Brett Kavanaugh and His Accuser Say They’re Willing to Testify

Phil C. McNasty

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If there are more women coming forward then giving it one more week is the right thing to do
 

Butler1000

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Well good luck with that since his record was not completely open during this confirmation process. Seriously Butler - why do you even try to pass BS like "I prefer to look at his record" when you can't possibly have done that? (not to mention that his testimony and Fox interview are now a part of his "record").
Seriously? You think his record of public service is suspect? The 6 previous FBI vetts were improperly done?

How about this. In light of this supposed past, should he ALSO lose his place on the bench he now holds?
 

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Seriously? You think his record of public service is suspect? The 6 previous FBI vetts were improperly done?

How about this. In light of this supposed past, should he ALSO lose his place on the bench he now holds?
When you said you prefer to look at his record - I assumed you were talking about his record as a jurist. Silly me. So what you're really talking about when you say "record" is his record of conduct. Which his past two days is perhaps the most important and current example of his fitness for the highest court. Correct? So why are you picking and choosing elements of his record to ignore? You're quite full of shit. The bull variety.
 

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When you said you prefer to look at his record - I assumed you were talking about his record as a jurist. Silly me. So what you're really talking about when you say "record" is his record of conduct. Which his past two days is perhaps the most important and current example of his fitness for the highest court. Correct? So why are you picking and choosing elements of his record to ignore? You're quite full of shit. The bull variety.
Add in his record in politics. 26 years. And what his colleagues and subordinates thought if him.

No I don't think uncooborated 36 year old accusations should apply.

Anyway they will now talk to Judge. And the other named people at the party.

All will say it didn't happen. Then what?
 

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Add in his record in politics. 26 years. And what his colleagues and subordinates thought if him.

No I don't think uncooborated 36 year old accusations should apply.

Anyway they will now talk to Judge. And the other named people at the party.

All will say it didn't happen. Then what?
His record is his resume. His testimony and conduct surrounding this controversy is really the job interview. Hey - you like private sector analogies, right? This one actually is appropriate. I think he did a shit job on the interview phase yesterday and his FOX interview was a bad attempt to warm up the audience and another bad performance. But just because he fails the job interview doesn't mean he's "guilty". Just that he didn't get the job. Life goes on.
 

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Not in 2018 when it involves sexual abuse/misconduct allegations.

Society has now adopted the diametrically opposite of Blackstone's Formulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation

It is the Duke Lacrosse case all over again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
Maybe you can find a few cases where the guy spends his whole life in prison after being falsely accused. But those cases don't evoke the same passion, I guess.

HOw about the most famous one where a little boy lost his life? Emmitt Till. His life was ruined. Not Brett's.
 

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Interesting opinion. I prefer to look at his record.
Did you peep his performance under questioning and his evading questions...answering a question with a question.

This guy doesn't seem fit at all. A prime example that not only book work/great grades should matter.
 

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First this is not a criminal proceeding and the presumption has no application. But if you ant to apply some of the trappings of a criminal proceeding then you would have to agree tht there should have been a fulsome hearing with all the witnesses who may have evidence. Like Mark Judge. Unless you are afraid of what a real hearing would reveal.
In a real hearing (assuming you'd even get one, considering the absence of evidence), Ford would have been properly destroyed by cross examination, the prosecutor wouldn't dare call a witness like Judge, and no one would ever be called by Kavanaugh as a witness.
 

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Comments sense dictates that he be confirmed. Emotion and politics say another week. Fine. They will get their week.

And the vote will happen.
What I precisely said is that they should have delayed it by a week and to have then conducted a FBI Investigation. But off course in your Trump like opinion you think that they should have gone ahead and elected to nominate him.

Again, I was right and you were wrong.
 

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In a real hearing (assuming you'd even get one, considering the absence of evidence), Ford would have been properly destroyed by cross examination, the prosecutor wouldn't dare call a witness like Judge, and no one would ever be called by Kavanaugh as a witness.
Why do you speculate that the prosecutor wouldn't dare call a witness like Judge?
 

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In a real hearing (assuming you'd even get one, considering the absence of evidence), Ford would have been properly destroyed by cross examination, the prosecutor wouldn't dare call a witness like Judge, and no one would ever be called by Kavanaugh as a witness.
Ford would not have been destroyed nearly enough to give Kavanaugh comfort to not testify. He'd have to testify or face a very possible conviction.
 

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Ford would not have been destroyed nearly enough to give Kavanaugh comfort to not testify. He'd have to testify or face a very possible conviction.
I won't repeat why that isn't so, but instead I'll just note that my true prediction is that the prosecution wouldn't have proceeded at all. With the absence of evidence, wouldn't even have made it past a grand jury.
 

