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This video has just answered all my remaining questions about my GPU and future upgrade. It explains how to get around the thermal throttling issues the founder card is having with MSI Afterburner software. It also talks about the liquid cooling modification available, meaning if I purchase the EKWB Predator 360 in the future and this cooling block modification should work well together to cool both the CPU and GPU if I ever have the need to overclock past the boost available.

 
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GTX 1070 reviewed....


I'm thinking this will be good enough for me. I may even do 1070 SLI
 
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another review...


awesome performance for the little brother of the gtx1080
 
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here's a look at the 1070 overclock performance....

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and expect even better performance from 3rd party cards,plus i'm sure Nvidia still has some driver tweaks to do.
 
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here's a look at the 1070 overclock \]

and expect even better performance from 3rd party cards,plus i'm sure Nvidia still has some driver tweaks to do.
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I suspect this one to be one of the best cooling solutions in the market now from EK. A very good company and they have one of the best liquid cooling solutions in the industry for CPU and sell this as an add on for GPU. Just remove the existing cooler or get a bare card install their system and you're set. I suspect this will hook up nicely with the EK 360 predator as its made to expand and keep you case nice and cool.



https://www.ekwb.com/news/ek-unveils-new-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-water-blocks/
 
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1070 seems like great bang for buck, it is very hard to say that considering this card will be $500 CAD. AMD's delays are going to cost them dearly, AMD thinks that if they release low-mid range before Nvidia releases their low-mid cards that AMD will own the low-mid market but by the time their stuff is ready they will be facing the 1060 and 1050.
 
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MSI offerings.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-nvidia-gtx-1080-gpus,31913.html

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-cards/#?category=NVIDIA-GeForce<sup>&reg;</sup>-GTX-1080

ASUS

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-strix-gtx-1080-revealed,31905.html
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From your list the one I am excited about is this one...https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1080-SEA-HAWK.html#hero-overview I would not buy this blower versions alone, however with additional liquid cooling with blower in theory it should perform noticeably better. Do you know the price???

Be careful with the Asus Strix as there are many reports of issues with this version of the card.
 
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From your list the one I am excited about is this one...https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1080-SEA-HAWK.html#hero-overview I would not buy this blower versions alone, however with additional liquid cooling with blower in theory it should perform noticeably better. Do you know the price???

Be careful with the Asus Strix as there are many reports of issues with this version of the card.
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No,sorry had a quick look for the prices but was unable to locate them. They are referred to on the Tom's website link in the comments at the bottom of the page but I could not find them anywhere.

I will hazard a guess though that they range from about $100-$200 below Founders price to $200 above Founders. With the Strix possibly as high as $300, despite past reports.

Tom's page also list 2 cards from Zotac but no details yet.

As one commenter on the Tom's page mentioned in exasperation, one maker with 6 versions of the same card, "this is getting out of hand".

PS I notice that Canada Computers website has the 1080 listed at $919 for the Founders edition by 6 different third party makers.
 
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No,sorry had a quick look for the prices but was unable to locate them. They are referred to on the Tom's website link in the comments at the bottom of the page but I could not find them anywhere.

I will hazard a guess though that they range from about $100-$200 below Founders price to $200 above Founders. With the Strix possibly as high as $300, despite past reports.

Tom's page also list 2 cards from Zotac but no details yet.

As one commenter on the Tom's page mentioned in exasperation, one maker with 6 versions of the same card, "this is getting out of hand".

PS I notice that Canada Computers website has the 1080 listed at $919 for the Founders edition by 6 different third party makers.
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LOL...they increased the price a bit. I bought mine for $909 store pick up NCIX. On Amazon it was getting crazy. Some vendors were selling them for mid to high $1g.

