Bye Bye Bosh

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With all due respect... you're out to lunch. New Jersey would never make a trade of Harris-Lee-Favors-Hump for Chris Bosh and (I assume) Jarrett Jack. But dare to dream
yeah. it is a dream. lol but since the article mentioned it on ESPN, its the only way sign-and-trade will work. unless the nets sign another free agent to trade to balance it or a 3rd team joined the trade. the purpose of it is that they're probably hoping to lure lebron have both bosh and lopez which sounds pretty good. having the 3 of them under contract is only a pricetag of about 36mil im thinking. which leaves a lot of room to get other free agents with a core like that.

but like u said. dare to dream.
 
May 22, 2008
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Question to Cavs ... Why do you want Jamison and Bosh playing on the same team ??? Their total salary will be approx 30 + million dollars ...

Jamison's contract is a ugly contract which to me looks untradeable ..
trading for jamison is stupid. we wouldnt want jamison. we want to stay young and build. having jamison will probably improve our team for a first round exit if we even make the playoffs. might as well stay young. blow a few years and get amazing draft position.
 

Captain Fantastic

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Question why does it bother you that we don't like what Bosh is doing ??? What may not bother you may bother somebody else ...
Unlike you, I will actually answer the question (note: that's what discussion means.)

I don't care what you* think or how you feel.

I just think "you're" being childish about this whole thing. "You're" taking something that is insignificant in the big picture way too seriously. Basketball is business, plain and simple. Everything else is just window dressing. As Seinfeld said, you're cheering for laundry. I suppose if laundry gets you that worked up, God bless you for your passion. To me, it's immature.

Chris Bosh has the opportunity to choose where he wants to play. He gave Toronto 7 years and sees that the franchise is going nowhere. He's a grown-ass man who's decided to move on (or not, if he doesn't find the right situation - about a 1% chance) and is trying to have fun, drum up interest and end up in the best situation for him, personally and professionally. And yet the haters begrudge him that. Yet if he stays and the team doesn't win, it's all on him - Bosh demanded this, CB4 didn't do that, etc. Even though he's done pretty much everything a power forward in the NBA can do, it's still not enough and never will be according to some people.

He's in a no-win situation by those projecting on him. And that says more about CB4's critics than it does him.


* = the Royal "you" - all those like yourself and Steve Simmons who feel Chris Bosh owes them something or should act in a way that makes them feel comfortable/good about themselves.
 

Captain Fantastic

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I can't speak for Raptor fans but if he wants to go .... go ... I don't hate the guy for leaving and respect he wants to leave ... We didn't win anything with him and I don't blame him for that but it's not like Lebron leaving the Cavs who went to a NBA Final or Wade who won a title and so the moving on process is easier ...

Seriously I don't care if he leaves cause I have learned to cheer for the name in front of the Jersey and not the name in back of the Jersey .... Also the type of game Bosh is harder to miss then a player like Air Canada who gave us a jaw breaking play at least once a game ( when his heart was in it ) ..
See, now you're being inconsistent, bordering on hypocritical. You've repeatedly stated that you don't like the way he's leaving, the way he's treating the fans, the franchise, etc. Now you're saying you don't care.

Which is it? Make up your mind.

(Also, it would better help me understand your point of view if you can explain what it is that Bosh is doing that's so offensive.)
 

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Bogus attempt at obfuscation.

"Franchise players" (and there are only 4 I can think of in the NBA right now) are the ones that have to wear it all when the team loses, so it's only right that they get all the credit when the team wins, right? Most of the great ones always somewhat defer to their team when they do well - that's called chemistry.

Anyway, most coaches find a way to get credit (there's a reason Phil Jackson makes over $10 million a year) as do role players and the GMs. (What did Jerry West do outside of LA? Yet he was handed the keys to the castle in Memphis and tanked.)

If a GM surrounds a very good player with stiffs, they deserve the blame. The Raptors are a team of non-athletic, no-defence-playing losers, with a poor coach to boot, sad to say. That falls squarely on BC, not Chris Bosh. He can barely guard his man, let alone Jose's, Turk's and Bargnani's - all of whom would have trouble with a good high school player. You can win in the NBA with two stars and Colangelo inherited one. In four years since, he has been unable to find a second or at the very least, build a team that has a chance of winning in the NBA. There's no Steve Nash-Mike D'Antoni here and we're not playing in Europe.
 

Captain Fantastic

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I am not being inconsistant cause I don't hate how he is acting I am just disappointed how he is acting ... I don't hate him for leaving but will give him
as much loyality as he is giving me when he leaves town ...

I did explain what I found offensive but really I wouldn't use that word cause I choose to use what act dissappointed me ... It was the media thing ....

Please the only point I keep repeating is if Chris Bosh wants to go go ... His last season with us was a non playoff season of crappy no heart basketball ( not just him but he contributed ) and so it's like next season will have a hard act to follow ...
Again, you're avoiding the question. I never said hate.

