Bush's Pathetic Record on Terrorism

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Drunken Master said:
Is there any proof the Patriot Act has made anybody safe from terrorism?

If your answer is yes, then I have a magical rock to sell you. It protects you from meteors. If you own it, chances are very good that for the rest of your life a meteor will never land on your head...
Why sure there is proof. On a daily basis Dubya and his allies the 'fucking crazies,' Dick Cheney, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz will tell you how you are 'safer' from them 'evil doers' because of the Patriot Act.

......and I think Tom Ridge was mentioning just the other day the Patriot Act does come with a 'handy-dandy high tech failsafe' anti-meteor shield!

Sleep well world Dubya is at the helm..........
 

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Drunken Master said:
Is there any proof the Patriot Act has made anybody safe from terrorism?

If your answer is yes, then I have a magical rock to sell you. It protects you from meteors. If you own it, chances are very good that for the rest of your life a meteor will never land on your head...
Is this the right question or is the question itself misleading. How would you prove this? Have they caught anyone using Patriot Act features - if so I'd say yes, otherwise it's impossible to tell.

The argument "nothing has happened since 9/11" is not terribly conclusive and probably has more to do with the activity going on in Afghanistan than the Patriot Act.

An equally valid (thus false) question would be, if the Patriot Act had been in effect in the 90s would we have caught the 9/11 terrorists.

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Drunken Master said:
Is there any proof the Patriot Act has made anybody safe from terrorism?
Absolutley NOT. Looking at the big picture, the world has become a far more unsafe place since the start of the pre-emptive Bush/Cheney fundamentalist Christian Crusade (Jihad) against those Islamic 'evil doers.' Bush's actions have resulted in widespread terrorist retaliation all over the world which only helps to strengthen the terrorists case by showing the world how powerless Bush really is to stop these worldwide terror attacks.

The fact there has not been another attack in the USA since 9/11 probably has more to do with dumb luck, than the Patriot act. When they want to strike the US again they will and not much can be done to stop it. This due to the fact the US is still an open country with just too many easy targets to hit. In the mean time the US is left in a state of perpetual alert status, with NO end in sight, as freedoms are eroded by the Patriot Act slowly turning our democracy into a 'big brother' type police state.

But there is a bright side to all this. The military-industrial-defense complex is doing quite well and is ever grateful for the Bush/Cheney support. In the end I think that was the whole point of this exercise.
 
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Dumb luck - pleeeeese.

Peckr, we all know you hate the administration but that post just makes you look stupid.

How about 75% of AQ leaders being caught / captured (administration claim), would that have an effect?

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Bbking,

Clearly anything a canidate runs on is fair game - I would say Bush has gotten the short end of the 527 stick as Soros tries to buy the Dems an election. Doesn't he know that's the Repubs job ;-)

NPR reported a couple weeks ago that the DNC was the party of big doners and the GOP the party of small individual doners - can't find the link unfortunatly.

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onthebottom said:
Dumb luck - pleeeeese.

Peckr, we all know you hate the administration but that post just makes you look stupid.

How about 75% of AQ leaders being caught / captured (administration claim), would that have an effect?

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Now that post about 75% of AQ leaders being caught just makes you look even stupider then.

Worldwide terrorist attacks are way up and climbing! It appears that if the Dubya administration claims were valid and 75% of AQ leaders are gone, a rational person would expect these attacts around the world to be dropping instead of going up as they are!

The problem is this 75% figure is highly suspect given the fact that the Iraq Oil War II, has proven to be a God-send, (or is that Allah-send in this case) for AQ as far as recruiting new membership for AQ throughout the world. AQ claims they are adding new members in droves thanks to Dubya and his merry band of 'fucking crazies' Dick Cheney, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, as Colin Powell so accurately put it.

It looks like AQ will be around for some time and you can thank Ronald Reagan for that since he is the guy, along with a little help from the US Special Forces, who created Osama (what's his name) in the first place back in the days when Osama was battling the USSR in Afghanistan.

So sleep well world Dubya is at the helm....
 

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Osama wasn't "created", at best he was supported by the Americans. He was a multi billionaire dedicated to his "Jihad" in Afghanistan before Reagan was even elected.
 

