Brett Kavanaugh and His Accuser Say They’re Willing to Testify
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lets assume, for the purpose of this post only, that everything you say is correct. Lets say that Feinstein and the Dems were totally negligent and political. How does any of that change the fact that a credible (not proved but credible) allegation has been made against someone nominated to the highest court in the land. That is not something worth waiting a week so that the FBI can investigate. Only if you are afraid of the outcome.
I’d bet Manchin and Donally will vote yes.
Manchin in a good guy from a very strong Trump state. I think he will vote yes because he’s in a re-election fight and his constituents want him to. He’s also incredibly fair minded. He should have switched parties in 16, he could serve for life as a Republican.
The Judge did what he should have. He refused to answer questions about political tactics during a job interview supposedly about his qualifications to sit on SCOTUS. Asking him whether there should be further FBI investigation, or further witnesses brought in to testify, were stupid questions to ask of him and were asked entirely for political reasons. The Senators asking the the questions ARE IN CHARGE of what FBI investigations take place and which witnesses are made to testify. They were looking for political leverage against other Senators to control the process of the hearing. It is not the place of the job applicant (or any witness in the proceeding) to have a view about the process the Senate should follow.
As to the questions about drinking, they were also just plain stupid, and should be embarrassing to the questioners. Almost everyone drinks, and almost everyone drank more in college/university than they do after they marry, have children, and get serious about their profession. The "devils triangle question" was particularly shameful, because that phrase is ALSO often used to describe a MMF threesome, and the questioner, no doubt, knew that. He just wanted to place that sexual innuendo (no pun intended) out there in the guise of getting Kavanaugh to explain a drinking game. Categorically shameful.
And don't even get me started about "looking for truth" in yearbooks or fictionalized novels!
A travesty.
I think you underestimate the personal risk women face in coming public with accusations of sexual assault.
Vox has a really good article on what this means.
https://www.vox.com/explainers/2018...supreme-court-senate-sexual-assault-testimony
It’s not credible. It’s emotional and she’s clearly suffered some trauma. There is simply no evidence or corroboration at all. This is as credible as you claiming Trudeau molested you as a young adult.
Another issue is that women never pay a price for false allegations, they simply don’t go to jail. False allegations are as high as 8-10%.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684
I have a son and a daughter, I worry about them both. There are things I can do to protect my daughter, and at 27 she’s now doing those things. There is nothing I can do to protect my son from some crazy bitch. And if we are honest, we all know plenty of those, women are the most vocal participants in a conversation about them, they know them better than we guys do.
The other problem I see with Senator Feinstein's story is this: You receive a bombshell letter the sender of which wishes to remain anonymous, do you (the Senator) really just sit on it, or do you send staffers rushing out to California to see if you can't get the sender allow you to use the letter to attempt to derail the nomination. Or if you assume pure motives to refer it for a reopened FBI background check.
However, the Senator would have us believe that she just sat on all of this until somehow miraculously it was leaked to the Washington Post, whereupon all Holy Hannah breaks loose in what should have been the final few days of the Conformation process.
So it is clear that the ABA want all the i's to be dotted and the t's to be crossed. There is still more than a month away before the midterms. It is clear that the FBI investigation would come to a conclusion days before the midterms. But this deliberate attempt by the Republicans to rush this nomination through irrespective of whether they believe that Kavanaugh did or did not commit this sexual assault is crystal clear in the way in which it was handled!!
Where do you get the notion that Finestein and Schumer are going to vote to confirm Kavanaugh's nomination?
And yet these hearings show that even making it public puts the women at serious risk, both personally and with threats against them.
This will make fewer women feel that its safe to make charges public.
This is a special case where partisan politics have overwhelmed rational thought, jurisprudence, the presumption of innocence and empathy.
If you want to blame someone blame the senator from CA, she had the letter and she let it leak. As a result two peoples lives and families have been diminished.
Kavanaugh being a probable mean drunk who likely raped girls when young isn't partisan politics.
Unless you really think that the GOP is the party of rapists and pussy grabbers and this is an attack on their freedom to do as they please.
I agree that it is a special case where partisan politics has descended to a point where the President and the Republican party firmly believe that aiding and abetting their alleged child molester and most overtly partisan nominee to be the next Justice to be sitting on the SCOTUS.
Just think about it, a Republican endorsed child molester sitting on the SCOTUS.
The ABA which Graham referred to as the "gold standard" thought it was credible. You are confusing credible with definitive. The fact that she was credible does not mean it did it. It means he may have done it such that a proper investigation is warranted.
You know it wont change only of you have prejudged it. It might change if you have not. You don't investigate only if you are afraid of the outcome.
Everyone needs to go to YouTube and find what ever source you prefer to see Ben Sasse yesterday.
He said it best.
And then go watch Graham again just for sheer theatre.
He said it best.
And then go watch Graham again just for sheer theatre.
Also acronyms in a yearbook 36 years later are not evidence. Neither are fictional characters in a book.
Why they thought this should be focused on us beyond me. Amateur hour.
Why they thought this should be focused on us beyond me. Amateur hour.
You have literally no basis upon which to make that assertion.
And more importantly, as over inflated as those qualifiers are, we are lucky that neither of us live in a country where that is the standard of justice.
The Republicans just lost any chance of holding on to their majority at the midterm elections.
But they gained a right wing Supreme Court for a couple of decades. Right to abortion will disappear, torture will be allowed, and most importantly, a president cannot be questioned.
But they gained a right wing Supreme Court for a couple of decades. Right to abortion will disappear, torture will be allowed, and most importantly, a president cannot be questioned.
Kavanaugh is vying for a lifetime position in the highest court in the land. A position that calls for non-partisanship and rulings based upon the law, not emotion. If anybody here is honest, he did not demonstrate any of those qualities yesterday. It's not enough to excuse him as "human". He is supposed to be of a higher standard - certainly that is what will be required of him when he makes a judgement on the Supreme Court. But he basically judged and accused the Democrats of a smear campaign which is simply the mirror image of what he's trying to fight - i.e. making judgements without sufficient proof. His partisan bias in making these accusations have opened up legitimate questions about his suitability for the high court. It should have been enough for him to deny the allegations without launching into an emotion driven conspiracy theory for which he has insufficient proof. Of course he will likely be voted in but that was almost a foregone conclusion. Thus, his emotional outburst yesterday was totally uncalled for and taints him before he even sits on the SC.
He's got enough questions that he should not be confirmed - and his performance under stress was entirely his own doing.
He's got enough questions that he should not be confirmed - and his performance under stress was entirely his own doing.
