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BOOM!

http://www.techspot.com/news/65041-digital-storm-sticks-ten-core-i7-6950x-gtx.html



Intel's first 10-core desktop CPU will cost $1,723
http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/31/intel-debuts-its-first-10-core-cpu-the-core-i7-extreme-edition/

@glamphotographer this chip is perfect for you bro + the 1080 is you're still interested in chewing through 4k like cupcakes! :p



If I was to get one today, I probably go with the 6850k.
Ok, now my budget is $3500. Doooahhhh!!! Wonder how it will handle 8K video? Building a new PC is like Lego for Tech geeks.
 

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Ok, now my budget is $3500. Doooahhhh!!! Wonder how it will handle 8K video? Building a new PC is like Lego for Tech geeks.
Fuck yeah!!!! It's actually quite rewarding plus you can also be more way more productive! I am learning so much from a year ago and its a lot of fun.Also best way to learn is yourself and through mistakes thus why I needed to make the mac mistake. Although I still want to hackintosh my skylake eventually becuase of all the programs I invested with Mac like FCP X.

What are you shooting at 8k :Eek: Red dragon??? Holly molly!!! This is a league of its own. I just shoot in 4k all my videos even though I only have a 1440p monitor to future proof, but 8k I can only imagine the sace requirements for this.
 

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Haaaaaaa!!!!!! Yes get the 1070 you'll be banging your head against the wall for being penny wise pound foolish.

This video is a perfect example of the performance issue of 1070 with doom. I just played this same level on 1440p ultra settings with 1080 and the stutter and lag are evident when watching this video on the 1070. 1440p medium in the video shows a slight stutter, however still playable. Compared to 1080 1440p ultra there is no lag or stutter that I could notice. Next setting the guy used was 1440p ultra IMO the stuttuer is noticeable and enough to distract from full game immersion and enjoyment. His 4k demo IMO is NOT playable it its just pointless playing a game with such fast action with such stutter and lag.

My conclusions with palying Doom on the 1080 card after 2 days I am extremely impressed. I can not notice any lag at 1440p ultra and and am enjoying the game so much. I am very please with my purchase and videos like the one below further reinforces a decision to go premium video card. What is the point then playing, what is the point then spending $80 on video games if you cant enjoy them fully. Guys think here dont be like some of these guys penny wise pound foolish. Think why you need this type of card in the first place. If you enjoy games don't cheep out the 1080 is honestly worth it. I had the 960 and this one is night and day better.

Only downside is it runs about 74 deg average with my case set up and I can hear the blower fan once in a while. I knew this and its okay, the performance and game play is there. I would strongly recommend the 1080 if you are into gaming. Dont go with the 1070. If you dont believe just try both out yourself with a game like Doom.

Be careful of the cheepo poison running your decisions and the end result which is game play. You cant go wrong with 1080 founder, it is a solid and stable card.

 

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The Rx 480 4GB @ $200 USD and 8Gb @ $250 USD, is the best deal around. I will probably get the 4GB card, it beats the GTX 970 which is the minimum for VR. If your mobo supports crossfire then I think it is a logical move to get the RX 480 and then add a 2nd one if you really want to turn up the eye candy, but adding a 2nd card right now is a bit of a waste as many games do not support SLI/Crossfire. But with DX 12 I think this will change and multiple low cost GPUs will be the default reasonable choice and you have to justify why you want to run a single high powered card.
 

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Fucking HA again!

This guy just over clocked the MSI extreme version. Apparently has a 3rd party advanced cooler bullshit nonsense. This guy is sponsored by MSI and is indirectly saying their system is shit. He is managing to overclock the reference by a higher amount then this MSI fancy pancy design. But yeah lets just wait and keep on waiting until we all come to the conclusion many of us already know. That reference design is pretty sick and stable to begin with and you get decent overclock, definitely stable over 2 Ghz and I tested this myself with MSI afterburner ...CAN I please get a big HAaaaaa again. LOL.

Turn to12:33 where he presents his conclusion...

P.S. I wonder how that AMD will do with a game like Doom. I doubt one will get decent game play on 1440p. To be honest once I disabled the motion blur on my ultra settings the game play improved. The game stuttered like a bitch on the first boss fight. I noticed the motion blur actually made the game play and immersion worse. Why even have it there as a default. Also I just updated the driver on the Nvidia 1080 and the thing is not reving up like a bitch. Before it would make me nervous how loud it got. The new driver actually fixed it. Now it does not sound loud at all. Just normal fan noise.
 

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Factory OCed cards are just a bit silly to begin, so long as the cooler is good then you can push you card usually to well above factory OCed cards, unless the manufacturer goes through the extra length of binning cards but that is time intensive.

