Canada Federal deficit at $61.9B for 2023-24, Freeland resigns.

tml

Well-known member
Aug 10, 2011
5,394
3,129
113
I am sympathetic to First Nations peoples; but I'm certain you have bad actors within that embezzle funds meant for the public good for themselves.

You have similar bad actors within Unions, and Corporations, and Governments. It's human nature and taxpayers should want value and accountability for their money.

We can't just hand out money for the sake of it; we did that during COVID and there was an inevitable amount of fraud and waste.
I appreciate your point of view, and I'd bet a lot of people in Canada would agree. The problem is some(maybe many) of these payouts are mandated by the courts
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
17,342
2,978
113
How the hell do you blow past your own guardrail by 50%?
by not knowing what you are doing

i bet Trudeau does not know how many people are employed by the govt +/- 100,000
i bet Trudeau does not know how much is currently being spent on outside contractors +/- 1$B

i bet Trudeau does know how exactly much is currently being spent on political gimmicks +/- 1 MM
i bet Trudeau does know how exactly much is currently being funneled to environmental NGOs +/- 1 MM
Gerald Butts will text him the funnel amount once a month

i bet Trudeau did not bother to read the last budget update presented to parliament
he just asked Freeland to give him the Coles notes version.

steven Harper would have known all the above and a whole lot more and known all of those values without needing notes
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
17,342
2,978
113
I appreciate your point of view, and I'd bet a lot of people in Canada would agree. The problem is some(maybe many) of these payouts are mandated by the courts
if a payout is mandated by the courts, there will be a specific objective for the payout
it is only reasonable the recipient of the funds show how the funds were spent to achieve the objective
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
17,342
2,978
113
I am sympathetic to First Nations peoples; but I'm certain you have bad actors within that embezzle funds meant for the public good for themselves.

You have similar bad actors within Unions, and Corporations, and Governments. It's human nature and taxpayers should want value and accountability for their money.

We can't just hand out money for the sake of it; we did that during COVID and there was an inevitable amount of fraud and waste.

Trudeau has increased the size of the federal govt by 43% since 2015

note how the size of govt had been declining gradually and responsibly prior to 2015
1734401826943.png


now with that many new employees at his disposal one might expect he could get more done.
but no

in 2022
The black hole of public service contract spending
An estimated $15 billion was spent on outsourcing last year alone, yet the public service is also growing in leaps and bounds. Question for MPs: Why?
The budget will balance itself
 
Last edited:

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
17,342
2,978
113
Apparently a lot of that is due to pandemic related benefits and loans (CERB and CEBA) paid to ineligible persons and companies which the CRA never expects to collect on.
CERB would have been expensed in 2020/ 2021
the pandemic as an excuse for irresponsible spending has been used for long enough

Applicants received $2,000 for a 4-week period (the same as $500 a week), between March 15 and September 26, 2020. The last day to apply was December 2, 2020.
accountants please correct me if i am wrong
CEBA accounting would be more complicated, however the cash outlay would have been in 2020
the only way CEBA would become a significant current budget overage is if a whole pile of govt loans to business became non performing since the last budget update.
if that is the case the Canadian economy is in deep deep trouble

The federal government and provinces are expected to spend $81.8 billion on interest payments in 2023/24, with the federal government spending $46.5 billion on debt servicing charges.
this $ 62 Billion is fresh irresponsible spending on a bloated govt without any tangible benefit for the average Canadian and a whole lot of interest on Justin's irresponsible borrowing

Justin Trudeau: the Budget will balance itself
Reality : No it will not
 
Last edited:

bver_hunter

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2005
29,277
7,147
113
Damn, why is Canada expected to reduce its debt more intensely than other G7 Nations?

DEBT
Government Debt Projections for G7 Countries (2024-2029F)

Published
3 months ago
on
September 25, 2024
By
Kayla Zhu
Article/Editing:
Graphics/Design:

See this visualization first on the Voronoi app.
A graphic showing G7 debt projections
USE THIS VISUALIZATION



Government Debt Projections for G7 Countries (2024-2029F)
This was originally posted on our Voronoi app. Download the app for free on iOS or Android and discover incredible data-driven charts from a variety of trusted sources.


