choose not to vote for you as anything but people you simply have a political disagreement with. In closing, i recall the late great John McCain who actually came to the defense of Barack Obama during political rallies when things got carried away. Can't imagine Justin Trudeau ever being a gentleman like that. And for that he deserves to lose.

You are worried about a leader who you think is dividing the country so would prefer the guy who marched with the anti vaxxers, is linked to incels and has never had a real job?

 

[Butler1000]

The dilemma lies in identifying a successor who can surpass the previous leader's performance. When Mulroney stepped down, Campbell's leadership led to significant electoral setbacks for the party in subsequent elections. A notable instance is the victory of a Loblaw lobbyist in St. Paul, exemplifying how voters can be influenced by misinformation campaigns. Allegations blaming Justin for inflation and various other issues contribute to this narrative

They are toast. Trudeau could go out to the Rudeau Canal tomorrow and walk on top of it and most of the nation would deride him for showing off and for not being able to swim.

He is long past his best before date both domestically and internationally.

The Liberals are just going to have to take their lumps the next election. As to who can take over, it's really a matter of WHO WOULD BE DUMB ENOUGH TO. Any new leader is the sacrificial lamb.

I'm betting any MP who can exit with a pension plan before next year will do so. Like Parrish did. Any who have to wait will take the beating but not spend much money for their campaign. Libs at this point maybe retain 30 seats. If the economy tanks further possibly a Campbellesque blood bath.

And Carney probably rides in as the new broom after this happens.

 

[mandrill]

That's the thing.

People talk about how in Canada we are now seeing political divisions akin to US politics like we've never seen before. And there is truth in that. But when you look at it, it starts with Justin Trudeau .

In all my life, which is slipping more and more into decrepitude with each passing week, I've never seen such a divisive Prime Minister. He constantly insults and belittles ordinary Canadians who simply don't agree with him. We constantly get referred to as "racists", "misogynists", "islamophobes", "cruel", "small minded", "hateful", "homophobes", you name it. And for some, he suspends their constitutional rights, freezes their bank accounts, threatens to use the government to take away their children and holds them without bail for months.

These aren't his political rivals, these are ordinary Canadians he is constantly labeling as such. Just look at the rhetoric he and Freeland were using in the run-up to the by-election.

I can not think of a previous Prime Minister who ever behaved in such a reprehensible way in the past. Seriously. I don't recall Chretien, or Mulroney or PET ever calling Canadian people racists or misogynists. 45 percent of the population never would have voted for the Liberals and to Justin that means they are all racists and misogynist and homophobic. It's sick.

He's just like Hilary Clinton who labeled half of Americans "deplorables". No Hilary, they are citizens of the United States and the fact that they were not going to vote for you doesn't make them a deplorable.

Same goes to Poilievre, don't ever make that mistake. Don't label citizens who choose not to vote for you as anything but people you simply have a political disagreement with. In closing, i recall the late great John McCain who actually came to the defense of Barack Obama during political rallies when things got carried away. Can't imagine Justin Trudeau ever being a gentleman like that. And for that he deserves to lose.

James, let's talk about what's REALLY happening.

The great - Russian-funded and China-supported - political revelation of the last 10 years is that there is a hardcore of less educated voters, often older and rural, who will hate-vote against any urban and progressive political platform. You just feed those voters slogans and buzzwords, point to a centrist political leader and rant about "the good old days" and let the dollars and votes roll in.

Steve Bannon worked this shtick out with Vlad Putin in the the early teens and voila Trump, Farage and now PeePee.

There's no content to this politics. It's just vague promises, hate and angry pseudo-nostalgia.

Biden's a smart enough guy and a good enough politician to (probably) deal with this. Trudeau is not and never has been. There is no good reason that Trudeau ever got to be PM. He's a drama teacher who looks good in a suit and smiles a lot. So while Biden can avoid obvious own goals in his quotes and speeches, Trudeau cannot.

What do you think PeePee is actually going to accomplish for Canadians when you decide you've had enough of Trudeau's dumb quips and vote the Tories in?

Has PeePee ever had a real job? Does he know any "real Canadians"? Does he have an actual policy position on anything? Does he have any real plans to deal with any of the crises that Canada is facing?

The housing crisis is a real fucking crisis that is wrecking this country. What does PeePee intend to do about it?

How about immigration? And the hit on CPP from aging Canadians and the falling birth rate?

The answer I get to all of that is.... PeePee doesn't give a fuck and will do dick-all about any of that shit.

PeePee's popular?........... Yeah, so was Boris Johnson when tens of millions of dumbass Brits believed that Brexit would suddenly make Britain the most prosperous country in the world again within 10 years. It was a classic rightie populist bullshit scam. Like everything Trump and PeePee say and do as well.

Try PeePee for 5 years. You'll be rid of the woke dickhead you despise. And you'll get a no-talent, Tory career insider who will do fuck-all to solve any real problems and come up with a series of Boris-style political gimmicks to survive in Ottawa. Like the new-style British Tories who are almost certainly about to lose the biggest landslide election in UK history.

Or maybe PeePee will suddenly invent Canexit or "Build a Wall".