Building A New PC

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So for SPs and MPs you will read reviews before spending your own money, but for GPUs you will just go with what your heart desires without reviews?

It really depends. Same principle I can just go on kodi and watch all the movies my heart desires for free or I can just rent all the movies on Google play and wait until they come out on Netflix. I choose to rent and Netflix it even though I figured out kodi and have the box in the basement waiting to be used. It keeps my mind free of weeds.

Sometimes I go with pic less photos no reviews when I see an MPA, sometimes I just stare and photos and go see a girl and sometimes I dig for many months of Intel before I decide to see a girl, and sometimes I pick them off terb. Sometimes you just have to follow your intuition. I like to change up my strategy all the time observe the outcome even though it may not make logic sense at the time.

w.r.t. this card I think I really appreciate good engineering and would pay premium for this. Sometimes you know it is a great product like a tesla or a really great peiece of engineering or technology or a good album or movie that you decide to pay premium even though it is not the cheapest option and there are many many more options out there. Having said this I still need to be convinced logically that this is a good piece hardware, so yes I am willing to wait and see if you guys are right. I have a feeling that I'd be happy for the next 4 years with this card provided I prepare for SLI. It seems like this was a huge jump until the next one comes along and it won't really matter if you get an over clocked one or not. You want something stable reliable and of premium construction. May 27 is still a far ways away, however if I got the email today I probably just pull the trigger and get it. I have a feeling with this product it will be of great value and a great buy for the next two years and the price will remain fairly constant.

sometimes you can just look at a thing and know it is great like a girl, or a nice meal, or even a nice book or a place or just an unique activity you never tired before and you know the timing is perfect.

The best way to learn is pushing yourself out of your comfort zone and learning through mistakes.

 

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http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/gigabyte_teases_their_custom_geforce_gtx_1080_xtreme_gaming.html

Looks like gigabyte is teasing with their 3 fan cooling system...overkill IMO and not very efficient main goal is pushing it to the extreme.

It will be similar to this one, could also be just two fans ...

 

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probably the best video I watched objectively explaining this founder version Nvidia and where it would be needed...which is exactly why I am gravitating towards this card and why a three fan system may not be the best in some scenario and builds...to get straight to it see at 7:20

 

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probably the best video I watched objectively explaining this founder version Nvidia and where it would be needed...which is exactly why I am gravitating towards this card and why a three fan system may not be the best in some scenario and builds...to get straight to it see at 7:20

Did we watch the same video?

You appear to have made you mind up, so I'm probably just wasting my efforts trying to get you to keep an open mind, but there is nothing in that video that provides a compelling reason to buy the Founders Edition card when compared to a 3rd party card at this time.

1) The Founders Edition is just a new marketing term for the previous Reference Edition. Although nVidia states "the best components are used", the finished card is not parted. The components are not cherry picked. It's not a pre-tested GPU. It's a "reference" design that nVidia will sell retail themselves.
3rd party cards sell a variety of models including: hand-picked components, overclocks, improved cooling, bundled games, management utilities, more connectors, more/faster memory, cool lights, etc. Several 3rd parties offer longer warranties.

2) The Founders edition only comes with a blower fan. Blower fans have the big benefit of exhausting heat directly out of the case and you can position another card in the PCI slot directly beside the video card and worry less about air flow. However blower fans are the noisiest fan you can put on a video card (believe me, the sound can be overwhelming) and blowers are less efficient for cooling.
3rd party cards offer several cooling options including liquid cooling that can be selected to best suite your rig. In almost all cases, their cooling design are quieter and more efficient - but every design is a compromise in one area, but at least you get to pick which best fits your build.

3) The Founders Edition will retail for $699.
Prices for 3rd party cards have yet to be announced, but they should start $100 lower and go from there. Most will offer more for less money and a better warranty. You can buy them from retail stores and if you pick the right stores you can return the card if things don't work out.

I re-suggest: Just relax and wait a few months for things to shake out. Read some comparison tests, then make your $1000 decision.

 

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Looks like gigabyte is teasing with their 3 fan cooling system...overkill IMO and not very efficient main goal is pushing it to the extreme.

I guess I have to be a little firmer. Back-up your statement "overkill IMO and not very efficient". Show me a test report from a couple of reputable sources that shows that this design is less efficient and overkill compared to the blower reference design.

