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Antarctica contains 90% of the planets ice and 70% of the worlds fresh water

The Antarctic ice sheet is a continental glacier covering 98% of the Antarctic continent, with an area of 14 million square kilometres (5.4 million square miles) and an average thickness of over 2 kilometres (1.2 mi).

it is essentially frozen 99.9% of the time

Antarctica is the coldest continent on Earth. The average temperature in the interior throughout the year is about -57°C, with the minimum temperature being -90°C during the winter season. Although the coast is warmer and temperatures can reach a maximum of between -2°C and 8°C during the summer.

So no, a 0.01 % change in atmospheric composition is not going to cause catastrophic seal level rise

just another in a long line of scaremongering propaganda lies alarmists use
polar bear extinction
ocean acidification
coral bleaching
droughts / floods
wild fires
more / less snow
extreme weather events
global boiling
crop failure

all broken hockey sticks

the con has not worked
They try to convince us that a warmer planet will cause sea levels to rise The science states that the sun's heat causes water to evaporate. So how can evaporated water cause flooding. Wouldn't colder temperatures cause sea levels to rise because water's volume increases when it's frozen.
 

JohnLarue

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They try to convince us that a warmer planet will cause sea levels to rise The science states that the sun's heat causes water to evaporate. So how can evaporated water cause flooding. Wouldn't colder temperatures cause sea levels to rise because water's volume increases when it's frozen.
water temperature and evaporation/ condensation/ precipitation are but a few of the many factors that could influence sea levels,
erosion, sedimentation (on the ocean floor / run off from rivers) upheaval, sinking land masses, the lunar cycle. That's a Biggy!
obviously currents
ocean volcanic activity. The total number of submarine volcanoes is estimated to be over one million (most are now extinct) of which some 75,000 rise more than 1 kilometer (0.62 mi) above the seabed.
and glacier run off. We are still emerging from an ice age.

The oceans are vast (2/3 of the planet), they are deep and complex.
believing a colorless, odorless inert gas measured in part per million can drive catastrophic sea level rise is comical

like climate, there is a chaotic component which makes modelling future states next to impossible
 
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Antarctica contains 90% of the planets ice and 70% of the worlds fresh water

The Antarctic ice sheet is a continental glacier covering 98% of the Antarctic continent, with an area of 14 million square kilometres (5.4 million square miles) and an average thickness of over 2 kilometres (1.2 mi).

it is essentially frozen 99.9% of the time

Antarctica is the coldest continent on Earth. The average temperature in the interior throughout the year is about -57°C, with the minimum temperature being -90°C during the winter season. Although the coast is warmer and temperatures can reach a maximum of between -2°C and 8°C during the summer.

So no, a 0.01 % change in atmospheric composition is not going to cause catastrophic seal level rise

just another in a long line of scaremongering propaganda lies alarmists use
polar bear extinction
ocean acidification
coral bleaching
droughts / floods
wild fires
more / less snow
extreme weather events
global boiling
crop failure

all broken hockey sticks

the con has not worked
You post as if your think your comments are smart when they look like bad high school science arguments.
We have heated the planet 1/3 of an ice age unit.
What do you think happens at one ice age unit?
 

Frankfooter

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water temperature and evaporation/ condensation/ precipitation are but a few of the many factors that could influence sea levels,
erosion, sedimentation (on the ocean floor / run off from rivers) upheaval, sinking land masses, the lunar cycle. That's a Biggy!
obviously currents
ocean volcanic activity. The total number of submarine volcanoes is estimated to be over one million (most are now extinct) of which some 75,000 rise more than 1 kilometer (0.62 mi) above the seabed.
and glacier run off. We are still emerging from an ice age.

The oceans are vast (2/3 of the planet), they are deep and complex.
believing a colorless, odorless inert gas measured in part per million can drive catastrophic sea level rise is comical

like climate, there is a chaotic component which makes modelling future states next to impossible
You need to admit that the climate is way too hard for you to understand but also admit that there may be smarter people than you that can understand it.
Just because you can't doesn't mean that others can't as well.

Ocean temps have risen drastically, climate change is the reason. How many Hiroshimas worth of heat do you think we are putting in the ocean now every second now?
 

JohnLarue

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You post as if your think your comments are smart when they look like bad high school science arguments.
We have heated the planet 1/3 of an ice age unit.
What do you think happens at one ice age unit?
you do not seem to understand that ice @ -57°C is still going to be ice if temperatures were to increase a degree or two or even by 56°C

given we are still emerging from an ice age some natural warming is to be expected
the massive scare propaganda campaign did not turn off natures ongoing processes


here try learning some facts

Antarctica contains 90% of the planets ice and 70% of the worlds fresh water

The Antarctic ice sheet is a continental glacier covering 98% of the Antarctic continent, with an area of 14 million square kilometres (5.4 million square miles) and an average thickness of over 2 kilometres (1.2 mi).

it is essentially frozen 99.9% of the time

Antarctica is the coldest continent on Earth. The average temperature in the interior throughout the year is about -57°C, with the minimum temperature being -90°C during the winter season. Although the coast is warmer and temperatures can reach a maximum of between -2°C and 8°C during the summer.
 

JohnLarue

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You need to admit that the climate is way too hard for you to understand but also admit that there may be smarter people than you that can understand it.
Just because you can't doesn't mean that others can't as well.

