Brett Kavanaugh and His Accuser Say They’re Willing to Testify
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Jeff Flake now wants a week's delay in conjunction with the Democrats and for a FBI Investigation. Great job Jeff, but there is some confusion as to how they are moving on.
Jeff Flake has a conscious!! So no vote for now!!
Jeff Flake has a conscious!! So no vote for now!!
He has no more or less basis than you and the other Trumpanistas do to declare Kavanaughs innocence.
Somehow I doubt opponents will accept any FBI reports that exonerate them. The next step already bandied about is one week won't be enough.
Watch as that becomes the new rally cry.
Watch as that becomes the new rally cry.
Presumption of anything when you are appointing a person to the highest court for his lifetime is not good enough. If the allegations are enough to hear testimony then it should be enough that questions are raised. IF these questions are troubling enough then the confirmation should be denied or extended. That may not seem fair, but it's less risky than ignoring troubling questions.
Note: These have now been extended for a week for the FBI to conduct an investigation. As well, Trump has distanced himself saying that the Ford was "an incredible woman and credible". That's a huge walkback from calling the matter a "Con job". He also said that Kavanaugh's testimony was powerful - but that's not exactly as powerful an endorsement from Trump as the past few days.
Finally there is some sanity attempted to being instilled in the process. Hence, the process could be delayed for a week with a FBI Investigation, if Jeff Flake and a couple of other Republicans decide to Vote No.
Let us hope for COMMON SENSE!!
Let us hope for COMMON SENSE!!
Like I said. People aren't going to like it when there isn't enough found.
I also expect a flood of anonymous "tips" as well. And a call to investigate every last one.
And again. Presumption of innocence should be the standard. Ask yourself if you were up for a promotion and an anonymous email derailed it if you would be so accepting. It isn't about the position, it's about the fairness of the process.
Comments sense dictates that he be confirmed. Emotion and politics say another week. Fine. They will get their week.
And the vote will happen.
Poor analogy. There is nothing in the private sector similar to a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court with the power to interpret and shape laws that affect every citizen going forward. The process is not about "fairness" - it's about satisfying the majority that the choice is good. In that sense it IS fair even if Kavanaugh is rejected but not charged.
Fair enough.
That means I presume that if he is confirmed you agree the process worked and his record is clear?
No, if he's confirmed it just means the process worked. It doesn't mean his record is clear EXACTLY like it won't mean he is guilty if he is not confirmed. Sheesh.
Oh, and if you want to talk about the process and fairness - simply go to page 11 of this thread and read J.T. Kirk's reminder about Garland. Garland was a choice with BI-PARTISAN support but it never even went to confirmation. Don't ever forget that if you want to talk about fairness and process.
Not in 2018 when it involves sexual abuse/misconduct allegations.
Society has now adopted the diametrically opposite of Blackstone's Formulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation
It is the Duke Lacrosse case all over again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
Unfortunately his historical record has demonstrated that fairness and process means just 'win at any and all costs and damn the consequences'.
Let the FBI do their investigation. The American Bar Association called for it. It is a fair and reasonable course of action. Let the FBI talk face to face with Mike Judge now. No more hiding behind a letter from a law firm. Let them interview the other people who were present at that point in time. If the FBI concludes Kavanaugh is in the clear, then welcome to the Supreme Court. Entirely reasonable.
If the Republicans move to veto the FBI investigation then they make themselves look like they are engaging in some sort of coverup. (They don't want to know the truth, they just want to stack the Supreme Court in their favour. The optics of that are terrible. ).
The job of being a Supreme Court judge is too important to elect someone who is comprised.
Besides, the truth always comes out.
If the Republicans move to veto the FBI investigation then they make themselves look like they are engaging in some sort of coverup. (They don't want to know the truth, they just want to stack the Supreme Court in their favour. The optics of that are terrible. ).
The job of being a Supreme Court judge is too important to elect someone who is comprised.
Besides, the truth always comes out.
First this is not a criminal proceeding and the presumption has no application. But if you ant to apply some of the trappings of a criminal proceeding then you would have to agree tht there should have been a fulsome hearing with all the witnesses who may have evidence. Like Mark Judge. Unless you are afraid of what a real hearing would reveal.
In my opinion, Kavanaugh did enough by himself to fail confirmation. Eg: His FOX interview where he presented himself as some virtuous choirboy was WAY over the top, when there is all sorts of evidence that he was a partier. So why go there, since being a partier is not necessarily a bad thing - but lying about being one is. Then yesterday, he let his emotions get the better of him and he launched into his highly partisan conspiracy theory where the entire Democrat Party conspired to deny him this appointment. So let's say he IS appointed - how will he be able to make judgements without his obvious political bias showing through - he's already demonstrated that his emotions can run SO high that he loses it during the most important testimony of his life. Again - entirely his doing, when all he had to do was calmly and professionally deny the accusations.
So he should fail the confirmation strictly on his own mistakes over the past 2 days.
So he should fail the confirmation strictly on his own mistakes over the past 2 days.
Be prepared to be disappointed. The investigation will not draw any conclusions. And I don't see anything coming to light.
Well good luck with that since his record was not completely open during this confirmation process. Seriously Butler - why do you even try to pass BS like "I prefer to look at his record" when you can't possibly have done that? (not to mention that his testimony and Fox interview are now a part of his "record").