I do not think the AMD RX480 will OC much, AMD probably is pushing the Mhz to as high as it is practical. That is the only thing I can think of to reconcile the fact that the RX480 is a much smaller die than the GTX 1070 yet the rated TDP is about the same; AMD must be clocking these GPUs well beyond the sweet zone of power consumption vs performance. Indeed I think many people will underclock their RX 480s to get a much smaller power envelope. Maybe the 480 is for some reason very power hungry at short intervals and the average power consumption is very low. Nobody will know until the card is released.

I do not expect the RX 480 to exceed expectations in Doom, probably around the same as a GTX 970, but that is because Doom is not a DX 12 title. In DX 12 titles, the RX 480 will probably perform closer to a 980 TI or a 1070. Nvidia even with their new cards seem to carry over their performance troubles in DX 12, however this is only based on a single game; ashes of the singularity which is really the only DX 12 title availble right now that is designed specifically for DX 12. But since AMD is supplying all the consoles with GPUs and consoles practically run DX 12 or a variant of it, whatever margin of victory AMD has with DX 12 titles right now vs Nvidia will probably only grow larger as time goes on. The list of DX 12 games that parterned with AMD is much longer than DX 12 games with Nvidia.

In anycase, be it you bought a 1070/1080 or you are going to buy a RX480, you get much better bang for buck than previous generation cards. Wheather one new card is slightly better bang for buck vs another is marginal at best, and it would depend specifically on the games you play or want to play.
 

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How long will it take for 970 and 980 to drop in price, 6 months, 1 year or never?
I thought it would happen, however it is not really happening, I could not spot that significant of a decline. You can check out history of previous cards and serch it out a bit. Start with the 780, I think this one was a hot potato few years back similar to the 1080. However I am not seeing a price decline.

Did you check out kijiji or Craigslist.

I think maybe they dont want to take on huge loss and undercut each other.

P.S. last time I checked the 1080 is still being sold out everywhere. Surely we can't all be fools for dropping a G on a videocard :D
 

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I thought it would happen, however it is not really happening, I could not spot that significant of a decline. You can check out history of previous cards and serch it out a bit. Start with the 780, I think this one was a hot potato few years back similar to the 1080. However I am not seeing a price decline.

Did you check out kijiji or Craigslist.

I think maybe they dont want to take on huge loss and undercut each other.

P.S. last time I checked the 1080 is still being sold out everywhere. Surely we can't all be fools for dropping a G on a videocard :D
Yeah, still see a GTX 780 going close to a grand on amazon.
 

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Vulkan looks promising ....


I do not expect the RX 480 to exceed expectations in Doom, probably around the same as a GTX 970, but that is because Doom is not a DX 12 title. In DX 12 titles, the RX 480 will probably perform closer to a 980 TI or a 1070. Nvidia even with their new cards seem to carry over their performance troubles in DX 12, however this is only based on a single game; ashes of the singularity which is really the only DX 12 title availble right now that is designed specifically for DX 12. But since AMD is supplying all the consoles with GPUs and consoles practically run DX 12 or a variant of it, whatever margin of victory AMD has with DX 12 titles right now vs Nvidia will probably only grow larger as time goes on. The list of DX 12 games that parterned with AMD is much longer than DX 12 games with Nvidia....
 
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I picked up a GTX 980 for only $420 on craigslist. This card is a screamer. It rendered a 1 hr 1080p video in less than 22 minutes on my i7 3770. Tested it in 4k and render times was less than 50 minutes. 720p video in less 5 minutes.
 

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I picked up a GTX 980 for only $420 on craigslist. This card is a screamer. It rendered a 1 hr 1080p video in less than 22 minutes on my i7 3770. Tested it in 4k and render times was less than 50 minutes. 720p video in less 5 minutes.
God bless your soul! I am trying to be positive today and will say congratulations on your purchase and your decision and leave it at that. Sounds like you are happy and you got a good deal so good for you....
 

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Gigabyte GTX 1080 G1 Gaming can't handle 2050 overclock without artifacts. (See 10:30) The reference cards do 2088Mhz see post 110. BTW my card and many other reference cards boost straight out of the box 1830-1860. But yet we have another 3rd party bullshit card, that looks flashy and mean, is power hungry but fails in performance. Yup, 3rd party is the way to go was the advice given to me by 95% of so called experts including all the bullshit sponsored reviewers, even at best buy and canada computers. Another fucking bullshit advice, and people regurgitating crap without thinking about it. Yup us losers just refuse to listen and keep buying the reference card still selling it out on majority of retailers and Nvidia GTX website. Good thing majority still refuse to listen to bad advice of skewed paid reviewers and so called experts. But maybe if we penny pinch we will save $50 and have a mean card.


