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Presently. The other one committed genocide 50 years ago.
So we can give the present one a pass in 50 years. It'll all be in the past.
So did Germany 80 years ago. And Turkey did 100 or so years ago. So? Neither are any of those given a pass, because they are held accountable, nor do they justify the present one.
 
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So did Germany 80 years ago. And Turkey did 100 or so years ago. So? Neither are any of those given a pass, because they are held accountable, nor do they justify the present one.
Do you see me making excuses for Turkey or Germany? Don't make excuses for Pakistan.

"Minorities are free to practice their religion" and shit like that ... Please.
 

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Do you see me making excuses for Turkey or Germany? Don't make excuses for Pakistan.

"Minorities are free to practice their religion" and shit like that ... Please.
It is a fact that Pakistan is NOT an ethno-state, despite the religious discrimination. It is also a fact that Israel, is an ethno-supremacist, state that enacts laws to enable the creation and maintenance of an ethnostate. Stop making excuses for Israel and drawing incorrect comparisons.
 

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Stop making excuses for Israel and drawing incorrect comparisons.
I'm not making excuses for Israel. I'm saying Pakistan is no different. They also enact laws to wantonly discriminate against their minorities.

The right won't criticize zionists, no matter what, because that would be "antisemitic '.

Thr left won't criticize Muslims, no matter what, because that would be "Islamophobic".
 

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I'm not making excuses for Israel. I'm saying Pakistan is no different.
There is no apartheid, occupation, blockade or genocide going on in Pakistan.
The brits are gone, there is no colonial government.

They are very different.
 

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I'm not making excuses for Israel. I'm saying Pakistan is no different. They also enact laws to wantonly discriminate against their minorities.

The right won't criticize zionists, no matter what, because that would be "antisemitic '.

Thr left won't criticize Muslims, no matter what, because that would be "Islamophobic".
The right wont criticize Zionists because they actually hate Muslims more than they love Jews. The left criticize Muslims all the time. What the left does not support is Islamophobia.

And Pakistan IS different. Religious discrimination exists. But they are not attempting to create an ethno-supremacist ethno-state like Israel. For example, Pakistan does not allow Muslims from any part of the world to become automatic citizens just because they are Muslims. Foreign citizens regardless of religion need to naturalize. OTOH as long as you are Jewish you can move to Israel and claim citizenship.
 
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Sure, basketcase, everyone is now antisemitic,...
No, just you. You have a very length history of using both old-school and new tropes, promoting Jewish conspiracy theories, and supporting overt anti-semites (like seeing no problem with your hero claiming "The Jewish Lobby has subjugated America"
 

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Jordan stopped that expansionism in 1949.
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Jordan annexed the West Bank. You have no problem with that even though the PLO did.

How about Turkey's continued subjugation on Northern Cyprus and treatment of Greek Cypriots as second class citizens or their occupation of part of Syria and repression of their Kurdish population? Turkey's a NATO member. Shouldn't they be held to higher standards than non-allied countries?
 
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I already commented on the facts of the article, that the author forgot to mention that it is under the Christians and the Europeans that Jews were genocided. 🤷‍♂️
How about the pogroms in Iraq and Algeria during WWII? Damascus in 1840? The Ottoman Empire had a million Jews in 1919 and during many periods jews were officially second class citizens.

More significantly, the OP was not about Israel.
 

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Why would I refute history? Arab colonization of the middle east and North Africa started in the 7th century and it is ancient history now. .l..
Except it's not. The conflict in Sudan is partially based on the racial hierarchy implemented by the Islamic expansion where non-Arab Muslims are seen as lesser and non-Muslims are free game for groups like the Janjaweed.

The Muslim expansion into the Indian Subcontinent is also the root of the conflict between India and Pakistan.
 
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