Of course the various manufacturers are trying to differentiate their product, but it doesn't mean their designs are inferior. It's a super-competitive market with prices between cards being as little as $10, if a card proves unstable, slower or has less features, the card won't sell.

Anyway, I'm dropping this topic.

 

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I guess I have to be a little firmer. Back-up your statement "overkill IMO and not very efficient". Show me a test report from a couple of reputable sources that shows that this design is less efficient and overkill compared to the blower reference design.

Of course the various manufacturers are trying to differentiate their product, but it doesn't mean their designs are inferior. It's a super-competitive market with prices between cards being as little as $10, if a card proves unstable, slower or has less features, the card won't sell.

Anyway, I'm dropping this topic.

It's your choice if you want to drop it or not. I am not expecting you to reply or not. I am learning a lot about these video cards and it is an interesting discussion to me so your choice.

For this card I look at my needs. My needs will never need to over clock. I just want a card that can handle games for the next two years and get decent frame rates from 1440p monitor and handle oculus rift. This card will FAR exceed my requirements now. There are so many games already released that my current card does a good job also. IMO for my needs now this is the time to get a video card to future proof for at least 2-4 years using the system I currently have. The more I wait the less this window gets and it's a loss to me.

For my needs the gigabyte is overkill and not necessary. It draws more power then the founder version. It is more stable then the funder Verision. It will cost more then the founder version, probably better matterials and better performance. My desktop configuration can not handle the 3 fans blowing hot air on the inside. It is too congested now in there and not an efficient use for my needs. Not necessary to prove the obvious that this card will be better then founder and not something I need and I find it inefficient for my needs.

The first 3rd party $599 version, and as they refer to it as the clown version looks like a joke and I would not want to stick that thing in my motherboard given I am paying this much for a card. Now if a 3rd party release a "similar" card with similar type of cooling and materials then yes of corse I would consider this over the founder version. If it's the SAME then it's a no brainer to get 3Rd party. However, I doubt that they will cost $599, if the first 3rd party card "clown" is any indication or the price points and quality of builds.

I am not looking to start an argument or try to get you out of your enjoyment. You may see my opinion as not something you would do which is fine.

I already made one mistake from TERB by buying the Phoenix HP instead of building my own, as was my original intention in a previous similar thread. I will not make the same mistake. I am willing to wait until end of June to see if 3rd parties will release a similar quality or same card as the Nvidia founder version. If they don't and I am not convinced I'd just buy Nvidia version instead of waiting a year for something more valuable to come out. You can always wait and always new things will be released and the things we have now will become obsolete. So then you just keep waiting penny pinching and loose sight and enjoyment of why you actually need these cards.

 

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Two sites you need to review:

Toms Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/) and the Ars Technica System Guide (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...-cheap-vr-great-vr-and-optional-4k-craziness/)

Both will give you plenty of information about the tradeoffs you will make when selecting your components.

Sure, a pre-assembled mass-market machine will be less expensive than assembling the same machine yourself - and you can still upgrade certain components yourself. But a fully custom system gives you plenty to play with, too. I recently picked up a refurbished system with a Core i7 CPU ($500), and I upgraded the RAM to 16GB ($90) and put in a 480GB SSD Hard drive (SanDisk, about $220 on sale at BestBuy). Needless to say, it performs very well - better than some of the web servers I work with.

Enjoy your choices!

 

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Wow the 1080 reviews are out; generally faster than 2x 980s in SLI with a max power consumption of 170W. You can run a 1080 in your system with a decent quality 400W power supply, something that costs $35 when on sale, and still have more than enough wattage left over for high overclocks.

 

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Wow the 1080 reviews are out; generally faster than 2x 980s in SLI with a max power consumption of 170W. You can run a 1080 in your system with a decent quality 400W power supply, something that costs $35 when on sale, and still have more than enough wattage left over for high overclocks.

I thought it was 500W recommend for 1080, even though the draw is like 170-180.

Yeah this card is really impressive.

I think the only question I really need to answer is if I should get the 1070 or 1080. This IMO is more important the deciding wheather to go with founder or not.

I talked to a lot of people, read a lot of articles wheater to go with founders or 3rd party.