On Sept. 18, 2024, the U.S. Federal Reserve reduced its benchmark interest rate by half a percentage point to a range of 4.75% to 5%. This move is expected to decrease short-term borrowing costs, including those for U.S. government debt.
When the Fed lowers the federal funds rate, it generally leads to lower rates on Treasury bills and other short-term government securities, which in return reduces its borrowing costs on newly issued short-term debt. While this reduction in rates will help reduce debt-servicing costs, the U.S. is still projected to see the biggest increase in its gross debt of all G7 nations over the next five years.
This graphic uses data from the International Monetary Fund’s (IMF) April 2024 edition of the World Economic Outlook to show how the U.S. stacks up against its G7 counterparts in terms of projected gross debt as a percentage of GDP in 2024, and how debt is forecasted to change by 2029.


Methodology: Defining Gross Government Debt
Gross debt is the total value of all of a country’s liabilities at a given point in time. Net debt is gross debt less a country’s financial assets, including cash reserves or investments. The debt figures in this infographic are of government debt, and don’t include public sector debt from provincial or state-level debt.
For more data on global debt, the IMF’s Global Debt Database features datasets of both public and private debt, broken down into more detailed categories.


Which G7 Countries Are Projected To Grow Their Debt?
Below, we show the gross government debt projections (as a share of GDP) for G7 nations from 2024 to 2029.
CountryGov't gross debt 2024
(Share of GDP)
Gov't gross debt 2029F
(Share of GDP)
Change
🇯🇵
Japan
254.6%251.7%-2.9 pp
🇮🇹
Italy
139.2%144.9%+5.7 pp
🇺🇸
U.S.
123.3%133.9%+10.6 pp
🇫🇷
France
111.6%115.2%+3.6 pp
🇨🇦
Canada
104.7%95.4%-9.3 pp
🇬🇧
UK
104.3%110.1%+5.8 pp
🇩🇪
Germany
63.7%57.7%-6.0 pp
 

dirtydaveiii

Well-known member
Mar 21, 2018
7,364
5,098
113
Isn't that what musk lost on Twitter within months of buying it or like 1000 times less what Trump lost while 'leading' America ?
 

dirtydaveiii

Well-known member
Mar 21, 2018
7,364
5,098
113
Damn, why is Canada expected to reduce its debt more intensely than other G7 Nations?

DEBT
Government Debt Projections for G7 Countries (2024-2029F)

Published
3 months ago
on
September 25, 2024
By
Kayla Zhu
Article/Editing:
Graphics/Design:

See this visualization first on the Voronoi app.
A graphic showing G7 debt projections
USE THIS VISUALIZATION



Government Debt Projections for G7 Countries (2024-2029F)
This was originally posted on our Voronoi app. Download the app for free on iOS or Android and discover incredible data-driven charts from a variety of trusted sources.


On Sept. 18, 2024, the U.S. Federal Reserve reduced its benchmark interest rate by half a percentage point to a range of 4.75% to 5%. This move is expected to decrease short-term borrowing costs, including those for U.S. government debt.
When the Fed lowers the federal funds rate, it generally leads to lower rates on Treasury bills and other short-term government securities, which in return reduces its borrowing costs on newly issued short-term debt. While this reduction in rates will help reduce debt-servicing costs, the U.S. is still projected to see the biggest increase in its gross debt of all G7 nations over the next five years.
This graphic uses data from the International Monetary Fund’s (IMF) April 2024 edition of the World Economic Outlook to show how the U.S. stacks up against its G7 counterparts in terms of projected gross debt as a percentage of GDP in 2024, and how debt is forecasted to change by 2029.


Methodology: Defining Gross Government Debt
Gross debt is the total value of all of a country’s liabilities at a given point in time. Net debt is gross debt less a country’s financial assets, including cash reserves or investments. The debt figures in this infographic are of government debt, and don’t include public sector debt from provincial or state-level debt.
For more data on global debt, the IMF’s Global Debt Database features datasets of both public and private debt, broken down into more detailed categories.


