Breaking: Mayor Tory Steps Down.

[GameBoy27]

Well then, how is Trudeau still the PM for 8 years?? You can't get more liberal, than Justin. Interestingly enough, Doug Ford is becoming a closet liberal. Doug is best friends with Chrystia Freeland, and always does photo ops with the PM.

Did you even read my post to Frankie? I said his assertion that Conservatives are corrupt and Liberals aren't is simply laughable. I was commenting on the fact that the provincial Liberal were voted out because of their record and listed examples.

Trudeau may have won the last two elections, but he's far from popular. With 33.12% of the vote for the Liberal Party, led by incumbent Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the 2019 election ranked second (with the 2021 federal election ranking first) for the lowest vote share for a party that would go on to form a single-party minority government.

 

[GameBoy27]

I was surprised by how little GTA residents pay compared to myself.

It's not surprising when you factor in everything.

Property tax rates vary across the province and are based on the size of municipalities, the council's operating budgets, and the value of the local housing markets. Larger urban centres like Toronto for example, can offer a lower rate due to the greater number of taxpayers and higher housing prices. In other words, density makes a big difference. A smaller, more rural community will have higher tax rates due to a smaller population and fewer resources for the area.

 

[Frankfooter]

Did you even read my post to Frankie? I said his assertion that Conservatives are corrupt and Liberals aren't is simply laughable. I was commenting on the fact that the provincial Liberal were voted out because of their record and listed examples.

Trudeau may have won the last two elections, but he's far from popular. With 33.12% of the vote for the Liberal Party, led by incumbent Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the 2019 election ranked second (with the 2021 federal election ranking first) for the lowest vote share for a party that would go on to form a single-party minority government.

You need to clarify the difference between policies you disagree with and corruption where money or influence passes between people.
Then you need to prove there is as much corruption, not just make blanket statements based on your feelings.

Go ahead.

 

[GameBoy27]

Of course it won't solve 'everything'.
But it won't make things as bad as Ford has done with health care, education, greenbelt and transit.

Because everything was great, health care, education, the Greenbelt and transit after the previous 15 years of Provincial Liberals. Wow, you must have a bad memory.

Speaking of the Greenbelt, were you aware of what the Liberals did with parts of it years ago? I guess it only gets attention when Conservatives touch it. By the way, they're adding more than they're taking out.

"One of the other myths is that the land that is the Greenbelt now must always be in the Greenbelt, it cannot change. The truth is, the former Wynne Liberal government took land out of the Greenbelt at least 17 times and I don’t recall an uproar, a fuss or claims that paradise was being paved over for a parking lot.

In at least one instance, with Wynne’s decision to allow land to be taken out of the Greenbelt, much of it was turned into a parking lot. A section of land off near Bronte Creek off of Appleby Line was removed from the Greenbelt by the Wynne government – it’s now a giant Lowe’s hardware store.

In another case, a series of lots in Vaughan were taken out of the Greenbelt to allow the construction of at least six massive homes backing onto protected land adjacent to the Humber River. These McMansions come complete with swimming pools and in one case a tennis court – it’s not solving the housing crisis unless you are already loaded.

The Wynne Liberals allowed lands to be taken out of the Greenbelt in Hamilton, Oshawa, Clarington, East Gwillimbury, Markham and even wetland adjacent lots in Pickering. Some of that land became housing, some is currently being used for a golf course and some hasn’t been developed at all but was still taken out."

 

[squeezer]

The problem is, we don't know if Doug Ford is a conservative, or liberal??

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624107241438646273

Dougie has become a middle-of-the-ground rightie just like John was and this is the type of Conservative that can actually beat a Liberal candidate, not a Pee Pee who shakes hands with fringe yahoo twats and deals in misinformation, nonsense and bullshit.

 

[Frankfooter]

It's not surprising when you factor in everything.

Property tax rates vary across the province and are based on the size of municipalities, the council's operating budgets, and the value of the local housing markets. Larger urban centres like Toronto for example, can offer a lower rate due to the greater number of taxpayers and higher housing prices. In other words, density makes a big difference. A smaller, more rural community will have higher tax rates due to a smaller population and fewer resources for the area.

Its a combo of bigger distances for services/roads and property values

Because everything was great, health care, education, the Greenbelt and transit after the previous 15 years of Provincial Liberals. Wow, you must have a bad memory.

Speaking of the Greenbelt, were you aware of what the Liberals did with parts of it years ago? I guess it only gets attention when Conservatives touch it. By the way, they're adding more than they're taking out.

"One of the other myths is that the land that is the Greenbelt now must always be in the Greenbelt, it cannot change. The truth is, the former Wynne Liberal government took land out of the Greenbelt at least 17 times and I don’t recall an uproar, a fuss or claims that paradise was being paved over for a parking lot.

In at least one instance, with Wynne’s decision to allow land to be taken out of the Greenbelt, much of it was turned into a parking lot. A section of land off near Bronte Creek off of Appleby Line was removed from the Greenbelt by the Wynne government – it’s now a giant Lowe’s hardware store.

