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Ironhead

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I do know that it was Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves.....a white gentleman I might add.

just stating some facts!
LOL. If you're gonna state facts, then know your facts in context. The only reason Lincoln "freed the slaves" was to destablize the South (if you want, read the transcripts of his campaign and you'll see he was not wholly against slavery). He also invited he freed slave to fight for the North; effectively strengthening his army).
OK ... I read what you(Toke) quoted from Chewy ... I do not understand what your point is ... you reinforce what he said but imply he was incorrect. Lincoln did free the slaves.
 

2canchew

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LOL. If you're gonna state facts, then know your facts in context. The only reason Lincoln "freed the slaves" was to destablize the South (if you want, read the transcripts of his campaign and you'll see he was not wholly against slavery). He also invited he freed slave to fight for the North; effectively strengthening his army).
LOL So...I guess....I'm right then?
 

2canchew

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Adding random "facts" surrounded by privileged gibberish (first the Fuzzy Zoeller idiocy, then putting the Irish, and in particular, "travellers" Wikipedia entry was gold) into this particular discussion about sports business cum race relations in the US just shows how out of touch you are.

Black people and First Nations don't have to "just get over it" any more than Jews do the Holocaust, etc., until there is a time where all land claims are settled, reparation is made and we have a society where one ethnicity (privileged white folks) does not hold a disproportionate amount of power, money and influence over others because of recent past horrifically underhanded, if not outright evil dealings.

And for the love of God, please don't ever bring up Fuzzy Zoeller (even if Tiger should have handled it better, Fuzz was dead wrong + ignorant) and the Irish (you obviously know NOTHING about it - try spending meaningful time there or reading a non-Wikipedia source) to make your non-points again. You're embarrassing yourself.
Isn't that what the internet is for, to look up information if you want more accuracy?:confused:
 

Carling

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What I really don't get is the use of the n word by black people but even if you were singing along to a hip hop song you get a dirty look. It cannot be overlooked anymore, there has to be some consistancy.
you are right... wanna come with me to my friends place and you can drop n-bombs all you want.... open invite... pm me, brave boy.
 

Carling

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No, because back in those days, good "whites" gave your fellow black people freedom from those other "whites". Now there is only one racist, Barack Obama, who is violating the 13th Amendment for involuntary servitude ObamaCare, and then he committed election fraud which is now exposed through the Benghazi memo. What a fucking bastard! When he's kicked out, is there gonna be riots because of Obama calling himself black, by some sort of eye-wink code?

... I'm just saying, and I'm right. You have to call Obama a racist first because any criticism of him is classified as racist. But we all know Obama is pumping the racist bullshit against all Americans through the NBA controversy to save his ideology of crypt-communism for as long as possible. What does he care, now? He just got caught, and the scandal is massively rotten for him and his goon squad.

Gyaos.
wow, you're drinking some funny shit , there... ^^ perfect example of old white man politics.
 

Carling

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Adding random "facts" surrounded by privileged gibberish (first the Fuzzy Zoeller idiocy, then putting the Irish, and in particular, "travellers" Wikipedia entry was gold) into this particular discussion about sports business cum race relations in the US just shows how out of touch you are.

Black people and First Nations don't have to "just get over it" any more than Jews do the Holocaust, etc., until there is a time where all land claims are settled, reparation is made and we have a society where one ethnicity (privileged white folks) does not hold a disproportionate amount of power, money and influence over others because of recent past horrifically underhanded, if not outright evil dealings.

And for the love of God, please don't ever bring up Fuzzy Zoeller (even if Tiger should have handled it better, Fuzz was dead wrong + ignorant) and the Irish (you obviously know NOTHING about it - try spending meaningful time there or reading a non-Wikipedia source) to make your non-points again. You're embarrassing yourself.
LOL...awesome! couldnt have said it any better
 

richaceg

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He doesn't have to be a racist to take heat for his comments, and calls for firing. The man is obviously confused and frustrated, which is not uncommon. We don't choose who we are sexually attracted to. Our bodies decide that. Just ask the KKK leader who was caught with a black male prostitute http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/kkk-leader-caught-with-a-black-male-prostitute.html

He is a business owner that has damaged the reputation and image of his business. He needs to leave.
there's racism in everyone...even for just a little. But penises are always fown for some pussy in any shape, color or form...
 

Captain Fantastic

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It's one thing to plead ignorance, it's another to open your mouth a prove it or in your case type it!

My birth place, SHANNON IRELAND and if want to know what the Irish went through I suggest that you read and keep on reading. As for Fuzzy, if you think he was out of line for a comical off the cuff remark then my I suggest one last thing, get off your self righteous high horse and get a since of humor. That's the problem with this society we can't laugh at each other with out some racial BS.
You may have been born in Ireland, but you don't have a clue. If you think Irish people just laugh off the putdowns and past indiscretions of English (or Scots, Protestants/Catholics, etc.) you're either delusional or a liar. Half of the Irish arts are about how oppressed and downtrodden they were/are. I've seen guys get glassed/bottled and beaten down for being mildly pro-English in the wrong place - don't get me started on religious brawls - so please spare me the other people are too thin-skinned b.s.

