Hey JW
Sympathies man, some davice that helped me is control what you can control, unfortunately, right now, that's you and what you do. You cannot force her to feel the way you think she should, right or wrong, she has her mindset. If you were a great guy to her then it's her loss not yours. Believe this, from what I have read in your first post, the more you try and contact her, the farther you will push her away.
Cut off all contact, give her a chance to miss you and remember what you did for her. No guarantees but that is the only thing that may help, leave her alone. Dont cling to hope that she will come back, if she does eventually try and initiate contact, you will be in a better frame of mind and fell much stronger, why?? BECAUSE YOU TOOK CONTROL OF THE SITUATION AND LEFT HER ON HER OWN!! Do it man, it's hard but do it. Good luck!!
This. I would add, start dating.
He is in no mental state to start dating. Why should some other chick become prey to his problems?
JW: work out. invest yourself in your career. make new friends. become a BETTER MAN than she knew.
I GUARANTEE you that this chick will find no happiness, not in the short term anyways. Her family seems to be her enablers.
You are 26 and she's 23, this was not going to be a relationship for life. Take this as a learning lesson, shrug it off and move on. You dodged a bullet.
couldnt sleep cause i have a few things on my mind so wanted to ask....
a couple weeks back i was in her town and in line, ironcally the dude she is seeing i think, was in line with his buddies - they dont know me. anyways, i over heard them talking shit saying how easy she is and how they dont have to do much on their part....my theory exactly b/c of her state of mind! anyways, i tried to warn her and tell her, these dudes r sharks and dont b easy and b stiff like u with me towards guys b/c they dont God damm give two shits but to no avail she thinks im being over protective etc...bullshit, b/c she bitched at me if i checked out a girl.
anyhow, i know she wants to "learn her lesson" but i care for her regardless....should i msg her cousin to talk to her, as it to pretend it was them that saw those dudes? like i said, she would value what other say over me.....i care for her and thus dont want jerks to take advantage if they havnt already b/c she is stupid like this and will fall for them. one of the guys made out with her and almost got shiet 6 years back (she was getting me back for having hickies back in the day - which was my f up).....so that dude is boys with the guy she is seeing so im sure hes told her how easy etc b/c of their convo they were having.
what do u guys think?
so you guys dont think i should interfere and tell her cousin to talk to her about what i heard???? her mom is a fking idiot and thinks her daughter should smoke up to relief her stress and go out and shit...which is fine but smoking up and all OK...but anyz....i just thought her mom would see me for what i did for her daughter, but that hurts the most.
it's so hard to not think about her or what she is doing. i went on a casual date or chat with a chic and i just ended up talking about my relationship etc...it was stupid. even if i go see SPs i am just thinking bout her body or wanting to be with her - it's such a temporary solution.
i just want someone to talk to her about this dude so she can see what his intentions are regardless of the fact that he introduced her to his mom and shit and appears to care.....i know sometimes ppl need to learn the hard way but man....how can she be so easy on other vs. be so hard and tough on me? i get we have a history and past but man....i still care for her and dont want her hurt.....i wish i could fast forward my life right now and now have this feeling anymore!
He is in no mental state to start dating. Why should some other chick become prey to his problems?
JW: work out. invest yourself in your career. make new friends. become a BETTER MAN than she knew.
I GUARANTEE you that this chick will find no happiness, not in the short term anyways. Her family seems to be her enablers.
You are 26 and she's 23, this was not going to be a relationship for life. Take this as a learning lesson, shrug it off and move on. You dodged a bullet.
so you guys dont think i should interfere and tell her cousin to talk to her about what i heard???? her mom is a fking idiot and thinks her daughter should smoke up to relief her stress and go out and shit...which is fine but smoking up and all OK...but anyz....i just thought her mom would see me for what i did for her daughter, but that hurts the most.
it's so hard to not think about her or what she is doing. i went on a casual date or chat with a chic and i just ended up talking about my relationship etc...it was stupid. even if i go see SPs i am just thinking bout her body or wanting to be with her - it's such a temporary solution.