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How alcohol causes blackouts and blocks memories

The allegations of sexual assault against Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh have a common element of binge drinking, and highlight the powerful effects alcohol can have on adolescents and their still-developing brains. Alcohol not only changes behavior — sometimes with disastrous consequences — it can also interfere with memory formation, creating gaps that experts refer to as blackouts.

“In the moment, the person can be functioning normally, with no sign there’s going to be memory impairment. But because those memories never get consolidated and stored, it’s like they never occurred, so you can’t recall them later on,” said Kate Carey, a clinical psychologist at Brown University School of Public Health. “Which doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.”

Binge drinking and the imperfection of memory are likely to be discussed during Thursday’s hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Christine Blasey Ford said the Supreme Court nominee became “stumbling drunk” and attacked her at a party in high school. Kavanaugh has denied the allegation. He also said in a television interview that he’d never had a blackout from alcohol.

Binge drinking among U.S. high school students peaked in the early 1980s, when Kavanaugh was a student at Georgetown Prep. High school binge drinking has declined in recent decades in part because dozens of states, as well as the District of Columbia, raised the minimum legal drinking age to 21 in the 1980s, said Katherine Keyes, an epidemiologist at Columbia University and an expert on alcohol consumption.

Alcohol impairs memory formation, but not in a simple or easily anticipated way, researchers say. There’s no clear cutoff point at which memory will be suppressed. David J. Nutt, a psychiatrist and alcohol expert at Imperial College London, said alcohol blocks the neurotransmitter glutamate, which is essential to memory formation. That typically happens when people are “very, very drunk,” he said.

Adolescents are at risk of getting very drunk, in part because they are less sensitive to sedative effects, such as sleepiness or stumbling, that tell adults they’ve had too much, according to Marisa Silveri, director of the Neurodevelopmental Laboratory on Addictions and Mental Health at McLean Hospital.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8a7684492af9
 

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Why do you speculate that the prosecutor wouldn't dare call a witness like Judge?
Let me count the ways:

1. He's potentially complicit in the crime (calling criminals as your witnesses as a crown is never a great strategy).
2. He's a recovering alcoholic and was possibly an alcoholic and under the influence at the material time.
3. He's already on the record, on penalty of felony indictment, as denying the event.

That should be enough reasons.
 

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Let me count the ways:

1. He's potentially complicit in the crime (calling criminals as your witnesses as a crown is never a great strategy).
2. He's a recovering alcoholic and was possibly an alcoholic and under the influence at the material time.
3. He's already on the record, on penalty of felony indictment, as denying the event.

That should be enough reasons.
why would his alleged complicity in the crime be a stumbling block? He has not been charged with anything. At worst, he could make a deal. ONE simple question: Who was "Bart O'Kavanaugh" based upon? Kavanaugh already stated in testimony that Judge's book was a "work of fiction". Yet, it is a memoir of his days at St George's Prep and "Bart O'Kavanaugh" was his drinking/partying best friend in the book.

This is all useless speculation anyway, but Judge would be a great witness for the prosecution.
 

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Let me count the ways:

1. He's potentially complicit in the crime (calling criminals as your witnesses as a crown is never a great strategy).
2. He's a recovering alcoholic and was possibly an alcoholic and under the influence at the material time.
3. He's already on the record, on penalty of felony indictment, as denying the event.

That should be enough reasons.
None of the witnesses have to talk to the FBI. Firstly. Secondly, there's no starting point for the investigation as there is no time, no location available. And thirdly- let's presume that the FBI catches the accuser I a lie- a good chance due to her sketchy testimony. Will they press the charges and how many Democrats will change their vote? The delay is a stupid distraction designed by the Democrats to use more tools like the creepy porn lawyer. We're actually witnessing Republicans snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory.
 

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None of the witnesses have to talk to the FBI. Firstly. Secondly, there's no starting point for the investigation as there is no time, no location available. And thirdly- let's presume that the FBI catches the accuser I a lie- a good chance due to her sketchy testimony. Will they press the charges and how many Democrats will change their vote? The delay is a stupid distraction designed by the Democrats to use more tools like the creepy porn lawyer. We're actually witnessing Republicans snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory.
So Jeff Flake does not know what he is doing. Really??
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You know whats stupid about all this, even if Kav doesnt get confirmed, Trump will just have another SC judge lined up who MIGHT just be 10X more conservative then Kavanaugh, which means the Left is really gonna lose their collective minds to TDS.

I'm here for you guys though (see user title) :biggrin1: :wave:
 
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