As for it getting out of hand I dont think so. This is a key indicator of the progress of gaming. We are now at a pinnacle of gaming. It is not just a small progress but finally a point where the gaming is at such a high quality level of immersion, story and gameplay that its worth it for adults to get back into it especially on PCs as there is a huge difference between the PCs and PS and XBOX versions of the same game. This is the whole greater then the sum of the parts with the synergy concept working at its prime to provide optimal user experience. Think of market disruption and it is happening now thx to Nvidia. You can't ignore this crazy demand and sales figures. Now add VR to this mix and it has pushed gaming to a whole new level. These 3rd suppliers know this. All the stocks are getting sold out very quickly and they cant still meet demands. Like I mentioned earlier in the 4 mins it took me to put my order in, the stock was sold out on Nvidia website.

This is why I am getting the 1080 vs 1070. I know that the 1070 is good for current games at 1440p, however give them a year and it will struggle to keep up with the new games at this resolutions. The 1080 is like the 980 when it was released. You also have the option to SLI and it should compete with the next major upgrade provided it makes sense to do this vs. just buy a new card at the time and sell the founder on the used market.
 
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LOL...they increased the price a bit. I bought mine for $909 store pick up NCIX. On Amazon it was getting crazy. Some vendors were selling them for mid to high $1g.

As for it getting out of hand I dont think so. This is a key indicator of the progress of gaming. We are now at a pinnacle of gaming. It is not just a small progress but finally a point where the gaming is at such a high quality level of immersion, story and gameplay that its worth it for adults to get back into it especially on PCs as there is a huge difference between the PCs and PS and XBOX versions of the same game. This is the sum of the parts greater then the whole with the synergy concept working at its prime to provide optimal user experience. Think of market disruption and it is happening now thx to Nvidia. You can't ignore this crazy demand and sales figures. Now add VR to this mix and it has pushed gaming to a whole new level. These 3rd suppliers know this. All the stocks are getting sold out very quickly and they cant still meet demands. Like I mentioned earlier in the 4 mins it took me to put my order in, the stock was sold out on Nvidia website.

This is why I am getting the 1080 vs 1070. I know that the 1070 is good for current games at 1440p, however give them a year and it will struggle to keep up with the new games at this resolutions. The 1080 is like the 980 when it was released. You also have the option to SLI and it should compete with the next release provided it makes sense to do this vs. just buy a new card at the time and sell the founder on the used market.
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I am in agreement to some extent, but at what point do diminishing returns kick in for standard desktop gaming? Will anyone really be able to tell the difference in quality between a 980 and a 1080? Perceptually can humans make a judgement between 50 and 60 fps? Probably not.

However, with VR it becomes more important to have the headroom necessary to maintain the effect. Most important along these lines in not necessarily the power of the tech but its ergonomics. By this I am talking about being tethered to your machine by cables. Two links to look at. The first is from Tom's on two innovations that will mitigate this. Two products, the MSI at the top and further down the Omen by HP.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-mobile-vr-pc-backpack,31921.html

The second link is from a company in Australia I first read about at CNET last year. This take the idea of laser tag and to some extent paintball to another level. The company has a large warehouse outfitted for wireless VR gaming.

https://www.zerolatencyvr.com/

http://www.cnet.com/news/zero-latency-vr-entertainment-revolution-begins-melbourne-australia/

This way you don't have to worry about crashing around your living room destroying your furniture, lol. If anyone is interested in getting a franchise for this going here, let me know, I'm in.
 
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I am in agreement to some extent, but at what point do diminishing returns kick in for standard desktop gaming? Will anyone really be able to tell the difference in quality between a 980 and a 1080? Perceptually can humans make a judgement between 50 and 60 fps? Probably not.

However, with VR it becomes more important to have the headroom necessary to maintain the effect. Most important along these lines in not necessarily the power of the tech but its ergonomics. By this I am talking about being tethered to your machine by cables. Two links to look at. The first is from Tom's on two innovations that will mitigate this. Two products, the MSI at the top and further down the Omen by HP.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-mobile-vr-pc-backpack,31921.html

The second link is from a company in Australia I first read about at CNET last year. This take the idea of laser tag and to some extent paintball to another level. The company has a large warehouse outfitted for wireless VR gaming.

https://www.zerolatencyvr.com/

http://www.cnet.com/news/zero-latency-vr-entertainment-revolution-begins-melbourne-australia/