i just want someone to talk to her about this dude so she can see what his intentions are regardless of the fact that he introduced her to his mom and shit and appears to care.....i know sometimes ppl need to learn the hard way but man....how can she be so easy on other vs. be so hard and tough on me? i get we have a history and past but man....i still care for her and dont want her hurt.....i wish i could fast forward my life right now and now have this feeling anymore!
i have been going to the gym past couple of weeks which is good...in terms of trying to become a better man...i want to show her this but w/o an opportunity from her, how am i suppose to show ive changed?
you become a better person for yourself, not someone else. And this level of desperation is sad.
yeah...i think i really fkd up up a couple weeks back by writing her essays after essays and msging her mom long messages...looked so desperate like a high school girl....any chance i had i think i just killed it by constantly nagging at her....but she was cold as fk and kept playing mind games with me which didnt help.....but yeah....i just hope i didnt fk it up for good.
ill stay away from messaging or contacting her b/c she doesnt care anymore but wish she could call and beter, if i can tell her bout that guys true intentions or the fact that guys boy was talking smack.
so you guys dont think i should interfere and tell her cousin to talk to her about what i heard???? her mom is a fking idiot and thinks her daughter should smoke up to relief her stress and go out and shit...which is fine but smoking up and all OK...but anyz....i just thought her mom would see me for what i did for her daughter, but that hurts the most.
it's so hard to not think about her or what she is doing. i went on a casual date or chat with a chic and i just ended up talking about my relationship etc...it was stupid. even if i go see SPs i am just thinking bout her body or wanting to be with her - it's such a temporary solution.
i just want someone to talk to her about this dude so she can see what his intentions are regardless of the fact that he introduced her to his mom and shit and appears to care.....i know sometimes ppl need to learn the hard way but man....how can she be so easy on other vs. be so hard and tough on me? i get we have a history and past but man....i still care for her and dont want her hurt.....i wish i could fast forward my life right now and now have this feeling anymore!
so you guys dont think i should interfere and tell her cousin to talk to her about what i heard???? her mom is a fking idiot and thinks her daughter should smoke up to relief her stress and go out and shit...which is fine but smoking up and all OK...but anyz....i just thought her mom would see me for what i did for her daughter, but that hurts the most.
i just want someone to talk to her about this dude so she can see what his intentions are regardless of the fact that he introduced her to his mom and shit and appears to care.....i know sometimes ppl need to learn the hard way but man....how can she be so easy on other vs. be so hard and tough on me? i get we have a history and past but man....i still care for her and dont want her hurt.....i wish i could fast forward my life right now and now have this feeling anymore!
I might sound a bit harsh here but please understand that it all comes from a place of kindness.
You are too young to be engaged and she is definitely too young to be engaged. I think you were the one who made a thread about your family not accepting her and agonizing over how to manage it all. At the time, the fact that you were unwilling to immediately take a firm stand with your family was a pretty good indicator that you're not ready for such a serious commitment. And it sounds like you two had been together for a while. If so, she's so young that she hasn't really had a chance to experience life. This is something she needs. My one disagreement with the great advice you're getting from many of the others on this thread is that she's probably not a bad person. The fact that you're so desperate to get back with her proves she must have many good qualities. She's young. She's needs to experience life, make mistakes, and grow as a person. And this often means hooking up with people who may not care for her any way other than sexually. That's ok. Nobody worries about men doing that (um, terb!). You don't own her body so stop trying to control what she does with it. There's a very good chance she knows that this guy (or guys) is not 'good' for her, but it's what she wants right now. She may end up hurt, but that's life. She needs a chance to experience life and it feels like you're trying to stifle her. People don't react well to that and it's probably why she's being so cold.
Finally, the gifts. It's totally appropriate to get your stuff back but not the gifts. Gifts are gifts. Asking to get back things you bought her demonstrates a real lack of class/maturity. Again it sounds like you trying to own her. I can't imagine anyone reacting well to learning that what they thought was given in generosity was actually just an assurance for her continued devotion. I'm not saying all this to be a jerk. Many of us have been in similar situations. Now we look back and realize that 1) it probably saved us from a lot of misery later on and 2) it's a chance to grow and mature personally. In two years you'll be shaking your head and laughing at how dramatic it all seemed at the time.