In fact, I can name at least 7-8 bars in Toronto off the top of my head where I'd never make fun of the Irish (if I were so inclined) based on stereotypes, history, etc., for fear of getting jumped.

Travellers are a whole 'nother story - they choose to live outside of societal norms, often at the expense of private landowners, taxpayers, etc. While they don't deserve to be persecuted, they also need not be embraced. You choose to be different - let alone break laws & societal convention - then all you deserve is basic human rights and a modicum of respect.

Fuzzy Zoeller didn't know and wasn't friendly, let alone friends with Tiger Woods and he dropped an ethnic stereotype out there as a joke about Tiger, so why should Woods pretend that he was okay with it? Again, try going into a bar or social setting and saying stuff like that to a complete stranger.

Like I stated, Tiger could have been more gracious (time has come to show that to be prophetic.) But he was a 21-year old kid of colour playing on an all-white (other than Vijay) tour after having experienced racism for years in the lilly-white world of golf. Fuzzy was what, 47-years old? Who should have known better and been more of an adult?

Isn't that what the internet is for, to look up information if you want more accuracy?
Wikipedia is neither accurate nor particularly useful information - copying & pasting it without referencing shows a lack of critical and cogent thought.


Back to the topic:

End of the day, Donald Sterling represented the 29 other owners of NBA franchises, the league and its players. Membership in the "ownership club" is a privilege, not a right. He disrespected the vast majority of the labour force. He alienated a good percentage of the fan base (of all colours.) He embarrassed the sponsors, media partners and league. In an environment that is based on revenue sharing, that is the cardinal sin - don't mess with peoples' wallets! Rule #2: don't disrespect the talent and paying customers.
 

SkyRider

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Sterling said that he didn't want his GF to socialize with blacks because he was jealous and wanted to get into her pants.
 

SkyRider

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According to CNN, Donald Sterling has apologized and asked for forgiveness.

If we don't forgive him, what would that say about us?
 

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I hate to say this since I understand that Sterling is not a good person. I also understand that he has to go for the greater good of the league. However, how can the league fine him 2.5 mil for something said in private that was illegally taped in a state that has laws against taping people without their consent? I'm against racism but I'm even more pro privacy. The league should just kick him out and that's it.

Anyway, I wonder how successful a lawsuit against the gf will be. I mean, her illegal act of taping is going to cost the Sterling family 300-400 mil in taxes if they are force to sell before Donald sterling and his wife dies.
 

jcpro

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I hate to say this since I understand that Sterling is not a good person. I also understand that he has to go for the greater good of the league. However, how can the league fine him 2.5 mil for something said in private that was illegally taped in a state that has laws against taping people without their consent? I'm against racism but I'm even more pro privacy. The league should just kick him out and that's it.

Anyway, I wonder how successful a lawsuit against the gf will be. I mean, her illegal act of taping is going to cost the Sterling family 300-400 mil in taxes if they are force to sell before Donald sterling and his wife dies.
And how, exactly, can the NBA make him sell this asset?
 

jcpro

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The agreement that all owners agreed to in writing.
it's going to take a while and he'll make a pile of dough on the deal, if they can force him to sell. The rules are certainly open to interpretation, and if he decides to fight, he can streach this until he strokes out. It's very difficult to divest an individual against his will in America.
 

SkyRider

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The rules are certainly open to interpretation, and if he decides to fight, he can streach this until he strokes out. It's very difficult to divest an individual against his will in America.
Does the NBA "constitution" conflict with the real U.S. Constitution? Remember when Curt Flood successfully fought the MLB "reserve clause" in a real court?
 

jcpro

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Does the NBA "constitution" conflict with the real U.S. Constitution? Remember when Curt Flood successfully fought the MLB "reserve clause" in a real court?
Using article 13 of the NBA constitution might not be as easy as as some think. It applies as a remedy for financial problems. The Clippers are not in financial difficulties. As for the race part, the NBA will have to prove in court that Sterling was actively racist while running the Clippers. Easy right? Except that Sterling already proved in the court of law that he was not(in front of a jury no less)-a 2009 discrimination suit Sterling vs. Beylor. And of course, there's a breach of contract suit he will file(if not already) against the NBA. It would've been better, cheaper and easier to fine and ban him and leave it at that. Trying to take away his asset unlocked the Pandora's box of shit. The owners will vote him out, but that might not change anything. It's a very complex case.
 

Dawgger

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Unless the league comes up with a compromise, this will play out in the courts until Sterling passes. He has the money and the will to fight it. Should the league lose, the cost to them will be huge, not just financially, in image as well. I think the NBA wants this to go away as quickly and quietly as possible.
 

SkyRider

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Should the league lose, the cost to them will be huge, not just financially, in image as well. I think the NBA wants this to go away as quickly and quietly as possible.
Offer the Sterlings $2 billion to go away quietly and never speak about this again. No doubt all those people offended by him asking his GF in PRIVATE to not invite blacks to NBA games will be happy to contribute to the buyout. $2 billion solves a lot of problems.
 
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