Canada suspends funding to UNRWA over Hamas connections

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It is because it is used in a negative context. Similar to Jap, Paki or Kraut. By the way Brit and Yank are also not the most polite and should generally be avoided.
Mystifying. If I didn't like people from Great Britain, would my use of Brit take on a negative context? What about if I called them "British" with a snarl in my voice?

The Japanese were hated during the war and post-war for their cowardly attack on Pearl Harbour, their inhumane treatment of prisoners of war, and their barbaric suicide bombing tactics. It didn't much matter whether they were called Japs or Japanese. The hatred had to do with what they did as a nation. Ditto with the Germans.

While dislike of Pakistanis who immigrated to North America (primarily in the 60's, 70's and 80's) had nothing to do with armed conflict (unless you were from India), at least until the Pakistanis supported the Taliban and Al Qaida (specifically helped Bin Laden hide out), again I could ask the same question - did it really matter what name people called someone from Pakistan? What different characteristics attached to to someone called a "Paki" than someone with identical characteristics called a Pakistani? (BTW - the British often referred to a male Pakistani as "Stan". Is that better, worse, or the same?)

And BTW, neither the British nor Americans mind either Brit or Yank. It depends on whether it's said with scorn or not. The terms don't embody characteristics that are negative by definition. Compare that to use of the N word. In that case, there are negative characteristics (poorly educated, lazy, criminal, etc., etc.) that are embodied in the term. That's why the term is considered offensive, and when black people use it themselves, they do so to insult another black person who actually embodies those negative traits.

Is English your second language? I'm asking in earnest. You seem to struggle with the nuances of the language.
 
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Err, why? Is "Brit" an offensive term for someone from Great Britain? How about Canuck for a Canadian? Yank for American?

I think you're making something up.
It's not. "Brit" is perfectly acceptable. I'm a Brit myself.
 

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It is because it is used in a negative context. Similar to Jap, Paki or Kraut. By the way Brit, Canuck and Yank are also not the most polite and should generally be avoided. Slang terms for any ethnicity or nationality is generally offensive and the only ones to use it non-offensively are those specific people using it to reference themselves.
Many years ago it took my kids to "learn me" that "Oriental" is offensive when referring to Asian people.

Just like "Yid" , "Kike", "Hymie", and "Jew-boy" are offensive to Jews.

I do fine it interesting that the only ethnicity that seems to have turned things around are the Blacks with the "N-word". It's ok when they use it amongst themselves or in hip-hop songs, but I sure as heck better not use it in any context.

I have honestly never referred to a Jewish friend as "my Yid", or "my Kike", etc....
 
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Cutting funding from the UNRWA will accelerate the genocide.
Hamas and their leaders have billions and billions of dollars. If they gave a shit they could stop the hunger. And they could stop hijacking the trucks carrying aid.

If they don't care, why should anybody else.
 

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Hamas has always been losers in world opinion, but that doesn't mean the genocide of civilians is justified. Despite the influence of jewish lobbies on western governments, the overwhelming world opinion is the genocide should stop.
According to the last ICJ statement, there has been no genocide. And with the reports in the last few days, Israel is carrying out more targetted operations as opposed to bombing. They are complying with the court's requests.
 

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Nobody likes these Zionist, racist, genocidal maniacs, whose sole motivations are to create an ethno-state. It's as if the Ku Klux Klan or the Nazis were in power. Showing hatred for such things is not racism.
Making all those false accusations is very racist.
 

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Slang terms are always used in a scornful, disrespectful, irreverent or hateful manner (the intensity of which may range from mild to severe). For example, Paki and Jap are always on the more severe side and are equal to the N-word in connotation, while Brit and Yank, may be more mild, but still disrespectful and offensive.
Just plain wrong. In fact, just plain made up. You have much to learn.

