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JohnLarue

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you must be referring to the Convoy people.... Freedumb!
speaking of dumb
how you came to that foolish conclusion is perplexing
no one in the freedom convoy glued their faces to pavement, intentionally mislead children or destroyed priceless works of art
the nutjob activists in question are the irrational environmentalists
 

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It's all great, but these two are the best:



The tropopause is a boundary layer. It doesn't really have a temperature. But then you post a graph showing a 0.6°C increase in 40-ish years?

#3 is pure gobbledygook. The 15 micron wavelength of what? Is saturated how? Are you trying to say that no 15micron radiation reaches through the atmosphere? You seem to be operating in a world where people don't have google. I'm not a beer-lambert expert, but that form of the equation has 6 conditions needed to be valid, none of which are true when it comes to the atmosphere. Further, the form of the equation that is applied to the atmosphere is not the one you posted here.
Keep this up and Johnny will start ignoring your posts as well. he doesn't react well to people actually challenging his pseudoscientific posts.
 

Valcazar

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Keep this up and Johnny will start ignoring your posts as well. he doesn't react well to people actually challenging his pseudoscientific posts.
Oh, but @boobtoucher , if you can, stay long enough for LaRue to short circuit into repeating the same meme or quote again and again like a broken robot.
It's kind of hilarious the first time you see it.
 

JohnLarue

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Oh, but @boobtoucher , if you can, stay long enough for LaRue to short circuit into repeating the same meme or quote again and again like a broken robot.
It's kind of hilarious the first time you see it.

and what do you bring to the discussion?

insults you lack the stones to make directly

prove the scientific facts presented are incorrect or do what you do best .. run away
 
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Frankfooter

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and what do you bring to the discussion?

insults you lack the stones to make directly

prove the scientific facts presented are incorrect or do what you do best .. run away
The way you run away by pretending people are on ignore?
That''s the most cowardly of all.
 

bver_hunter

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Thankfully changes driven by climate alarmism should render disasters like
this a thing of the past in the near future. Our leaders and majority of the population
have long understood and accepted climate change. What needs to be done is
to see to it that climate policies initiated are to remain in place and progress
steadily. By 2050 emission will be reduced to zero if government's climate
plans are on schedule. Oil production will carry on beyond 2050 but according
to Steven Guilbeault he approved the Bay Du Nord project only under the
condition that the project will attain zero emission by then. Extending zero
emission requirement from offshore Newfoundland to Alberta oil sands and
other oil producing regions should enable us to continue exporting oil into
the distant future free of concerns about hurricanes and forest fire.


Climate activists' would better shift their focus from climate alarmism
to monitoring our government's climate policies. Any signs of slack in
our climate leaders must be dealt with by climate lawsuits and strikes.
What is this "Climate Alarmism" that the far right Climate Change Deniers seems to harp on a constant basis?
Lets get real as this Climate Change is reality that somehow needs to be addressed. Especially, as these forest fires from the record warm temperatures as early as May, is unearthing more and more Canadians from their homes, especially for now those residing in Alberta and even BC. The fact is that Climate Change Deniers must come to some common sense and look to a Greener and less Green House Gas Emission Future, rather than building and rebuilding more and more pipelines that no one wants in their own backyards. (NIMBY). They are okay if these pipelines are built in the lands designated for the Indigenous Community who are opposed to it. They have had to put up with spillages and contaminated water over the decades!!

Sure you should go and sue whoever you feel is not implementing these policies in a more concise manner!!
 

oil&gas

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Ghawar
What is this "Climate Alarmism" that the far right Climate Change Deniers seems to harp on a constant basis? Lets get real as this Climate Change is reality that somehow needs to be addressed.
The most positive response a far right climate change denier addressed by a climate alarmist
is to switch support to some leftie leaders on their promise of zero emission. Given the dismal
support the People's Party has it is not likely alarmism would affect significantly occurrence of
wildfire and extent of warming in the future.

Especially, as these forest fires from the record warm temperatures as early as May, is unearthing more and more Canadians from their homes, especially for now those residing in Alberta and even BC. The fact is that Climate Change Deniers must come to some common sense and look to a Greener and less Green House Gas Emission Future, rather than building and rebuilding more and more pipelines that no one wants in their own backyards. (NIMBY). They are okay if these pipelines are built in the lands designated for the Indigenous Community who are opposed to it. They have had to put up with spillages and contaminated water over the decades!!

Sure you should go and sue whoever you feel is not implementing these policies in a more concise manner!!
 