This is what I get with my founder....it stays at 1860 constant without any adjustments and the temperature does not go past 72 deg. Sometimes it drops to approx 1830 and for lesser demanding games stays at 1733. These 3rd party promise this boost to 1860 but can't even maintain a constant 1860 out of box based on videos I've seen...the nvidia specs claim boost to low 1700s but give you in the high 1800s...lol



Yup, get your 3rd party version, great advice :thumb:

My point is, get the reference design. It is stable, tested, improved and optimized to perform. Right now I see no need to overclock my card becuase my monitor cant handle more then 60 fps and can max out all games at 1440p. However, the reference card has been a great purchase and made my games and gameplay flawless. Once Nvidia released the new driver it fixed some issues we were having with the fan reving up and temperatures. Now the thing stays at 72 provided you don't OC. What a great card.
 

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Gigabyte GTX 1080 G1 Gaming can't handle 2050 overclock without artifacts. (See 10:30) The reference cards do 2088Mhz see post 110. BTW my card and many other reference cards boost straight out of the box 1830-1860. But yet we have another 3rd party bullshit card, that looks flashy and mean, is power hungry but fails in performance. Yup, 3rd party is the way to go was the advice given to me by 95% of so called experts including all the bullshit sponsored reviewers, even at best buy and canada computers. Another fucking bullshit advice, and people regurgitating crap without thinking about it. Yup us losers just refuse to listen and keep buying the reference card still selling it out on majority of retailers and Nvidia GTX website. Good thing majority still refuse to listen to bad advice of skewed paid reviewers and so called experts. But maybe if we penny pinch we will save $50 and have a mean card.

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My point is, get the reference design. It is stable, tested, improved and optimized to perform. Right now I see no need to overclock my card because my monitor cant handle more then 60 fps and can max out all games at 1440p. However, the reference card has been a great purchase and made my games and gameplay flawless. Once Nvidia released the new driver it fixed some issues we were having with the fan reving up and temperatures. Now the thing stays at 72 provided you don't OC. What a great card.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read many of your posts. Just proves a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Did you really post a German (?) Youtube video in support of your opinion??

If you don't intend to overclock, why are you using that as your only criteria when comparing Nvidia to board-partners?
Do you understand the concept of "silicon-lottery" and "binning"?

There are only a few areas that board-partners can modify their products under their licensing agreements. For example, factory overclock of GPU and memory, connectors, cooling (better or quieter), power management, bundled software, utilities, warranty and PRICE. Most board-partners have several lines. The test individual GPUs and bin based on performance. The better parts go into their better cards. For example the board-partners put the least overclockable GPUs into their lower-line products and sell them for less than Nvidia, but still match Nvidia's reference performance. The better GPUs go into their various tiered OCed products. <-- this process takes a few months to develop and perfect. But in the end the the board-partners will offer less expensive boards than Nvidia with same performance/more features and factory OCed boards that will out-perform Nvidia at an attractive price with a warranty.

Remember, this is the exact same silicon as Nvidia uses, just sorted based on OC performance.

Further overclocking performed by private enthusiasts, which you seem totally focused on as a quality measure, is a roll of the dice (i.e. silicon-lottery). TODAY the variances are large for the reasons I describe above: One card may only overclock a few % more, but the next one on the shelf may go 20% more. In a few months, that will no longer be the case as binning gets perfected. My point - most current comparison tests are unreliable and therefore irrelevant. Wait 2-3 months, then compare (as I originally said at the beginning of this thread).


So ....... God bless your soul! I am trying to be positive today and will say congratulations on your purchase and your decision and leave it at that. Sounds like you are happy and you got a good deal so good for you.... we'll take again when the drivers are more mature and both the Nvidia and OEM cards have a few months of production stability and perfect their binning techniques.
 

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Wow, promo you are just as bad as me and I see your other firestarter posts in the other threads...well at least you ended it on a positive note. :clap2: BTW don't forget that ridelin and I look forward to the updated drivers and witnessing the 3rd party just make a mess out of the founder card through further benchmarks. The only mod that has potential thus far IMO is that EKWB water block modification to the reference card. Maybe the hybrid, however I remain skeptical and until I see proof. Until then I will enjoy my gaming.

P.S. since you asked why I need the 1080 card when it is not maxed out, here is the answer. I plan on getting a gaming monitor at least 1440p at 100 or 144 hz or maybe more. I also plan on building my own computer and passing down the one have and using the 1080 in my new build. In addition new games in the next 1-2 will be more demanding and I anticipate I will need to overclock to get the best performance and get the maximum life out of my investment. If I overclock the founder it will get loud and I will need a waterblock to keep it quite and cool. I know I will be able to do this and it will remain stable and I will get a good service life out of the card. Simple as pie.

BTW instead of just making noise and creating dust, why not post a video that shows benchmark where the 3rd party outperforms the 1080 reference. We can all talk all we want but if there is no substance what is the point. Show me where the 3rd party overclocks higher then 2088 Mhz and is stable . Show me where the 3rd party outperforms the founder versions. In benchmarks ans fps counts on actual games. Its simple, otherwise it is all talk no substance.

Cheers :D
 
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