These are my conclusions. Wait until end of June to find out and see if it is worth it over the 1070, plus see the benchmark and how they compare, and intestigate long term performance of similar cards that a particular 3rd party sold to see if there are any quality control issues over long term. The founders edition has distinct advantages such as qood quality control and a proven cooling system and a stable design. The 3rd party will no doubt release better and worse versions, more expensive and less expensive. I doubt that the "better" versions will be that much cheaper. The exterme 3rd party versions that overclock to max and/or liquid cooling for maximum overclocking will no doubt be better, however I doubt they will also cost less. Ask yourself do you really need to overclock that much. How much benifit do you get. They overclocked the founder edition to 2.1 Ghz during the Nvidia presentation and it remained quite stable. IMO for my needs I dont think I will ever need to overclock becuase I am just running an 1440p monitor and am fine with 60fps, however if I do get brave and want to experiment with overclockimg I know I can do it stable to 2.1 on the founder version. Also when spending $1000 on a card is it really worth it to penny pinch for $20-$30 bucks and take a risk on 3rd party LOL

My main concern is how it will do with VR for the good quality games such as Doom and if it can maintain the minimum recommend fps for aggressive play. This is the most important factor for my needs and is the reason why I am considering getting it.

It would also be good to see if it can do this with 4k, maybe if I really get into it it might be worth it to get this monitor and then use the spare parts and spare monitor to build a 2nd computer for the kids.

I think this is the best display our right now for gaming....http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2496666,00.asp

Although its like $1600 on Amazon...

 

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 tested with aftermarket cooler

http://videocardz.com/60151/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-tested-with-aftermarket-cooler

...GTX 1080 does quite well in overclocking, but many reviewers had trouble achieving the same clocks that were shown during official presentation (~2114 MHz).

The mini test PCGH performed confirmed those observations. The GTX 1080 is either held back by temperature or restrictive power consumption.

As you know reference model is only equipped with one 8pin power connector. In fact even overclocking tools are limited to 120% TDP, which basically means GPU won’t use more than 215W (8pin power connector and the PCI-Express interface can only deliver 225W of power).

Test performed by PCHG brought a simple conclusion; it is not temperature that is keeping GP104 from achieving higher clocks, but board power limit, which can’t be increased unless more power connectors are added. So I’m guessing we need to wait 10 more days to see what custom cards can deliver in this matter....

Looks like the guy manages to get high 60's fps on Doom with 4 k at highest settings


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Another reviewer performed benchmarks against 980 and Titan and looks like real game tests are not that much faster then 2 980 SLI. It also has some trouble maxing out 4k on some of the top games and gets under 30fps. Based on this posting you will probably need 2x1080 in SLI or wait for titan to come out and SLI the shit out of it.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review/1100-6439863/

Question: If this is the case, how will 3 x 4k monitors do. Would we need then to run the res at 1080p to make it work. How about 3x1440p? I imagine for 3x 1440 you'd need SLI either 1080 or 1080 titan.


Maybe this is s bit too much marketing hype

 

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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! Looks like these cards are more hype then substance. This guy is saying 10-20% more s 980ti. I still don't care I am still getting it...and haters goona hate


Good video, nonetheless (skip to 0:59 to skip his ad)...

 

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My guess is that nvidia had only enough time to optimize their drivers for a few select games and incentivized most reviewers to use only those few select games in their reviews. It is not totally underhanded as in short time nvidia will have many more games optimized for their new GPUs. Also it could be that some reviewers used nvidia specific AA filters and some did not.

I read some leaks about the low-mid range AMD GPUs showing that at the $200 USD price point you can get 390x performance at very low power consumption, the kicker was that the leak was for their mobile GPUs. Depending on if this turns out to be true, which I doubt, I might just get a new gaming laptop instead of putting a new GPU into my desktop.

 

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My guess is that nvidia had only enough time to optimize their drivers for a few select games and incentivized most reviewers to use only those few select games in their reviews. It is not totally underhanded as in short time nvidia will have many more games optimized for their new GPUs. Also it could be that some reviewers used nvidia specific AA filters and some did not.

I read some leaks about the low-mid range AMD GPUs showing that at the $200 USD price point you can get 390x performance at very low power consumption, the kicker was that the leak was for their mobile GPUs. Depending on if this turns out to be true, which I doubt, I might just get a new gaming laptop instead of putting a new GPU into my desktop.

I used to think the same way about laptops, however I am convinced desktops are a way to go. Just buy a good tower and all you need to do is replace a few parts at a time. You can always sell the parts or build a 2nd computer for the kids or the wife.

