Career Aspirations for SPs
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Well, that's just ridiculous Asian Lover. If you post something that is as strongly opinionated as you have, you should be willing to back it up. Why would you be reluctant to stand up for the statements you made if they are truly your feelings? As I have told an old boyfriend, "you're entitled to your opinion and you're entitled to express it however, I am equally entitled to hold a different opinion and to express my dissatisfaction with your view if that's how I feel."
Referring to something else you say, how could "who you're dealing with (based ostensibly on you checking out their web sites)" possibly change your reaction to other peoples' reactions? This is nonsensical! Again, you are making value judgments on people you don't know and stereotyping people by trying to fit them into your perceived notions of who is a worthy person and who is an unworthy person seemingly because of looks, age, status (in your opinion), etc. This was the entire just of what I originally wrote. STOP GENERALIZING. You are no better or worse than anyone on this board. A woman who works in the escort/adult entertainment business is still a woman whether you choose to acknowledge that or not. I agree wholeheartedly with train, if people on this board, who should know a little better, continue to perpetuate old stereotypes how are perceptions ever going to change?
In response to your remark about single motherhood, Heather, I have never thought of my child as a cash drain. Every day that I have been blessed with her presence in my life, I thank my lucky stars. Nothing gives me more pleasure than to be able to take her on a back-to-school spree at Gap Kids, to pay for her orthodontics, or camp or even just buying her a special drink for her lunch for school. Being a parent is a privilege not a burden. It really is a pity that you haven't had the pleasure or realized the joys as well as the responsibilities of being a mother, single or not. Irregardless of the fact that I married (and divorced) the king of all deadbeat husbands and fathers, I thank God for the only thing that matters in life: my beautiful daughter.
Referring to something else you say, how could "who you're dealing with (based ostensibly on you checking out their web sites)" possibly change your reaction to other peoples' reactions? This is nonsensical! Again, you are making value judgments on people you don't know and stereotyping people by trying to fit them into your perceived notions of who is a worthy person and who is an unworthy person seemingly because of looks, age, status (in your opinion), etc. This was the entire just of what I originally wrote. STOP GENERALIZING. You are no better or worse than anyone on this board. A woman who works in the escort/adult entertainment business is still a woman whether you choose to acknowledge that or not. I agree wholeheartedly with train, if people on this board, who should know a little better, continue to perpetuate old stereotypes how are perceptions ever going to change?
In response to your remark about single motherhood, Heather, I have never thought of my child as a cash drain. Every day that I have been blessed with her presence in my life, I thank my lucky stars. Nothing gives me more pleasure than to be able to take her on a back-to-school spree at Gap Kids, to pay for her orthodontics, or camp or even just buying her a special drink for her lunch for school. Being a parent is a privilege not a burden. It really is a pity that you haven't had the pleasure or realized the joys as well as the responsibilities of being a mother, single or not. Irregardless of the fact that I married (and divorced) the king of all deadbeat husbands and fathers, I thank God for the only thing that matters in life: my beautiful daughter.
Bravismo, JohnC. How goes it in Scarberia land? I see the King's English is being eloquently employed. Epistle? Is this a word you use every day or has spellcheck been working overtime tonight?
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" The epistle is in the prayer book which I read every day!!"
So you read the bible that just makes you a hippocrate even by being here. It offends me as well that you would put down anyone with a lower education. Alot of the people in the adult entertainment busness are very well educated I dont think the industry would servive with out them As for SPs, I havent met that many but the ones I have met Are well read and well educated and most importantly nice people which is something you dont get from books. Im not a well educated man I quit school early and took a while to find my neech in live. I am now however very sucessfull and happy. You should never knock a person for the way they achive there goals
Baron
" The epistle is in the prayer book which I read every day!!"