This way you don't have to worry about crashing around your living room destroying your furniture, lol. If anyone is interested in getting a franchise for this going here, let me know, I'm in.
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I like this type of progression, those links have me excited and looks like lots of fun plus a good exercise. However I also imagine that exo suits that will make players strong and run faster and jump higher will start taking off. Maybe even fully enclosed with HUD for missions and other fun stuff in addition to this VR stuff. i.e. drops you and a team in the middle of nowhere and need to survive and if needed call in rescue until you reach your check point and rechage or repalce battery. I can also see battles happening with these exo suits tournaments etc.....the possibilities are endless. It is definitely exciting times. I can just hope one day they will have a DOOM like suit available :D maybe with rubber bullets that stain. I know the army is testing this kind of exo suit so its only a matter of time before it hits the commercial end with the VR/holo/hud element. Maybe the advancement in battery tech it will go hand in hand with this type of gaming progression. Yeah baby the future is finally around the corner and it looks very exciting. There is definitely potential to make money with the portable VR in that link in the near term 1-2 years, I definitely agree with this as also the possibilities are endless from kids to adults. This will take off huge. Imagine Disney land and Wounder land and touring the dinasour exhibit or enchanted castle or horror house.
 
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Have you guys ever considered a wall mounted PC. I think wall mounted PC are so sick and very functional and am seriously considering this option. It is practicall, looks nice, keeps it cool, keeps it away from the desk to pervent hot air blowing on your legs, it frees up your desk and easy access. I think the wife might think I went nuts, however given all the issues with heat I think this might just be the best solution. Also to clean would be a breeze and would free up so much space on floor and desk.

What do you guys think of this idea? If you are getting a tower who cares if its portable or not.



http://www.feros.us/phone/index.html

Do you have any experience with this company ^^^

Here is another option from Amazon.com for $135usd


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015U...ed+pc+case&dpPl=1&dpID=51C0gLZBUwL&ref=plSrch
 
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BOOM!

http://www.techspot.com/news/65041-digital-storm-sticks-ten-core-i7-6950x-gtx.html

It’s only been a few hours since Intel’s monstrously powerful and terrifyingly expensive 10-core i7-6950X was announced, and now we’ve just learned that boutique computer manufacturer Digital Storm’s Aura all-in-one PC will be one of the first machines to feature the Extreme Edition CPU....
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Intel's first 10-core desktop CPU will cost $1,723
http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/31/intel-debuts-its-first-10-core-cpu-the-core-i7-extreme-edition/

@glamphotographer this chip is perfect for you bro + the 1080 is you're still interested in chewing through 4k like cupcakes! :p



If I was to get one today, I probably go with the 6850k.
 
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BOOM!

http://www.techspot.com/news/65041-digital-storm-sticks-ten-core-i7-6950x-gtx.html



Intel's first 10-core desktop CPU will cost $1,723
http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/31/intel-debuts-its-first-10-core-cpu-the-core-i7-extreme-edition/

@glamphotographer this chip is perfect for you bro + the 1080 is you're still interested in chewing through 4k like cupcakes! :p



If I was to get one today, I probably go with the 6850k.
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https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1422869
 
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https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1422869
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Not a bad price. You save about $50-100 USD if doing it yourself, however I question why not 100 Hz refresh rate if you are paying $5k USD for a premium PC. Might as well include all premium parts. However, I'd still do my own build if I had this money to burn. However isn't intel planning on 10nm chip in 2017..http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...h-generation-chips-kaby-lake-apollo-lake-2016 Personally I'd prefer to wait if I can for the 2017 to make my decision, however you never know these new chips might be worth it.

Estimate in USD
- 34" Curved 3440x1440 diplay at 60Hz - $800
- i7 $1750
- Motherboard $400
- 32 GB DDR4 2666 Mhz $130
- M.2 SSD Samsung 950 512 GB - $315
- Hard Disk $50
- Gtx 1080 $699
- Digital Storm Cooling $100
- Case $250
Approx $4500
 
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