What is it specifically that you don't like? What did he say? What did he do? Why are YOU personally disappointed? What is "the media thing?"
 
May 22, 2008
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Finally new info :) I don't see the appeal for Bosh to go to the nets except $?
i think the appeal is having lopez and lebron. having a billionaire owner and Jay-z and eventually moving to brooklyn. sounds good to me. but lebron is gonna b hard to convince. and so it is for bosh to go to cleveland. so someone has got to give.

i doubt wade will leave miami. even if they don't get bosh too. there are plently of big guys on the market like boozer and lee. he won a championship there too. but if he does. most likely the bulls is where he'd go.
 
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Lopez is a young up and comer, and they have an eccentric rich owner who is committed to spending to build a champion. A report today that highlights the owner's conference call with team execs in which he stated he wants to attempt to acquire Chris Paul.

They will not deal Favors to Raps. Only way would be if James insisted they get Bosh for him to sign there, then the Nets would be desperate.
exactly. its really not clear cut how all the trades will balance out. i see a lot of sign and trades. i can even imagine some guy who isn't worth the money and someone who wasnt even talked about will get a big deal 1 year deal to be part of a trade to balance things. didn't this happen a few years back? some guy got millions to sit on the bench to balance a trade. he got lure back from retirement just to help make the trade work. anyone recall who that was?
 

Kilgore Trout

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It sure is taking a long time for things to settle out this year.
Most years you know where the big free agents are going by July 2.
 
May 22, 2008
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another report was that if bosh gets traded to cleveland we'd get Anderson Varejao, J.J. Hickson, Delonte West and possibly a draft pick. really dont care for this trade all that much. still good. but not as good as if we traded with the nets. the nets trade fits like a glove.

the other trade to chicago is also pretty good too but is about the same as the cleveland trade which in this situation would include noah and would require us to take on deng's contract which is probably not the best idea.

i'd prefer the cleveland trade over chicago because it keeps us slightly younger and gives us a chance to develop our young core. having deng doesn't do that for us. just keeps us in the middle of the pack and ruins our draft picks.

and once again. nets is the best trade if we can get favors. no favors...no trade.

miami...well...they have absolutely nothing to trade with. unless they sign and trade people to us. only people i would even consider is david lee and brandon morrow. but even with him, his defense is suspect and is undersized.
 
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Question ??? How many of you think the Big 3 already know where they are going and have known since July 1st and they are just milking all the attention ...
i think they all know where they wanna go. but they're both trying to convince each other to play with them. i think thats the biggest problem. u think bosh can just walk into new jersey and take them all the way? doubt it. obviously wade isn't going to either with a depleted roster. though there are quite a few gems on free agency. i have a hard time imagining wade and lebron playing together where one needs to be second fittle.
 

smuddan

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With Lebron I think it'll either be Clevland or Chicago. With the right odds I might even bet money on Chicago. Why ? This may be a silly conspiracy theory, but remember near the end of last season when Bulls and Raps were neck and neck for the last playoff spot, Lebron decided to play against the Raps and sit out the Bull's game ? I submit to you that that's the evidance that he had Chic in mind as a possible destination even back then and he was doing the Bulls a big favour.
 

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Hopefully Lebron stays in Cleveland and somehow Bosh ends up there with them. The Raptors franchise is pre-determined to continue its Clippers style existence for the foreseeable future, it would be nice for the city of Cleveland to have some success rather than Chicago/NY/Miami.
 

Brookstone

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I've always felt Wade wasn't going to leave, a chance that Lebron might, and Bosh - most likely to leave. Seems about this way right now. Everyone says they want to win a championship, but how many would give up the glamour of being the #1 guy? All the hoopla, espeically these 3 guys. You think any of them will be on the winning team next year? haha

(personally, I'm not a big fan of Lebron, I think he cries and whines too much to get his way. Special treatment for his friends? WTF is that, are they included in the contract? Bosh- just a media/attention whore. Wade, would love to see him win. Best of the group IMO, and never hear a peep out of him)
 

tribunus

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Much of what I've read this evening is that Bosh wants no part of Cleveland. Thank God, because the supposed Cavs offer (Varejao, Hickson, West, pick) is a pile of shit. Colangelo and Gherardini should both be fired for even thinking about that deal. Its like saying we'll give you Rosie O'Donnell, Sandra Bernhard, Rita MacNeil, and Rita's underpants for Megan Fox.

I think the Bulls can be convinced to give up Noah, although I'm not as high on him as others. Apparently there's a standing 2 for 1 deal from Houston, but Bosh seems to have little interest in going there. And I'm still cool with Miami's package of Beasley, Chalmers, trade exemption & picks. We should have closure by weeks end as Lebron is set to announce his decision on Thursday, and he'll be the first domino as we had expected all along.
 

smuddan

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You would be just throwing your money away.

Bosh is history in Raptors land.
I think you're 99.99% right: but what if the team(s) he wants to go to either can't fit him in under the cap, or can't work out a sign-and-tade with the Raps? Will he take less money and leave anyway?
 
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