Ocean temps have risen drastically, climate change is the reason. How many Hiroshimas worth of heat do you think we are putting in the ocean now every second now?
just another in a long line of scaremongering propaganda lies alarmists use
polar bear extinction
ocean acidification
coral bleaching
droughts / floods
wild fires
more / less snow
extreme weather events
global boiling
crop failure

all broken hockey sticks

the con has not worked
 

Frankfooter

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just another in a long line of scaremongering propaganda lies alarmists use
polar bear extinction
ocean acidification
coral bleaching
droughts / floods
wild fires
more / less snow
extreme weather events
global boiling
crop failure

all broken hockey sticks

the con has not worked
The planet warmed 1.5ºC last year.
As the IPCC and all of science has warned.

Its moronic to claim this isn't happening and its not a big deal.
Its even more moronic to claim this very measurable and proven warming is a 'con'.
Its actually evil to back what you once said would be the greatest crime against humanity if it were true after all your claims have evaporated.
 

roddermac

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water temperature and evaporation/ condensation/ precipitation are but a few of the many factors that could influence sea levels,
erosion, sedimentation (on the ocean floor / run off from rivers) upheaval, sinking land masses, the lunar cycle. That's a Biggy!
obviously currents
ocean volcanic activity. The total number of submarine volcanoes is estimated to be over one million (most are now extinct) of which some 75,000 rise more than 1 kilometer (0.62 mi) above the seabed.
and glacier run off. We are still emerging from an ice age.

The oceans are vast (2/3 of the planet), they are deep and complex.
believing a colorless, odorless inert gas measured in part per million can drive catastrophic sea level rise is comical

like climate, there is a chaotic component which makes modelling future states next to impossible
Yet the "SCIENCE" said that climate change is causing sea levels to rise which I have yet to see. Now you're saying it's impossible to know what would be the cause but you pointed out several factors and none of them have to do with emissions.
 

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Yet the "SCIENCE" said that climate change is causing sea levels to rise which I have yet to see. Now you're saying it's impossible to know what would be the cause but you pointed out several factors and none of them have to do with emissions.
NASA says sea levels have risen about 10cm.
You say you can't see that?

 

JohnLarue

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The planet warmed 1.5ºC last year.
As the IPCC and all of science has warned.

Its moronic to claim this isn't happening and its not a big deal.
Its even more moronic to claim this very measurable and proven warming is a 'con'.
Its actually evil to back what you once said would be the greatest crime against humanity if it were true after all your claims have evaporated.

just another in a long line of scaremongering propaganda lies alarmists use
polar bear extinction
ocean acidification
coral bleaching
droughts / floods
wild fires
more / less snow
extreme weather events
global boiling
crop failure

all broken hockey sticks

the con has not worked
 

JohnLarue

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Yet the "SCIENCE" said that climate change is causing sea levels to rise which I have yet to see. Now you're saying it's impossible to know what would be the cause but you pointed out several factors and none of them have to do with emissions.
sea levels have risen and fallen many times before mankind created the internal combustion engine

i suspect they will rise and fall many times long after man is gone

sadly science and specifically climate science has been polluted by agenda driven fanatics,/ alarmists, who view science as a tool to be exploited.
real science is completely unbiased / and completely objective

one only needs to read some of Frank footers posts to know he is not anywhere close to unbiased / and completely objective.
the other issue is Frank footers is obviously lacking in scientific understanding
dropping out of high school to join a union will do that to you
 
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Frankfooter

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just another in a long line of scaremongering propaganda lies alarmists use
polar bear extinction
ocean acidification
coral bleaching
droughts / floods
wild fires
more / less snow
extreme weather events
global boiling
crop failure

all broken hockey sticks

the con has not worked
You listed all the extreme events that were predicted to happen and have been happening.
Which proves climate change is ongoing and already the effects are severe.

You don't deny that the planet has warmed about 1.5ºC yet are still arguing that the planet isn't warming.
Your posts show that you know you are wrong.
 

Frankfooter

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sea levels have risen and fallen many times before mankind created the internal combustion engine

i suspect they will rise and fall many times long after man is gone

sadly science and specifically climate science has been polluted by agenda driven fanatics,/ alarmists, who view science as a tool to be exploited.
real science is completely unbiased / and completely objective

one only needs to read some of Frank footers posts to know he is not anywhere close to unbiased / and completely objective.
the other issue is Frank footers is obviously lacking in scientific understanding
dropping out of high school to join a union will do that to you
Please show us when the planet has warmed 1.5ºC in less than 100 years.
Please also show us when the oceans have risen 10cm in less than 100 years.

Detail the times this happened.
This should be so easy for someone so smart and well informed on his subject.
 

roddermac

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You listed all the extreme events that were predicted to happen and have been happening.
Which proves climate change is ongoing and already the effects are severe.

You don't deny that the planet has warmed about 1.5ºC yet are still arguing that the planet isn't warming.
Your posts show that you know you are wrong.
I never denied climate change. I just don't believe driving my car or eating a burger is the cause of it. The earth's climate has always been a little out of wack. That will never change. Eventually it will burn out. Not in our lifetime but it will.
 

roddermac

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Please show us when the planet has warmed 1.5ºC in less than 100 years.
Please also show us when the oceans have risen 10cm in less than 100 years.

Detail the times this happened.
This should be so easy for someone so smart and well informed on his subject.
You really believe the past 100 years is the bench mark for the earth's billion year history on climate.. Global warming has happened in the past. We just weren't here to experience it.
 

roddermac

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You listed all the extreme events that were predicted to happen and have been happening.
Which proves climate change is ongoing and already the effects are severe.

You don't deny that the planet has warmed about 1.5ºC yet are still arguing that the planet isn't warming.
Your posts show that you know you are wrong.
Those events have happened before gas engines. We have the technology to predict the weather. Yes the meteorologist do get is wrong sometimes and by the way they are scientists as well. But we can predict it.
 
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