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The most positive response a far right climate change denier addressed by a climate alarmist
is to switch support to some leftie leaders on their promise of zero emission. Given the dismal
support the People's Party has it is not likely alarmism would affect significantly occurrence of
wildfire and extent of warming in the future.
Alarmism is just not with the People's Party, but with even a large section of the Conservative Party.
When PP even states that he will want to scarp the Bills C-48 and C-69 and of course build more pipelines than what is needed in the short or long term.
Eventual zero emission needs to be addressed and such reversals of Bills that are designated to aid this goal purely to appease the far right voters within the ranks!!
 

oil&gas

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The Conservatives' plan to build more pipelines has nothing to do with
climate change denial. Harper was not a denier when he was PM and
neither is PP.

You can build more pipelines and still cut emission. It is just like how the
Liberals can impose zero emission condition on deep water oil production
offshore Newfoundland.
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Environmental groups announced today they are suing to overturn the federal government’s approval of Bay du Nord, Canada’s first deepwater oil drilling site.

In April, Environment and Climate Change Minister Steven Guilbeault approved Bay du Nord, stating the project was environmentally sound. He determined the project, about 500 kilometres east of St. John’s, “is not likely to cause significant adverse environmental effects.”

Ecojustice, on behalf of Équiterre and Sierra Club Canada, will argue in Federal Court, that Bay du Nord could harm the environment and Guilbeault unlawfully approved the project.

Norwegian energy giant Equinor and its partner company Husky (owned by Cenovus) will operate the Bay du Nord project, which includes numerous exploration and discovery licences, the creation of a floating oil production station and the drilling of up to 40 wells in the Flemish Pass Basin. Guilbeault’s statement about the environmental decision was posted with conditions, including requiring Equinor to develop a “marine mammal and sea turtle monitoring plan” and a requirement that the project would be net zero emissions by 2050.
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the government claims to understand climate science and has "made many promises to do its part to tackel climate change."

“But the decision demonstrates that those promises are really more talk than action at this point. And Canada just can't be a climate leader and approve projects like this at the same time.”
 

oil&gas

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Here is more evidence of the world has been fully alarmed by climate
change and it is not just the western world. In fact before this event China,
India and Saudi Arabia already made pledge of zero emission target though
on a less urgent timeline stretched into more distant future than states in
the western world like Canada and Australia. Now in place of emission
reduction it is accelerated climate action they pledged. Meanwhile India
and China are buying cheap sanctioned Russian oil with both hands and
continue building more coal power plants.

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Leaders Gather At Annual UN Policy Forum To Tackle Asia And The Pacific’s Most Daunting Threat – Climate Change
May 15, 2023

The United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific (ESCAP) opened its 79th session in Bangkok today, with global and regional leaders calling for urgent action to combat climate change and its dire impacts.

They urged countries in the region to meet their nationally determined contributions, intensify development of climate-sensitive technology, nurture policy environments supporting both industrial diversification and low-emission transport, as well as increase investments in renewable energy infrastructure.

“Asia and the Pacific can set the pace of climate action in the decades to come. Most countries in the region have already pledged carbon neutrality goals towards mid-century. But we need to accelerate action, with steep reductions in emissions within the next few years,” said United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres in his opening message.

Climate change poses major challenges to all strands of sustainable development in Asia and the Pacific. The region includes 13 of the 30 countries most vulnerable to climate impacts and without concerted action, it could see an additional 7.5 million people fall into poverty by 2030.

“Each one of us and every aspect of our world is being affected. Those who are most exposed and have the fewest resources to respond to climate change, however, are the most vulnerable,” said Armida Salsiah Alisjahbana, United Nations Under-Secretary-General and Executive Secretary of ESCAP. She added that the integrated nature of climate change calls for holistic, multisectoral solutions as well as targeted support.

Fekitamoeloa Katoa ʻUtoikamanu, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Tourism of Tonga who was elected Chair of the 79th session, underscored that inclusive intergovernmental platforms such as ESCAP are a lifeline for the Pacific. “While the Pacific small island developing States contribute less than 0.03 per cent of the world’s total greenhouse gas emissions, they are amongst the most vulnerable to the impacts of climate change. In this regard, ESCAP is an important platform to advocate for regional and global action to achieve their climate goals.”

“The IPCC clearly demonstrates that the lower the emissions in 2030, the lower the challenge in limiting global warming to 1.5°C after 2030. Integrated planning, coherent policies, and economic stimulus investments designed to meet both the Sustainable Development Goals and climate challenges can generate significant co-benefits and speed up progress,” said Lachezara Stoeva, President of the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC).

“We used to say that the choices we make will define the future for the generations after us. Now we have to say that the choices we make will decide whether there will be a future for the generations after us,” shared Csaba Kőrösi, President of the United Nations General Assembly. He added, “We are not lacking in ideas and plans; it is high time we realized them.”