As for the AMD, it might be worth listening to what they offer, especially given that 1080 may not be all that it was hyped up to be.

For now I think I am leaning towards 1070, given 1080 is good for 4k but overkill for lower res monitor. I have 2.7k so I think I should be fine with the 1070. I just need to understand how this card will do with VR in the next 2 years and if it makes sense to get the best now so it can keep up with content. Looks like VR requires 90fps and the resolution is also quite demanding.

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...6/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-slower-cheaper-1080

 

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@glamphotographer I am really interested to know what kind of build you decided to go with.

BTW NCIX.com is an excellent place for custom builds. I wish someone mentioned these guys last year when I was seeking to do the same. These guys will give you a competitive quote on your custom build parts and will only charge you $50 if you want them to do the build for you plus will warranty the build for 1 year if you buy the parts from them.

P.S. I tried ordering the GTX 1080 from Nvidia at 9 am when the pre-orders opened and in 4 minutes it took me to create an account, put in my info all their stock got sold out. After many hours of searching online and videos reviews comments etc...it's obvious for my needs this is more then enough with my 1440p 60 hZ monitor based on all the games out right now and I will have noneed to overclock. It also helps that it is a blower style card, meaning it will help keep my CPU cool because it will take air from inside the case , assist in airflow and exhaust the air to the back of the case. I also did this with my EVGA PSU and set it so upright and always on so it constantly takes air from the inside the case. With this system I will have 3 fans exhausting air to the back and taking the hot air from the CPU fan away. Since I am not over clocking this should not have a negative effect on the 1080 and should keep cool enough for my needs.

As for the 1080 I then went on NCIX and pre- ordered. Total CAD with pick up in store is $1,028. Looks like I should be expecting it next week.

P.P.S....I hope this thread keeps on going and we actually start discussing the actual components and various builds. I've been spending a lot of time on this recently and getting into it and its kind of fun. Will most likely do one when the next intel chips come out, however I kind of have a system in mind currently with liquid cooling. Also, hoping the GTX 1080 will fit inside my current HP as its kind of tight. Based on the measurements it should, however you never really know until you start doing it.

Looks like 7th gen intel quad core for desktop chip is set to release later in 2016 http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-200-series-chipset-processor-platform/

 

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Canada computers charges fifty to assemble your pc as well.

They have an additional charge to install windows which i think is a rip off. I did that myself. The only catch Was that i then had to have the pc recognize the addition hard drives. Certainly not worth the additional 75 they wanted to charge for that.

I usually cross reference prices between cc and ncix and tiger direct. I prefer cc for no particular reason.

 

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@glamphotographer I am really interested to know what kind of build you decided to go with.

BTW NCIX.com is an excellent place for custom builds. I wish someone mentioned these guys last year when I was seeking to do the same. These guys will give you a competitive quote on your custom build parts and will only charge you $50 if you want them to do the build for you plus will warranty the build for 1 year if you buy the parts from them.

P.S. I tried ordering the GTX 1080 from Nvidia at 9 am when the pre-orders opened and in 4 minutes it took me to create an account, put in my info all their stock got sold out. After many hours of searching online and videos reviews comments etc...it's obvious for my needs this is more then enough with my 1440p 60 hZ monitor based on all the games out right now and I will have noneed to overclock. It also helps that it is a blower style card, meaning it will help keep my CPU cool because it will take air from inside the case , assist in airflow and exhaust the air to the back of the case. I also did this with my EVGA PSU and set it so upright and always on so it constantly takes air from the inside the case. With this system I will have 3 fans exhausting air to the back and taking the hot air from the CPU fan away. Since I am not over clocking this should not have a negative effect on the 1080 and should keep cool enough for my needs.

As for the 1080 I then went on NCIX and pre- ordered. Total CAD with pick up in store is $1,028. Looks like I should be expecting it next week.

P.P.S....I hope this thread keeps on going and we actually start discussing the actual components and various builds. I've been spending a lot of time on this recently and getting into it and its kind of fun. Will most likely do one when the next intel chips come out, however I kind of have a system in mind currently with liquid cooling. Also, hoping the GTX 1080 will fit inside my current HP as its kind of tight. Based on the measurements it should, however you never really know until you start doing it.