So you read the bible that just makes you a hippocrate even by being here. It offends me as well that you would put down anyone with a lower education. Alot of the people in the adult entertainment busness are very well educated I dont think the industry would servive with out them As for SPs, I havent met that many but the ones I have met Are well read and well educated and most importantly nice people which is something you dont get from books. Im not a well educated man I quit school early and took a while to find my neech in live. I am now however very sucessfull and happy. You should never knock a person for the way they achive there goals
Baron
True that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do not have degrees, but Larry Ellison, not having a degree ? Are you sure ?james t kirk said:5. Bill Gates does not have a degree.
6. Larry Ellison does not have a degree
7. Warren Buffet does not have a degree.
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I think he has a Ph.D. in Physics.
ANywawy, all these three are so smart they don't need degrees.
Right on Heather! This is a big problem in society. One of my businesses is to help educate people on this sort of thing, not always an easy task since most people don't even realize what a hole they've dug themselves until it's almost too late...Heather said:My home, car and student loans are all paid off. If I were to quit tommorow, I'd be able to go at least a year without working.
How many people can say that, no matter what their income?
The problem with most people isn't that they don't make enough money, it's that they spend it as fast as they make it. That goes for ALL fields, not just this one. There are millionaires who'd be out on the street in three months if the money stopped rolling in.
My turn...
I wish I had noticed this thread earlier; I'll try and keep my responses short.
Education: I agree completely that the value of a university degree cannot be underestimated. Attending university and obtaining a degree can influence completely where you might end up in life; it can define what you become and who you will meet.
I was in a degree program but did not complete it, choosing to go to a college instead to pursue another interest.
Although I earn a decent living in a respectable field right now, I regret every day not having obtained my degree; at times, I feel inferior to those that have.
That said, I know several people with little or no higher education that have obtained high-paying positions in profitable organizations, simply by starting at the bottom, learning, and working their way up. I always thought it to be a myth, but it apparently is still possible.
Strippers: I'm sure most people won't argue that many strippers are completely lacking in aspiration, but I've encountered many that demonstrate otherwise.
I am always amazed and very impressed by how many dancers I have spoken to that have studied in demanding, technically-oriented fields, but for some reason have not been able to complete their education. A lot of these ladies are as capable as anybody else, but may have not had the means to go futher.
I wish I had noticed this thread earlier; I'll try and keep my responses short.
Education: I agree completely that the value of a university degree cannot be underestimated. Attending university and obtaining a degree can influence completely where you might end up in life; it can define what you become and who you will meet.
I was in a degree program but did not complete it, choosing to go to a college instead to pursue another interest.
Although I earn a decent living in a respectable field right now, I regret every day not having obtained my degree; at times, I feel inferior to those that have.
That said, I know several people with little or no higher education that have obtained high-paying positions in profitable organizations, simply by starting at the bottom, learning, and working their way up. I always thought it to be a myth, but it apparently is still possible.
Strippers: I'm sure most people won't argue that many strippers are completely lacking in aspiration, but I've encountered many that demonstrate otherwise.
I am always amazed and very impressed by how many dancers I have spoken to that have studied in demanding, technically-oriented fields, but for some reason have not been able to complete their education. A lot of these ladies are as capable as anybody else, but may have not had the means to go futher.
I have had a couple of long term relationships with SPs and they have both moved on from the business. The hardest thing for them to walk away from was the under the table 6 figure business. Their reasons for leaving the business were mostly to get back to living a normal life- not having to dance around the old "what do you do for a living" and being able to have normal relationships. A lot of the girls I have met lie to their partners about what they are doing. Even though i was sad to see my afternoon fantasies go on - I was happy for them.