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Fritz96 said:
Osama wasn't "created", at best he was supported by the Americans. He was a multi billionaire dedicated to his "Jihad" in Afghanistan before Reagan was even elected.
Osama was "created" during the Reagan years, in the sense that his unit was transformed from a dedicated but rag-tag group of Koran Thumpers on Jihad, into a highly effective guerilla outfit after quite a bit of US Green Beret training (damn that US training was so good we still can't find OBL with last reports claiming the trail is 'cold' on the hunt for OBL). Prior to US support of Osama in that Afghan war, the USSR was kicking his butt from one end of Afghanistan to the other. After some extensive US Special Forces training and the help of those US handheld Anti-aircraft Stinger missiles, the tide dramatically changed into Osama's favor. Those Stinger missiles completely neutralized the USSR Air Force and pretty much took them out of the picture. US training had shown Osama how to beat a Superpower the USSR and now Osama is just using that same training against the USA another Superpower he views as being just as corrupt as the defunct USSR.

On a side note on the Fundamentalist Thumpers of the world, be they Koran Thumpers, Bible Thumpers, Jewish Orthodox or even that Polish Pope who is a very Conservative Catholic Bible Thumper in his own right, they are all kindred spirits and have all railed against the West and the USA for their 'material corruption' on many occasions in the past.

Fundamentalists are alike all over the world and feel they alone know what is best for all.....after all most of them "hear voices" and regularly talk with God.....and they say say this applies to our own POTUS Dubya who also..........."hears voices."
 

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That Green Beret training didn't do them much good in keeping the Taliban in power did it?

What happened to all the tinfoilhatters who were predicting a terrorist attack against the US just before the election? Must be that war on terror and Patriot act in action!

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onthebottom said:
That Green Beret training didn't do them much good in keeping the Taliban in power did it?

What happened to all the tinfoilhatters who were predicting a terrorist attack against the US just before the election? Must be that war on terror and Patriot act in action!

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That Green Beret training was for search & destroy along with political assassinations and served its purpose well. "Nation building" along with US aid for rebuilding Afghanistan was something Reagan and company "had promised Osama", who was then a good US ally, was to come after the war. Unfortunately after that war Reagan reneged on those promises and just abandoned Osama completely, which resulted in the emergence of the Taliban. Osama felt the US had stabbed him in the back and had just used him to get at the USSR and Osama hates the US to this day for that betrayal of trust by the USA.

On a pre-election terrorist attack in the US, who knows if or when it may happen if at does at all. But just keep your fingers crossed it doesn't happen and I still think luck will have more to do with stopping it than the war on terror or the Patriot Act, that most critics even some in the GOP still claim is woefully underfunded and not even in place in many parts of the US. Even GOP leaders point out some massive gaps and lapses in security. AQ with its many many many new recruits are just sitting back and biding their time for their next strike(s), while the US is forced to stay in a state of perpetul alert status for many years to come.

Welcome to the Bush/Cheney Vision for AMERIKKKA!
 

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wow, I am in awe of the responses ,,, gives me hope for the November elections if all intelligent voters .. vote
Keep up the good work guys
 

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onthebottom said:
That Green Beret training didn't do them much good in keeping the Taliban in power did it?

What happened to all the tinfoilhatters who were predicting a terrorist attack against the US just before the election? Must be that war on terror and Patriot act in action!

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George W. Bush is the best recruitment tool the terrorists have. I would bet if they could campaign for him door to door without being arrested they would. If George W. is elected for 4 more years don't be surprised if there is an increase in terrorist attacks on American targets or on the US itself shortly after the election. I shudder at the thought of how many more islamic militants will join the jihad against the US with 4 more years of Bush/Cheney. An American glad to be living in Canada, Dabbler
 

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not a fan of GWB, but he is trying. He might have been wrong about going into Iraq, or ta least why he was going into iraq, but the answer isn't just stay inside the us borders and hope everyone forgives you. His methods may leave something to be desired but not necessarily his motives.

The only real difference between him and kerry is how they would handle the economy, and even there they don;t have as much power to impact the countries economy as our pm does.
 

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Bush's Military Manpower Solution

Our 'war president' in action:

It looks like these troops won't be offered that '9 month early-out priviledge' that Dubya received when Dubya was in that Texas Air Guard Unit during the Nam War.

Army to Soldiers: Re-enlist Now or Face Immediate Deployment to Iraq
By Staff and Wire Reports
Sep 17, 2004, 07:48

The Army is threatening American soldiers with immediate deployment to Iraq, along with involuntary extension of their tours of duty, if they don't sign up for re-enlistment right away. Those who don't sign face reassignment to combat units headed for the war.