Heads of State and Government from Bangladesh, Indonesia, Mongolia, Palau, the Philippines, Samoa, Thailand, Tonga, Tuvalu and the Cook Islands also addressed the opening session. While voicing grave concerns about the complexities and growing threats of climate change on sustainable development, they expressed their optimism for shared solidarity and cooperation towards building a resilient, sustainable and prosperous future for all.

More than 880 participants from 61 member States, associate members and permanent observers as well as representatives from academia, international organizations, youth, business and civil society are attending the session this week.

It is expected to culminate on Friday with the adoption of ten resolutions covering, among others, recommendations for accelerated climate action, ocean protection, environmental protection, disaster risk reduction, supporting countries in special situations, promoting digital cooperation and inclusion, the use of space applications for sustainable development, advancing sustainable urban development and launching a new decade of persons with disabilities.

 

Insidious Von

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Ah luxurious climate change, yah gotta love it.

You can deny climate change and natural physics as well. Energy generated equals energy expended. When I heard that Timmins had reached a temperature of 34C (don't know what the HumidX was) it be came clear. to quote Russell Peters, that someone was going to get hurt real bad. It happened, a tornado ripped through Barrhaven near Ottawa. With global warming, tornadoes have become widespread due to heat energy. To find out how severe future tornado seasons will be, I had to find out where Barrhaven was. It's located south of Napean and east of Kanata - what a relief! Once a tornado hits Gatineau - Vanier we're fucked.

 

JohnLarue

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Ah luxurious climate change, yah gotta love it.

You can deny climate change and natural physics as well.
climate changes, always has, always will. completely independent of mankinds activities


A 0.01% change in atmospheric composition does not control our non-linear , dynamic , chaotic climate system
the natural physics of climate is far more complex than that

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Energy generated equals energy expended.
not quite
kinetic energy + potential energy is conserved

CO2 does not create or store energy

When I heard that Timmins had reached a temperature of 34C (don't know what the HumidX was) it be came clear. to quote Russell Peters, that someone was going to get hurt real bad.
snowfall in saudi arabia 2022 - Search (bing.com)



It happened, a tornado ripped through Barrhaven near Ottawa. With global warming, tornadoes have become widespread due to heat energy.
What the media won't tell you about . . . Tornadoes (substack.com)

we can have strong confidence that major tornado incidence so far this century has decreased.
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To find out how severe future tornado seasons will be, I had to find out where Barrhaven was. It's located south of Napean and east of Kanata - what a relief! Once a tornado hits Gatineau - Vanier we're fucked.
how in the world does locating Barrhaven on a map enable you to
find out how severe future tornado seasons will be




Nobel Laureate: “Climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience” - Gript

Dr. John F. Clauser, joint recipient of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics, has criticized the climate emergency narrative calling it “a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people.”
Dr. Clauser said that “there is no climate crisis and that increasing CO2 concentrations will benefit the world”
He criticized the prevalent climate models as being unreliable and not accounting for the dramatic temperature-stabilizing feedback of clouds, which he says is more than fifty times as powerful as the radiative forcing effect of CO2.
“In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s expanding population, especially given an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science,” he said.
and you were so confident in spreading climate alarmism - oh well
 
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Globalists Suggest "Finance Shock" And Climate Controls To Launch Their Great Reset

FRIDAY, JUL 14, 2023 - 11:40 PM
Authored by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.us,
At the end of June government leaders and think-tank power brokers from around the world met at the Summit for a New Global Financing Pact in Paris. Participants include United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva and World Bank President Ajay Banga.



The supposed purpose of the summit was to find financial solutions to the goals of tackling poverty while simultaneously curbing “planet-heating emissions.” As with all climate change related events the discussion in Paris inevitably turned to international centralization of power and the formation of a global consortium to fix the problems that they claim sovereign nations cannot or will not fix.

However, what I’m seeing more and more in the past couple years is a convergence of narratives – Central banks and international banks are now suddenly more concerned with carbon taxation and global warming than they seem to be concerned with stagflation and economic collapse. Likely because this was the goal all along and economic collapse is part of the plan.

Globalists are now combining the climate change issue with international finance and monetary authority. In other words, they aren’t hiding the fact that the climate change agenda is part of the “Great Reset” agenda anymore. They are even suggesting that the threat of climate change be used as a springboard for giving global banks more power to dictate the circulation of wealth and for deconstucting the existing system so it can be replaced with something else.