I know I sound like a suck, but i feel I have lost a friend and a lover. ( I am not misguided - i do understand that this is a business relationship)
I know I sound like a suck, but i feel I have lost a friend and a lover. ( I am not misguided - i do understand that this is a business relationship)
It is normal
I think it is normal to feel that way. SPs are humans and if you feel that you have lost a friend then you really have. I would say you are a gentleman.learningtoplay said:I know I sound like a suck, but i feel I have lost a friend and a lover. ( I am not misguided - i do understand that this is a business relationship)
That's usually where the money problem begins, Kathy. Women always feel guilty about thinking about the cost of having children pragmaticly. It shouldn't be that way. Once upon a time it used to be respectable for a poor woman to give a child up for adoption if she wasn't able to afford to keep it. But since I've started working I've noticed that there are plenty of people who go out of their way to make women feel guilty about it on top of how guilty the woman probably feels to begin with. Often the woman 's family is the worst culprit of this. It's almost like they do it as a punishment for them having a child before they are in a position where they can handle it, be it being out of wedlock or just unprepared for it. It amazing me that this still happens in this day and age. I don't think I even have to touch the issue of people making women feel guilty about having an abortion. That's self evident.Kathy P said:In response to your remark about single motherhood, Heather, I have never thought of my child as a cash drain.
You have to admit it's expensive as hell to provide that for just one child. Now multiply that by 3 or 4. I've met far too many women in this business who hate their jobs but stay in it because they've "got a family to support". Yet I've seen girls who hate their jobs and stay in it "because of their kids", get pregnant time and time again and keep each and every one until they have families of 5 or 6 or more. Each subsequent child takes food out of the mouth of the one before it and begets a new generation of poverty. Please don't feel I am lumping you in with these women Kathy. It's obvious you have a better head on your shoulders than that. I'm sure you've seen them yourself before and you must feel contempt for them as well.
Every day that I have been blessed with her presence in my life, I thank my lucky stars. Nothing gives me more pleasure than to be able to take her on a back-to-school spree at Gap Kids, to pay for her orthodontics, or camp or even just buying her a special drink for her lunch for school.
I'll be the first to admit it's a privilage. But I won't deny it's also burden. Especially when one parent fails their to hold up their end of the bargain.Being a parent is a privilege not a burden.
Well that makes one of us that feels that way. I will never regret not having children before being able to handle them financially. Then again, I'm not a person that has many, if any, regrets in their life. If I never have children, I probably would never regret that either. And I don't think it's right for you to try to rub that in to a childless woman. While I couldn't care less what you think I'm missing, that could really hurt a woman who wants a child, especially if they're just waiting for the right time. I enjoy my life as it is, just as I am sure you enjoy yours.It really is a pity that you haven't had the pleasure or realized the joys as well as the responsibilities of being a mother, single or not.
At least you only had the one kid before you found that out.
Irregardless of the fact that I married (and divorced) the king of all deadbeat husbands and fathers,
I'm sorry to hear that you don't have anything else that matters in your life. You really have no idea how badly that makes me feel or how much that makes me not want to have children at all.
I thank God for the only thing that matters in life: my beautiful daughter.
I'd slap my mother if she ever said that about me. I'm sure I'm important to her, but I would never want her to feel that I was her sole reason for living. That's just plain selfish.
Why is it that we can't feel there's value in motherhood without turning it into martyrdom?
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Heather
I think that if you did have children, then and only then, would you be able to understand the quote that you are commenting too. I am sure that life itself does not revolve solely around her daughter but the number one priority would be her child and only a true loving and fully committed parent can, not only understand but truly appreciate that feeling. I hope one day this will happen for you, but I think this is an issue you should not keep commenting about since you have no true experience on the subject.Heather said:
I'm sorry to hear that you don't have anything else that matters in your life. You really have no idea how badly that makes me feel or how much that makes me not want to have children at all.
I'd slap my mother if she ever said that about me. I'm sure I'm important to her, but I would never want her to feel that I was her sole reason for living. That's just plain selfish.
The bit about Ellison's speech is an urban legend, but a good read:james t kirk said:It was my understanding that Elison does not have a degree.
I seem to recall a speach given by Elison to the graduating class of yale chiding them as a bunch of spoiled brats that they would be working for him, a guy without a degree.