While the Army confirms that a "re-enlistment drive is underway," military brass claim no threats have been made.

But hundreds of soldiers from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team at Fort Carson, Colorado, were presented with that message and a re-enlistment form in a series of assemblies last week, say two soldiers who refused to sign the form. According to emails received by Capitol Hill Blue this week, the same message was delivered to soldiers at other bases.

A Fort Carson spokesman confirmed the assemblies and the form which,if signed, would extend each soldiers tour with the 3rd Brigade until Dec. 31, 2007.

"They said if you refuse to re-enlist with the 3rd Brigade, we'll send you down to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which is going to Iraq for a year, and you can stay with them, or we'll send you to Korea, or to Fort Riley (in Kansas) where they're going to Iraq," one of the soldiers, a sergeant, told The Rocky Mountain News.

The second soldier, an enlisted man who was interviewed separately, confirmed the story.

"They told us if we don't re-enlist, then we'd have to be reassigned. And where we're most needed is in units that are going back to Iraq in the next couple of months. So if you think you're getting out, you're not," he said.

The threats outraged many soldiers who are near the end of their tours, the sergeant told the newspaper.

"We have a whole platoon who refuses to sign," he said.

A Fort Carson spokesman at first confirmed soldiers were told they "may" go to Iraq then stopped responding to inquiries.

"I can only tell you what the retention officers told us: The soldiers were not being told they will go to Iraq, but they may go to Iraq," said the spokesman, who gave that explanation before being told later to direct all inquiries to the Pentagon.

"There's probably a lot of places on post where they could put those folks (who don't re-enlist) until their time expires. But I don't want to rule out the possibility that they could go to a unit that might deploy," said Lt. Col. Gerard Healy at the Pentagon.

Members of Iraq-bound units are "stop-lossed," meaning they could be retained in the unit for an entire year in Iraq, even if their active-duty enlistment expires. Extending a soldier's active duty is within Army authority, since the enlistment contract carries an eight-year obligation, even if a soldier signs for only three or four years of active duty.

But some soldiers presented with the re-enlistment message last week believe they've already done their duty and should not be penalized for choosing to leave. They deployed to Iraq for a year with the 3rd Brigade last April.

"I don't want to go back to Iraq," said the sergeant. "I went through a lot of things for the Army that weren't necessary and were risky. Iraq has changed a lot of people.''

The enlisted soldier said the recruiters' message left him troubled, unable to sleep and "filled with dread."

"For me, it wasn't about going back to Iraq. It's just the fact that I'm ready to get out of the Army," he said.

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George W. Bush is the best recruitment tool the terrorists have. I would bet if they could campaign for him door to door without being arrested they would. If George W. is elected for 4 more years don't be surprised if there is an increase in terrorist attacks on American targets or on the US itself shortly after the election. I shudder at the thought of how many more islamic militants will join the jihad against the US with 4 more years of Bush/Cheney. An American glad to be living in Canada, Dabbler
And the list of foreign policy changes is Kerry wins the election:

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onthebottom said:
And the list of foreign policy changes is Kerry wins the election:

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Hey OTB, well for one, Kerry will involve the United Nations in rebuilding Iraq. This would make reconstruction appear as a joint UN operation rather than just an American occupation. Secondly Kerry has also indicated that he will also consult with US allies rather than taking a unilateral approach. However my question to you is how did a discussion on Bush's record on terrorism end up being about Kerry? Perhaps Republicans are unable to to defend Bush's record so they resort to making the issue about Kerry. 3 years in to the war on terrorism and can the US claim victory? Have they captured Bin Laden? What about the growing daily carnage in Iraq? Over 1000 dead US soldiers and counting.
 

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No offense, but this is about as naive as it gets. France, Germany and the UN won't come close to Iraq no matter who the President is.

<<Hey OTB, well for one, Kerry will involve the United Nations in rebuilding Iraq. This would make reconstruction appear as a joint UN operation rather than just an American occupation. Secondly Kerry has also indicated that he will also consult with US allies rather than taking a unilateral approach.>>
 

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..I'd have to agree, because of our pathetic press people in North America just dont get that Iraq is a War Zone.Its dangerous, no one is going to send people in there.
 

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Looks like Bush will get out of Iraq anyway.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20040920.shtml
 

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YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!


Have to wonder what other prim ministers and presidents are doing
 
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