In another case, a series of lots in Vaughan were taken out of the Greenbelt to allow the construction of at least six massive homes backing onto protected land adjacent to the Humber River. These McMansions come complete with swimming pools and in one case a tennis court – it’s not solving the housing crisis unless you are already loaded.

The Wynne Liberals allowed lands to be taken out of the Greenbelt in Hamilton, Oshawa, Clarington, East Gwillimbury, Markham and even wetland adjacent lots in Pickering. Some of that land became housing, some is currently being used for a golf course and some hasn’t been developed at all but was still taken out."

340 acres, that's how much land was changed by Wynne in the Greenbelt.
Totally the same thing.

Ford got $460,000 in donations from the greenbelt developers in 2018's election.

 

[GameBoy27]

You need to clarify the difference between policies you disagree with and corruption where money or influence passes between people.
Then you need to prove there is as much corruption, not just make blanket statements based on your feelings.

Go ahead.

You can look them up yourself. I'll admit the Conservatives have been guilty of corruption. But when it comes to your views, you think there's no corruption on the Liberal side of the coin, which just isn't the case.

This is just one example, there's many more.

The Liberals cancelled two gas plants to save a few seats during an election year. This cost Ontario taxpayers a whopping $1.1 billion, and a senior Liberal operative was sentenced to four months in jail for deleting e-mails surrounding the decision. Kathleen Wynne was the co-chair of the 2011 Liberal election campaign when the decision was made, and she personally signed an important cabinet document during the gas plants scandal. One of Kathleen Wynne’s first decisions after the 2014 election was to cancel a committee that was searching for answers surrounding the cancellation.

 

[GameBoy27]

Its a combo of bigger distances for services/roads and property values

340 acres, that's how much land was changed by Wynne in the Greenbelt.
Totally the same thing.

Ford got $460,000 in donations from the greenbelt developers in 2018's election.

Has there been a decision in the investigation yet or are you just speculating that Ford's guilty of corruption? I'll wait until all the facts are in before I pass judgement.

 

[fearoffomo]

To make things clear, I do care about the city. Lived here my whole life. While it's not perfect (name one city of 3 million that is) it's far better than a lot of places on earth. What I don't care about is what consenting adults do behind closed doors. In the the case of Tory, he paid the price, he's resigned now let's move on. You seem to sweat the little things. What are you, a member of the morality squad?

Oh, and if you don't like Toronto, you know you're free to live somewhere else.

The Mayor of the largest city in all of the Canada, one of the largest in North America, doing something as stupid as fucking his employee is not a little thing.

Seeing as you have a problem with reading comprehension, I'll repeat, it's not simply the affair that's the issue, it's the fact that he with all his power and influence as the Mayor of Toronto, put himself in a compromised position by doing what he did.

 

[fearoffomo]

Please tell us how you would solve housing, transit, public services, homelessness, mental health, drugs, violent crime and infrastructure issues. News flash, it's not as easy as you think. Perhaps a Mayor who leans far to the left would solve everything. lol

I know what I wouldn't do, I wouldn't continually under fund services, infrastructure etc and let everything crumble around me.

I also wouldn't placate NIMBYs and abandon sound urban planning principles to build a modern city, much like the actual world class ones across the globe.

 

[ptp]

 

[Frankfooter]

You can look them up yourself. I'll admit the Conservatives have been guilty of corruption. But when it comes to your views, you think there's no corruption on the Liberal side of the coin, which just isn't the case.

This is just one example, there's many more.

The Liberals cancelled two gas plants to save a few seats during an election year. This cost Ontario taxpayers a whopping $1.1 billion, and a senior Liberal operative was sentenced to four months in jail for deleting e-mails surrounding the decision. Kathleen Wynne was the co-chair of the 2011 Liberal election campaign when the decision was made, and she personally signed an important cabinet document during the gas plants scandal. One of Kathleen Wynne’s first decisions after the 2014 election was to cancel a committee that was searching for answers surrounding the cancellation.

That's not 'corruption' that's stupid policy to gain votes.
Its no more corrupt than Ford's $1 beer policy.

An example of corruption is when you have rich developers who go to your daughter's wedding, get inside info, make $80 million in profit off of land deals and then donate big time back to the party based on the new rules you put in place.

 

[Frankfooter]

Has there been a decision in the investigation yet or are you just speculating that Ford's guilty of corruption? I'll wait until all the facts are in before I pass judgement.

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[Anbarandy]

The strong Mayor powers are granted to whomever is Mayor. If a "non-corrupt" left wing (as we know left wing politicians are never corrupt) Mayor is voted in next time, they will have the same powers. I can guarantee you, they won't be complaining about them like they were when they were granted to Tory. lol

Be afraid, very afraid.

 

[GameBoy27]

Toronto, Canada and Global Breaking News – CP24

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Thanks for the link. The takeaway is "The provincial police’s anti-rackets branch has been poking around since mid-December. It has yet to determine if there is any evidence to support an investigation."

Like I said, I'll wait until all the facts are in before I pass judgement.

 

[GameBoy27]

That's not 'corruption' that's stupid policy to gain votes.
Its no more corrupt than Ford's $1 beer policy.

