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BKool said:
About that 62% majority ... not that one, the other one:

62% ANGRY AT COALITION, 46% WOULD VOTE TORY
The anger is specifically aimed at the Bloc, and the coalitions inclusion of the Bloc in that process. That is because Harper effectively played that nationalism card, scaring people about the Bloc and riling everyone up about separatists.

The result is he has clung to power for now likely, but at the expense of two very critical things:

a) Canadian democracy has been seriously diminished

b) Canada's chances of survival as an intact nation have suffered a body blow

What a selfish prick. Seriously--he is so desperate to hang onto power that he really does look a bit like Robert Mugabe: He doesn't give a DAMN how much damage he does to Canada providing he can cling to power.

And for the record I am not a Liberal voter. I simply get pissed off at selfish politicians who cling to power at all fucking costs, damaging the nation in their desperation.
 

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The people of Québec would I suspect find that à la the famous Star Trek quotation "having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."


Froggy would soon find that having to pay for things all by themselves isn't nearly as easy as sucking the public teat.


Maybe danmand can be their leader.


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danmand said:
If you knew the story behind butter cookies, you and Lancs probably would not buy them on account of ideology.
It's secretly a fund-raising effort by the Danish Communist Party? :rolleyes:
 

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LancsLad said:
Maybe danmand can be their leader.


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Vivre Quebec libre!
 

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danmand said:
Vivre Quebec libre!
I have to say, I'd love to see this, it would make remarkable political theater with almost no real impact.....

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lookingforitallthetime said:
Over time, I've come to feel the same way.
Never going to happen. Then no one would listen to them.
 

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onthebottom said:
I have to say, I'd love to see this, it would make remarkable political theater with almost no real impact.....
It would have substantial economic impact though. There would be at LEAST a multi-year period in which investors completely lost confidence in the Canadian/Quebec economy while they waited to see how it would play out.

I would expect to see the Canadian dollar in the toilet, the Canadian government lose its credit rating on its debt, the Canadian stock market severely thumped, and many Canadian businesses fail as the turmoil wreaked havoc on their business plans.
 

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fuji said:
It would have substantial economic impact though. There would be at LEAST a multi-year period in which investors completely lost confidence in the Canadian/Quebec economy while they waited to see how it would play out.

I would expect to see the Canadian dollar in the toilet, the Canadian government lose its credit rating on its debt, the Canadian stock market severely thumped, and many Canadian businesses fail as the turmoil wreaked havoc on their business plans.
The canadain credit rating would likely go up as the large amounts of money goping into Quebec would now be used in TROC, the dollar would probably drop temporarily and go back up.

Most of the large business in Qubec would migrate elsewhere, notably all, the crown corps with head offices in Montreal and Quebec city, Bombardier would move out to maintain its airworthiness certification for its aircraft, the certification is canadain it does not transfer.

The Cree first nations would take all their territory out of Qubec and remain in Canada, thats most of Ruperts land, the rest would revert to canada as the Quebec boundaries act deeded the land in trust to Quebec to maintain for Canada.

BAsically the new country of Qubec would be a third world tin pot dictatorship for a while and then they would request admission either to teh states or Canada, possibly France .
 

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landscaper said:
The canadain credit rating would likely go up as the large amounts of money goping into Quebec would now be used in TROC, the dollar would probably drop temporarily and go back up.

Most of the large business in Qubec would migrate elsewhere, notably all, the crown corps with head offices in Montreal and Quebec city, Bombardier would move out to maintain its airworthiness certification for its aircraft, the certification is canadain it does not transfer.

The Cree first nations would take all their territory out of Qubec and remain in Canada, thats most of Ruperts land, the rest would revert to canada as the Quebec boundaries act deeded the land in trust to Quebec to maintain for Canada.

BAsically the new country of Qubec would be a third world tin pot dictatorship for a while and then they would request admission either to teh states or Canada, possibly France .


I see that as a win/win for Canada. however i doubt that even france would want that lot once push came to shove.