Looks like 7th gen intel quad core for desktop chip is set to release later in 2016 http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-200-series-chipset-processor-platform/

I'm saving up for a i7 5820K cpu, Gigabyte Z170 Motherboard (supports DDR4), I have a GTX 750Ti GPU (will upgrade later), Samsung EVO 500 GB SSD, Corsair 600 PSU, Corsair Case, 16 GB of DRR4 RAM, looking at corsair water cooler.

 

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I'm saving up for a i7 5820K cpu, Gigabyte Z170 Motherboard (supports DDR4), I have a GTX 750Ti GPU (will upgrade later), Samsung EVO 500 GB SSD, Corsair 600 PSU, Corsair Case, 16 GB of DRR4 RAM, looking at corsair water cooler.

Do you know what graphics card you want to upgrade?

Corsair has some sick cases especially the 760T. For the cooler have you considered this one. It looks like it is one of the best and most silent, the EKWB Predator 240 or 360, although the corsair ones look nice also and perform quite well ..

 

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Here is a better 3rd party version of the Nvidia 1080 founders with a better cooling and higher over clocking and better performance. It is also cheaper vs. the pure founders edition.

In NCIX the EVGA GTX1080 SC ACX 3.0 is $885 vs $910 founders and comes at a faster speed straight out of the box http://www.ncix.com/detail/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-sc-38-131608.htm

However is this really better? Well yes and no. If you have a good tower case that moves air well and things are not congested then yes it is better and a no brainer to get at this time. However if you have a congested system like my HP this is not a good card to get becuase it will just blow hot air around your system with limited exhaust. Yes this card is designed to do both exhaust air from the back of the card and around and into your system. Right now I have a similar card style with fans blowing air on it on the inside, however way cheaper cooler system design. This creates some issues for me especially if its hot in the house and I have been playing games for a while my card goes on the highest fan speed and you can hear the fans struggling like a lawnmover and it destroys my game play and affects fps to below 24 fps and you can feel all the heat escaping when the thing is struggling to keep it cool. Under normal conditions I get consistent 60 fps with my current card. Thus IMO for my needs and based on my system the founders is the best choice.

 

[tombstoned23]

However is this really better? Well yes and no. If you have a good tower case that moves air well and things are not congested then yes it is better and a no brainer to get at this time. However if you have a congested system like my HP this is not a good card to get becuase it will just blow hot air around your system with limited exhaust. Yes this card is designed to do both exhaust air from the back of the card and around and into your system. Right now I have a similar card style with fans blowing air on it on the inside, however way cheaper cooler system design. This creates some issues for me especially if its hot in the house and I have been playing games for a while my card goes on the highest fan speed and you can hear the fans struggling like a lawnmover and it destroys my game play and affects fps to below 24 fps and you can feel all the heat escaping when the thing is struggling to keep it cool. Under normal conditions I get consistent 60 fps with my current card. Thus IMO for my needs and based on my system the founders is the best choice.

If you are at the point of dropping a $1000+ on GPU and PSU, I would really consider getting a new case for your rig, especially if you are already experiencing overheating on your GTX960(?).

Better airflow is key in these gaming machines and a good quality case will last you many generations of rigs.

 

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If you are at the point of dropping a $1000+ on GPU and PSU, I would really consider getting a new case for your rig, especially if you are already experiencing overheating on your GTX960(?).

Better airflow is key in these gaming machines and a good quality case will last you many generations of rigs.

Agreed! However it will probably be until Sept/Oct when I do this. I want to wait for the new intel chip before I start doing it. Most likely will get the corsair 780T case with liquid cooling either corsair or EKWB predator. Right now the founder version 1080 should do fine with my limitations until I custom build. Just need to figure out what type of mother board I need, however I will wait until the specs for the intel chips become clear. I already have the EVGA 750 PSU. The computer I have now will be a pass me down. So it will all work out in the end and the founder version should be more then I need for my type of gaming with 1440p. I dont really need to overclook becuase I do not plan on buying a 4k monitor. My 2nd monitor will most likely be also a 1440p however with high refresh rates either 100 Hz or 144Hz. However if I do overclock in the future I can likely bring the founder 1080 version to 2 Ghz and remain stable with a good case to keep the card cool from the other heat being generated in the case.

P.S. here is a photo of my actual GTX 960...probably the cheapest version available and no wonder it heats up so quickly...