Yet a senior Liberal operative was sentenced to four months in jail for deleting e-mails surrounding the decision. Yeah, no corruption there. You to be the biggest Liberal apologist I've ever seen.

An example of corruption is when you have rich developers who go to your daughter's wedding, get inside info, make $80 million in profit off of land deals and then donate big time back to the party based on the new rules you put in place.

Again, has this been proven or are you just speculating? Has anyone gone to jail over this?

 

[Frankfooter]

Thanks for the link. The takeaway is "The provincial police’s anti-rackets branch has been poking around since mid-December. It has yet to determine if there is any evidence to support an investigation."

Like I said, I'll wait until all the facts are in before I pass judgement.

Sure, in the meantime.

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[Frankfooter]

Yet a senior Liberal operative was sentenced to four months in jail for deleting e-mails surrounding the decision. Yeah, no corruption there. You to be the biggest Liberal apologist I've ever seen.

Again, has this been proven or are you just speculating? Has anyone gone to jail over this?

Yes, emails were deleted, but this wasn't about politicians making money it was a stupid decision to gain votes they were trying to cover up.

80 million?

Greenbelt lands for Southlake site bought for $80M in September

Records show land west of Newmarket was purchased by Green Lane Bathurst GP just weeks before the province proposed opening it for development

www.orilliamatters.com

 

[Anbarandy]

I know what I wouldn't do, I wouldn't continually under fund services, infrastructure etc and let everything crumble around me.

I also wouldn't placate NIMBYs and abandon sound urban planning principles to build a modern city, much like the actual world class ones across the globe.

Number 1, if you voted for Mel Lastman, Rob Ford and/or John Tory during the mayoral elections you have no agency, standing nor right to complain about the state of the city finances, services, maintenance, infrastructure, taxes etc.

Number 2, if you supported, championed, agreed and or smiled at/with the policies and practices of the above 3 mayors, see 1 above.

You got exactly what you wanted: stagnation, deteriorating maintenance/ finances/services etc and a whole whack of unneeded shiny objects that have drained scarce resources from more worthy projects.

3) Tory's biggest waste of scarce resources is the +$2billion allocated to moving an unnecessary elevated highway a few meters northward. Think of it, +$2billion capital project waste of scarce resources that could have been used to increase the state of good repair for city infrastructure and maintenance. This project can still be stopped and the resultant funds allocated for it to be reallocated to actual needed projects instead.

4) The next mayor should reinstate the vehicle levy/tax which would bring in tens of millions of dollars every year.

5) The next mayor should get council to pass a parking fee/tax. This would bring in $150-500million per year.

6) The Thug should come thru with the $50million per year he legislatively agreed to for upgraded TCHC property. He hasn't.

7) The Thug should keep his fuckin oinking snout out of city politics.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Number 1, if you voted for Mel Lastman, Rob Ford and/or John Tory during the mayoral elections you have no agency, standing nor right to complain about the state of the city finances, services, maintenance, infrastructure, taxes etc.

Number 2, if you supported, championed, agreed and or smiled the policies and practices of the above 3 mayors, see 1 above.

I noticed you left Miller off the list. What did he do to avoid your disdain?

3) Tory's biggest waste of scarce resources is the +$2billion allocated to moving an unnecessary elevated highway a few meters northward. Think of it +$2billion capital project waste that could have been used to increase the state of good repair for city infrastructure and maintenance. This project can still be stopped and the resultant funds allocated for it to be reallocated to actual needed projects instead.

I'm not sure which you are saying is unnecessary - moving the Gardiner, or having a Gardiner? If the latter, how do you suppose any of those hundred of thousands of commuters would get downtown? Do you really think the Gardiner as currently designed does an adequate job? Why is trying to improve the road system a waste? Or is it the specific solution you take issue with? Doesn't sound like it, since you want to reallocate the money to other unrelated projects.

4) The next mayor should reinstate the vehicle levy/tax which would bring in tens of millions of dollars every year.

War on the car? How does this help the city afford to repair its infrastructure? Kill the commute and you'll kill the commercial tax base of the city.

5) The next mayor should get council to pass a parking fee/tax. This would bring in $150-500million per year.

War on the car, part II. If you increase parking costs in the city, fewer consumers will do business here. Fewer businesses will locate here. It's bad enough already. Your proposal would significantly reduce city revenue, not increase it.

6) The Thug should come thru with the $50million per year he legislatively agreed to for upgraded TCHC property. He hasn't.

The biggest problem with subsidized housing, including housing for the homeless, is that it shouldn't be in Toronto at all, where the cost of providing it is the highest in the province. There are many communities in Ontario where employers go begging for workers and where subsidized housing could be built on the cheap. Affordable housing needs to be a provincial mandate, not a municipal responsibility. But that would mean that the "hardship industry" in Toronto would have to shrink substantially!

7) The Thug should keep his fuckin oinking snout out of city politics.

Cities only govern themselves so long as Provinces are satisfied they are doing their jobs.. There's a better argument that Toronto shouldn't even exist, given its broader integration with the entire golden horseshoe.