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landscaper said:
The canadain credit rating would likely go up as the large amounts of money goping into Quebec would now be used in TROC, the dollar would probably drop temporarily and go back up.
In the long run maybe, but in the short run investors aren't going to chance their money on that being true. Short run there will be a mass sell-off of all things Canadian as people move their capital to countries that are not voting themselves out of existence.

I know I would move MY money the fuck out of Canada if there were a real chance of disintigration. I already have moved a lot out just for that very reason.

Most of the large business in Qubec would migrate elsewhere
I also think that foreign businesses would migrate out of the rest of Canada as well. Nobody wants to do business in an uncertain political environment.

I agree it would be much worse for Quebec, but I would simply rather not be the "winner" in a race to the bottom.

BAsically the new country of Qubec would be a third world tin pot dictatorship
I actually think Quebec would do quite well as an independent country in the LONG run. In the short run they'd be really fucked, and in the short run we'd be pretty fucked as well.

As Keynes said in the long-run we're all dead--I would not want to have to wait for the long run before I could retire, so I will get my own money the fuck out of Canada if this stuff starts looking like a real possibility.
 

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fuji said:
In the long run maybe, but in the short run investors aren't going to chance their money on that being true. Short run there will be a mass sell-off of all things Canadian as people move their capital to countries that are not voting themselves out of existence.

I know I would move MY money the fuck out of Canada if there were a real chance of disintigration. I already have moved a lot out just for that very reason.



I also think that foreign businesses would migrate out of the rest of Canada as well. Nobody wants to do business in an uncertain political environment.

I agree it would be much worse for Quebec, but I would simply rather not be the "winner" in a race to the bottom.



I actually think Quebec would do quite well as an independent country in the LONG run. In the short run they'd be really fucked, and in the short run we'd be pretty fucked as well.

As Keynes said in the long-run we're all dead--I would not want to have to wait for the long run before I could retire, so I will get my own money the fuck out of Canada if this stuff starts looking like a real possibility.




They would thankfully wither in the long run. Without Canadas size and money backing up the farce that is the french language in that area they would be forced to speak English, just like the real world. Their precious little "french' culture couldn't survive on its own.

We would win as then packaging could go back to giving us more complete info as there is room to print all the info in just one language Canadian.


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train said:
Never going to happen. Then no one would listen to them.
That is one of the real charms of this, right now you're being held up for ransom by an outspoken minority that's using the peculiarities of your system....

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onthebottom said:
That is one of the real charms of this, right now you're being held up for ransom by an outspoken minority that's using the peculiarities of your system....

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Yup

If they didn't have the best women, city and hockey team in North America they would have absolutely no redeeming qualities.
 
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train said:
Yup

If they didn't have the best women, city and hockey team in North America they would have absolutely no redeeming qualities.
Obviously you've never been to Chicago (keep in mind I'm excluding the hockey team).

Montreal is a great city and definately better than Toronto but there are better ones in NA.
 

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lookingforitallthetime said:
Obviously you've never been to Chicago (keep in mind I'm excluding the hockey team).

Montreal is a great city and definately better than Toronto but there are better ones in NA.
I have been to Chicago ( and Boston) and they are both top 5 but the open sexuality and party atmosphere in summer still gives Montreal the edge although the music in Chicago is fairly inspiring too.

The Chicago waterfront in summer is pretty special - just need French Canadian women there.
 

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train said:
Yup

If they didn't have the best women, city and hockey team in North America they would have absolutely no redeeming qualities.
Women is arguable but clearly the Montreal girls are very nice, city they don't even come in the top 5, hockey team.... who cares they couldn't even keep a baseball team - a better measure of a worthy city IMHO

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onthebottom said:
who cares they couldn't even keep a baseball team - a better measure of a worthy city IMHO

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Baseball is good......if you are 70 :p Although you may not live through the game - it's so slow.

By that measure Chicago would do well for volume but poorly for success.
 
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