If you hate a Pakistani supporting Al-Qaeda or the Taliban, or you hate the Japanese for pearl harbour - just say that you hate that specific person or the Japanese army for "whatever" they did or support. Calling a random someone from that ethnic group a "Paki" or a "Jap" instead - is both racist and disrespectful.
Geopolitical enemies, especially those enemies which engage in atrocities, will always stain the reputations of their entire population. If the enemy has a popular government, all the more so. It isn't racism. At most, it is nationalism. However, if atrocities were committed, the populace may very well have to wear the earned reputation that entails. More for you to chew on. Palestinians are going to be looked upon with distrust for a long time because of their popular support of Hamas and its terrorist actions.

Many black people actually do not like to use the N-word themselves either as they find it self-deprecating in a bad way. But in a more pop-culture sense, I guess they took what was a scathing insult and turned it into wearing it as a badge of honour of sorts. But a white person using it, is never using it the right way.
You're confusing "Nigga" (which is the badge of honour term) with the N word. Black people do not use the N word as a badge of honour. They do use it to insult black people who embody the negative connotations. You have much to learn.

All of which does nothing to establish that "Palis" is anything other than a shorter form of "Palestinians".

Thus endeth the lesson, student.

p.s. You didn't answer whether English is your second language, so I will assume that it is. I'll take that into account when I read some of your incorrect takes on usage.
 
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Mystifying. If I didn't like people from Great Britain, would my use of Brit take on a negative context? What about if I called them "British" with a snarl in my voice?

The Japanese were hated during the war and post-war for their cowardly attack on Pearl Harbour, their inhumane treatment of prisoners of war, and their barbaric suicide bombing tactics. It didn't much matter whether they were called Japs or Japanese. The hatred had to do with what they did as a nation. Ditto with the Germans.

While dislike of Pakistanis who immigrated to North America (primarily in the 60's, 70's and 80's) had nothing to do with armed conflict (unless you were from India), at least until the Pakistanis supported the Taliban and Al Qaida (specifically helped Bin Laden hide out), again I could ask the same question - did it really matter what name people called someone from Pakistan? What different characteristics attached to to someone called a "Paki" than someone with identical characteristics called a Pakistani? (BTW - the British often referred to a male Pakistani as "Stan". Is that better, worse, or the same?)

And BTW, neither the British nor Americans mind either Brit or Yank. It depends on whether it's said with scorn or not. The terms don't embody characteristics that are negative by definition. Compare that to use of the N word. In that case, there are negative characteristics (poorly educated, lazy, criminal, etc., etc.) that are embodied in the term. That's why the term is considered offensive, and when black people use it themselves, they do so to insult another black person who actually embodies those negative traits.

Is English your second language? I'm asking in earnest. You seem to struggle with the nuances of the language.

The differences are whether or not it’s used or associated as a slur. I’m sure Hitler and the Nazis meant well by it. Ditto Japs and chinks and many more.

However maybe Brit’s don’t get it because.for the longest time they were the worst and the fathers of colonialism.
 
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not sure where you’ve been the past 5 months. And while I quite agree it’s very prevalent and it’s not just the vocal few Palestinian supporters here.

It is what it is.
In most far more likely a subconscious thing versus any outright or overt racism. Be that as it may, it’s a far cry from posting a clip of a person laughing, .and it is, what it is.


/back to the topic.
If you are arguing you are unbiased have you read the reports by the UN, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem or any other third party human rights organization on the legality of the occupation, apartheid or the genocide?

Or have you only read right wing media and social media?

 

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He didn't say that. Try and focus on what is actually written, not what you hope and want people to say.

The trucks will still come to Gaza. They will still go to the UNWRA Hamas yard. And UNWRA Hamas will still steal the food and eat it and sell what's left to the starving women and kids at a 1000% markup, just like they did before UNWRA Hamas got defunded. Nothing has changed as far as the Gazans are concerned.
No, mandrill.

There is no other organization with the infrastructure and team that has a hope of providing food and shelter to 2.2 homeless refugees currently starving to death. To support this move is to support speeding up the genocide.



 
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