Gates may have been a good student, but he still doesn't have a degree now does he.
http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/ellison.htm
Incidentally, Gates' parents were millionaires. He used some of their money to buy an OS from a small Seattle company after IBM was dumb enough to sign an agreement to make him their exclusive OS provider for their (at the time) new PC line, the 8086 series (which eventually lead to the Intel Pentium chips we use now). IBM was a major player at the time (like MS is today) so Gates became rich (er) overnight. I doubt that without his inheritence and IBM's mistake he would be anywhere today, let alone a billionaire.
Larry Ellison
I first read about Larry Ellison in an article in Investors' Daily back in 1987, a few months before the market crash on Black Monday. It was mentioned in that article that he holds Ph.D. in Physics from University of Illinois, or some university in the mid-west. Larry is a real workaholic and slave driver.
Larry's style is flamboyant for sure. He was voted one of the top 50 best-dressed businessmen in U.S. by Playboy back in 1999, I think. He looks much better in a business suit than Gates .
In terms of Bill Gates, I think much of his success is attributed to his being a shrewed businessman. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak(founders of Apple) have just as much talents, and drive, but not in the sucess department because of poor straategy
I first read about Larry Ellison in an article in Investors' Daily back in 1987, a few months before the market crash on Black Monday. It was mentioned in that article that he holds Ph.D. in Physics from University of Illinois, or some university in the mid-west. Larry is a real workaholic and slave driver.
Larry's style is flamboyant for sure. He was voted one of the top 50 best-dressed businessmen in U.S. by Playboy back in 1999, I think. He looks much better in a business suit than Gates .
In terms of Bill Gates, I think much of his success is attributed to his being a shrewed businessman. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak(founders of Apple) have just as much talents, and drive, but not in the sucess department because of poor straategy
Please be so kind and point out one post where an sp is acting like a martyr. Don't bother searching, you won't find one.Heather said:
Why is it that we can't feel there's value in motherhood without turning it into martyrdom?
Looking over old posts, I read this one and realized I failed to rise to an issue Heather raised. I don't consider motherhood martyrdom nor do I think putting a lot of my time, energy and resources into my daughter is an act of selfishness. I think your views on this subject are, sadly, squewed. Anyone who sees someone putting their family first as an indication of a personality defect is the one with the problem.
While we're on the subject of past comments, too, Heather, I think it's important to point out to you that my love and commitment to the raising of a healthy and happy daughter does not preclude me from other things in life. I have a professional life, an intellectual life, an active involvement in social activism and a loving relationship with a man. I am hardly a person who is hard pressed for ways and means of spending her time. Being involved and interested in my teenaged-daughter's life just happens to be the most important aspect of my busy life. I am hardly the ***** that your posts seem to have implied that I am for being a concerned mother.
By the way, North red, I am ready to file the adoption papers. When are you moving in? What colour do you want your room painted? Would you like horseys or sports figures on your sheets?
While we're on the subject of past comments, too, Heather, I think it's important to point out to you that my love and commitment to the raising of a healthy and happy daughter does not preclude me from other things in life. I have a professional life, an intellectual life, an active involvement in social activism and a loving relationship with a man. I am hardly a person who is hard pressed for ways and means of spending her time. Being involved and interested in my teenaged-daughter's life just happens to be the most important aspect of my busy life. I am hardly the ***** that your posts seem to have implied that I am for being a concerned mother.
By the way, North red, I am ready to file the adoption papers. When are you moving in? What colour do you want your room painted? Would you like horseys or sports figures on your sheets?
First, being an SP shouldn't be a career choice. It's not meant to be a career, but a stepping stone to other things. Some do it to put themselves thru school, ie. university. Others do it cuz they need the money fast, or lost a reg job. It's meant to be temp only, not a life long career. Believe me! I know what I'm talking about & any gal who thinks it'll be a life long career is in for a lot of disappointment and a huge reality check.