Which G7 Countries Are Projected To Grow Their Debt?
Below, we show the gross government debt projections (as a share of GDP) for G7 nations from 2024 to 2029.
CountryGov't gross debt 2024
(Share of GDP)
Gov't gross debt 2029F
(Share of GDP)
Change
🇯🇵
Japan
254.6%251.7%-2.9 pp
🇮🇹
Italy
139.2%144.9%+5.7 pp
🇺🇸
U.S.
123.3%133.9%+10.6 pp
🇫🇷
France
111.6%115.2%+3.6 pp
🇨🇦
Canada
104.7%95.4%-9.3 pp
🇬🇧
UK
104.3%110.1%+5.8 pp
🇩🇪
Germany
63.7%57.7%-6.0 pp
It's funny how the GOP. Kept it so secret who got the money. How many billions did trump get ???
 

JohnLarue

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2005
17,342
2,978
113
Damn, why is Canada expected to reduce its debt more intensely than other G7 Nations?

DEBT
Government Debt Projections for G7 Countries (2024-2029F)

Published
3 months ago
on
September 25, 2024
By
Kayla Zhu
Article/Editing:
so no , the debt to GDP ratio is not going to get better
you need to keep up with current events
we just were told the Canadian Government blew through its already bloated deficit by 50%
in order to reduce debt a government needs to get to balance first

Trudeau has created a structural deficit by expanding the size of government
it takes time to shrink govt and it is very expensive (severance)

the current deficit is $62 B
$46 B is interest on federal debt
In 2023/24, the federal government and provinces are expected to spend $81.8 billion on interest payments, with the federal government spending $46.5 billion on debt servicing charges.
there is now way in hell the govt will get to balance by 2029

and Canada is expect to have the slow growth in a quite optimistic forecast from the Bank of Canada


Projections
Monetary Policy Report—October 2024
Oct 23, 2024 — Potential output growth in Canada is expected to slow from about 2.4% in 2024 to around 1.9% on average over 2025 and 2026, unchanged from the ...
this assumes no recession and no adverse trump impact on our economy

debt growth is going to outpace GDP growth
and that difference is going to compound annually
so no , the debt to GDP ratio is not going to get better

so no there will not be a debt reduction miracle as projected by Kayla Zhu

perhaps it is high time you figure out the Trudeau / socialist experiment has caused a disaster
 

K Douglas

Half Man Half Amazing
Jan 5, 2005
27,402
8,083
113
Room 112
In mid April 2024 (after the March 31 fiscal yr end) the government announced that the projected deficit would be about $41B. Eight months later it was determined that the deficit was really $61.9B. They were off by 51%!
I'm an accountant. If my projections were off that much off I'd be terminated.
This is unprecedented levels of ineptness at play right here. Should we be shocked though? Freeland is a journalist by trade, not a finance person.
Why did it take them 8 months to disclose this? They likely knew this by June or July.
Not only should Trudeau be taking the heat, which he rightly is, Freeland should be under as much, if not more, scrutiny. Her career in politics should be done.
 

speakercontrols

Well-known member
Aug 26, 2023
830
729
93
Yeah, looks like a lot of costs they couldn't push back or hide.
I do get the impression there is the Kitchen Sink approach to do. A lot of companies do this in earnings report because if it's bad news, make it REALLY bad then things only get better...
 

speakercontrols

Well-known member
Aug 26, 2023
830
729
93
I'm interested to see how PeePee deals with these.
I don't think he has a choice since it comes from court rulings. I don't think he'll spend a "not withstanding" on this. No real upside politically. We do need to address the never ending grift from first Nations but on the Pareto chart, that's down there.
 

speakercontrols

Well-known member
Aug 26, 2023
830
729
93
by the way Harper ran a deficit of 76 billions (in today's money) in 2009. so its not a record.
For context, that was during of THE worst recessions/almost depression/financial crisis which Canada escaped unscathed partially due to this Keynesian approach. In addition, it was a one-time, not an ongoing spending problem.

Deficits by themselves aren't bad, when the direction is clearly the wrong way, or if the interest payments on the accumulated are WAY more than many government programs, that's when it's just stupid.


"Ottawa spent $11.3 billion in interest payments during 2023's third quarter, compared to $8.3 billion the same quarter in 2022"

I couldn't find the total spending on just the interest on the debt but this sounds north of $40Billion just on debt interest? Wow, I hope I'm wrong.
 
Toronto Escorts