French President Emmanuel Macron told delegates at the Paris summit that “the world needs a public finance shock” to fight global warming while also creating “equity” for less wealthy nations. He also argued that the current system was not well suited to address the world’s challenges.

Presenters at the event noted that the international economic framework had been battered by a number of crises, including the pandemic and the war in Ukraine, but focused on “the spiraling cost of weather disasters intensified by global warming” as a reason for the ongoing destabilization of financial systems.

This is obviously nonsense, but it fits with the narrative programming that globalists are trying to engineer by linking economic decline to climate change. In reality, there is ZERO evidence that global weather events are any worse today than they were over a hundred years ago before carbon producing industries were widespread. There is no proven connection between carbon emissions and any specific weather phenomenon. The claim is a fraud. There is no man-made climate crisis, as I have outlined and evidenced in previous articles.

But how many people will be fooled into thinking that there is a climate crisis, and what can that hysterical fear be exploited for?

Barbados Prime Minister Mia Mottley (like many globalists) advocated for re-imagining the role of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund in an era of climate dangers. She argues: “What is required of us now is absolute transformation and not reform of our institutions…”

UN leader Antonio Guterres said the global financial system, which was conceived at the end of World War II under the Bretton Woods Agreement, was failing to rise to modern challenges and now “perpetuates and even worsens inequalities.” In other words, he is angling for a new woke Bretton Woods.

“We can take steps right now and take a giant leap towards global justice,” he said, adding that he has proposed a stimulus of $500 billion a year for investments in sustainable development and climate action. There was also a plan presented to use the IMF’s Special Drawing Rights basket as a mechanism to boost global liquidity.

Keep in mind that the fiat stimulus measures of central banks and the interest rate policies of global bankers are what caused the current economic crisis to begin with. It wasn’t covid, it wasn’t the war in Ukraine and it certainly wasn’t climate change. It was the banks and their use of monetary manipulation that triggered 40 year high inflation, and this has led to central banks hiking interest rates into economic weakness. This strategy has consistently caused debt implosion and stock market disasters in the past. The bankers and the globalists are the source of the problem, they should not be put in charge of fixing it.

Yet, here they are, trying to take control and institute a sweeping Reset plan for the calamity they created. But where is all of this leading?

Last year the UN suggested that developed and emerging economies like the US and China would have to pay a kind of wealth/emissions tax of at least $2.4 trillion a year into a fund for climate change developments, and this wealth would be redistributed to poorer nations. Redistributed by who? Well, the globalists, of course.

Other ideas on the table include taxation on fossil fuel profits and financial transactions to raise climate funds. Meaning, they plan to tax oil and gas until prices become so high that the general public will not be able to afford them.

Macron in particular backed the idea of an international tax on carbon emissions from shipping, ostensibly to make overseas freight more expensive in order to reduce manufacturing demand. This expands on the strict carbon rules already being implemented on European agriculture.

These all seem like disjointed plans to simply inflate prices through different forms of taxation and force the public to consume less goods, but there is a much bigger scheme at play here. It’s important to understand that climate change is nothing more than a vehicle to deliver a fully centralized global economic system, likely under the control of the IMF, BIS, World Bank and the UN.

The annual payments by wealthier nations into global institutional coffers is an act of tribute, a show of fealty. It’s also a way for groups like the IMF to create a system of greater interdependency. If vast sums of money are flowing through globalist institutions and they become the arbiters of how that wealth is redistributed, they can also build a system of rewards and punishments. They can punish countries that don’t follow their dictates and they can give advantages to countries that toe the line.

In terms of a new Bretton Woods, I suspect that this is all culminating in a currency crisis which the globalists will use as an opportunity to finally introduce their CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency) model. And once CBDCs are implemented their ability to dominate the populace will be complete. A cashless system with no privacy in transactions and the ability to shut down the buying power of individuals and groups at will? It’s a totalitarian’s dream scenario.

It’s no mistake that the public is being constantly bombarded with global warming propaganda these days – The powers that be need an existential crisis as a fear generator. When people are afraid they don’t think rationally and will often turn to the worst possible leaders for relief. And a global threat requires a global response, right?

Climate change disaster narratives (if the public embraces the propaganda) will allow for a wide array of systemic changes that have nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with financial dominance.

National wealth taxation and redistribution. The imposition of the IMF and World Bank as a mediator for global funds. The use of the IMF’s SDR basket as a defacto global currency umbrella. The injection of CBDCs and a cashless society. None of these things would have any bearing on climate change even if it was a legitimate threat.

But what about the scorched earth model? If the ultimate intent is to destroy the economy to the point that most industry dies, trade retracts and the population plummets because survival becomes untenable, then one might argue that the globalists are “saving the planet” by getting rid of people. I suppose if you think keeping the population in perpetual third-world status will save us from global warming, then you might support such an agenda.

Whether the goal is simply economic micro-management or the forced liquidation of production, the outcome would be more power for internationalists and less freedom and prosperity for everyone else.

They can spin it however they want, but when the elites call for a “financial shock” they are really calling for a dramatic throttling of the system so that it can no longer maintain the existing populace. When they call for global taxation and tribute in the name of “equality” they are not trying to make everyone equally rich, they want everyone equally poor.

And when they call for the centralized oversight of nations for the sake of saving the planet, what they really want is global governance.

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Globalists Suggest "Finance Shock" And Climate Controls To Launch Their Great Reset
The globalists behind the oil&gas industry are backing the great reset now.

Game Over? Even BP and TotalEnergies are Shelling out $14.7 Bn. for Right to Build Baltic Sea Wind Farms
 

Frankfooter

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A 0.01% change in atmospheric composition does not control our non-linear , dynamic , chaotic climate system
the natural physics of climate is far more complex than that

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I love the chart. I'm sure its posted to make science look too complex to understand but all it does is point out larue's ignorance.
But even better is the 0.01% change comment.

NASA has a pinned tweet for ignorant people who make stupid claims about trace amounts of elements.
 

Insidious Von

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I don't have to prove a thing Sweet Larue, it is you that has to pry his head out of the piscadur.

Here's your evidence @ 4:08!

 
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I don't have to prove a thing Sweet Larue, it is you that has to pry his head out of the piscadur.

Here's your evidence @ 4:08!

Biden Admin Targets Air Conditioning Refrigerants Over Climate Concerns



SATURDAY, JUL 15, 2023 - 09:20 AM
Authored by Tom Ozimek via The Epoch Times ,

The Biden administration has announced stringent new rules to reduce the use of coolants used in most air conditioning units and other appliances in the name of fighting climate change, with experts warning it will likely mean Americans will have to pay more to stay cool.


The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) this week issued a final rule to slash the use of hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) by 40 percent by 2028 while decrying the chemical a “climate super-pollutant.”

The rule dovetails with earlier efforts under the 2020 American Innovation and Manufacturing (AIM) Act to reduce the production and consumption of these chemicals by 85 percent by 2036.

HFCs are a type of synthetic refrigerant that is widely used as a replacement for chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs), which are known for having properties that deplete the ozone layer.

However, while HFCs do not damage the ozone layer, they are potent greenhouse gases that EPA says contribute to climate change.

HFCs are used as refrigerants in most cooling systems, including refrigerators, heat pumps, and air conditioners.





Since the HFC phasedown first began on Jan. 1, 2022, the import and production of HFCs have required special allowances, with EPA saying in its Tuesday announcement that the number of these allowances will experience “a significant decrease.”
While there are HFC alternatives and more are being developed, it’s unclear how quickly the market could adapt and what kind of an impact the phaseout will have on the prices of air conditioning.
Ben Lieberman, a Senior Fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) who specializes in environmental policy, wrote in an analysis in 2022that wholesale prices for commonly used refrigerants had already increased 400 percent since EPA first embarked on the HFC phaseout a year prior.
Service technicians say that replacing refrigerant lost from a leak now costs upwards of $800, about double what it did a year ago,” Mr. Lieberman wrote. “Moreover, EPA’s HFC quotas tighten in the years ahead, so the ratchet will keep turning, surely causing homeowners’ bills to increase further still.”
And while the environmental benefits of phasing out HFCs have become conventional wisdom, these, too, have been challenged.
Some research has estimated that an HFC phasedown could avoid up to half a degree Celsius of warming by 2100, a goal that EPA cited in its announcement.
“The U.S. HFC phasedown program, bolstered by domestic innovation to develop alternative chemicals and equipment, is paving the way for the United States to tackle climate change and strengthen global competitiveness,” Joe Goffman, principal deputy assistant administrator of EPA’s Office of Air and Radiation, in a statement.
However, the claim that phasing out HFCs by 85 percent by 2100 would prevent a half a degree Celsius of warming has been challenged, with critics arguing that this conventional wisdom is based on questionable assumptions and dubious foundations.
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PS. My Thoughts,
This is my best guess estimate why …they need to drastically cut the amount of electricity being consumed in order to charge EVs without collapsing the grid. They can't ration electricity, it's too obvious, and they can't regulate demand via pricing, as that would harm EV popularity even more. So they need to find devious ways to dampen demand, and aircon is the obvious one. And refrigerant is the easy target. Failing that they'll go after chips and motherboards.
 
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