It's not BS, when you're seeing an independent who has booked an incall herself and does not have the protection a spa has.Stick with MPA's and avoid all this bs.
Thank you doll for your feedbackYes this is very true and it's a challenge for us as providers on one hand we are asked to respect privacy, which is the number one rule and I do believe that it is of out most importance to provide our customers with an assurance that their privacy is in fact protected, on the other hand we have a responsibility with ourselves, as independent providers to protect ourselves from harm. Every provider based on their own experience an clientele (through trial and error) has come up with a way of screening clients, I do raise questions when a client is not consistent with what name,email or handle to give but he is free to do that. My approach is because I do want to establish a rapport with my clientele and I do not ask for real names but i do ask for a way to verify his 'persona' in the hobby and it would be safe to assume that this 'hobbying persona' is separate from his day to day life.
I have noticed that whenever these practices are challenged, someone trots out the safety line. However, reviewing this thread the practice was described almost entirely as a means to avoid no shows, until it was challenged. Then the safety line.on the other hand we have a responsibility with ourselves, as independent providers to protect ourselves from harm.
Safety is about more than worrying about if a man will rob you or something of that sort.I have noticed that whenever these practices are challenged, someone trots out the safety line. However, reviewing this thread the practice was described almost entirely as a means to avoid no shows, until it was challenged. Then the safety line.
My guess is that the referral practice does a lot to reduce no show, but does very very little to improve safety.
An evil person intent on harm could easily book a regular session with one SP to get a reference and then use that reference to book any other that requires a reference. I don't see the safety win there, I see a false sense of security. You need to be doing other things for safety, really.
On the other hand the average harmless client is way more likely to cancel properly if he knows the SP can reach out with a "wtf" message perhaps even publicly if he discourteously fails to inform her in a timely fashion that he changed his mind. Probably weeds out a lot of prank calls too. People are generally way more courteous when there is a personal connection.
So let's be honest that the collection of personal data on clients is primarily a time management thing.
I have noticed that whenever these practices are challenged, someone trots out the safety line. However, reviewing this thread the practice was described almost entirely as a means to avoid no shows, until it was challenged. Then the safety line.
My guess is that the referral practice does a lot to reduce no show, but does very very little to improve safety.
An evil person intent on harm could easily book a regular session with one SP to get a reference and then use that reference to book any other that requires a reference. I don't see the safety win there, I see a false sense of security. You need to be doing other things for safety, really.
On the other hand the average harmless client is way more likely to cancel properly if he knows the SP can reach out with a "wtf" message perhaps even publicly if he discourteously fails to inform her in a timely fashion that he changed his mind. Probably weeds out a lot of prank calls too. People are generally way more courteous when there is a personal connection.
So let's be honest that the collection of personal data on clients is primarily a time management thing.
Thank you for this explanation. It is say's it all in a nutshell+1. Guys no show all the time. Especially when they are new to review boards or a lady is new to their review board there is a lack of mutual respect for providers. Perhaps if guys cut back on the last min cancels or no shows ladies wouldn't be so concerned about getting more information from clients to verifiy they are legitimate. Guys in Canada they are very lucky that sp's hardly screen compared to the high end girls in the states who need first and last names, call your employer to ensure you exist, have a job, aren't a cop, ask for 2 references from legitimate providers etc. I know some guys don't want to give out their Terb names, but the clients who's review board handles I do know we have a much better rapport and great sessions because there's more security and familiarity.
Chloë said it better in reference to your safety comment.People are generally way more courteous when there is a personal connection.
So let's be honest that the collection of personal data on clients is primarily a time management thing.
Foxxxy lady here is information I would provide and what I wouldn't.A few years ago I didn't ask for handles either or references , however then I started to notice a big increase in no shows , so I decided the best way to book was through pm's since I was getting pm's anyways . Now I notice I get all kinds of guys booking through pm and like and like Valeria said , the last minute cancel, or no shows happens. I see that some girls book asking for other types of information that some guys don;t want to say either. When asked for references some guys say they haven't got any. So it is damn hard to know how to book. It's like weeding through a garden lol. I have seen terbies that are legit,from this site so if a girl wants a reference from me I will provide it . I just make sure to tell her to get the op to pm her also to confirm. Guys using someone else handle has happened also so I ask for a pm to confirm it is him. Guys who have seen me can also use me as a reference also if they like .
I really would like some feedback from the guys who don't want to book via handle what is the best way to know you are legit. I know not all handle are either, Its just a little easier if you have something to go by
To the other ladies , I'm sorry this shit happens to you too
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Thank you for the feedback. I do accept pm's (hobby names) I know there are a lot of legit guys on here. References from indies is fine tooFoxxxy lady here is information I would provide and what I wouldn't.
Name (hobby name), phone number (hobby phone number), age, and references of other indies or agencies that I have used.
Here is what I will never provide:
Job description, home or business address, home or business phone number, board handle, marital status, name (real name), real phone number.
Again I can not reiterate how importance my privacy and discretion is due to my job.
Any SP asking for more than a name, phone number, references of indy SP's or agencies, and in some cases SP's who see clients of certain age, I refuse to see. Because frankly anything more is non of their business and they are simply asking for too much information that has no affect on whether the person is a regular no call no show type of person.
I have been chastised in the past by the brethren for booking thru PM or revealing handle identities (one argument was that it compromised on the objectivity of a review which is hog wash - I'm not a paid restaurant reviewer; I really think they were just envious, although that's another story).+1. Guys no show all the time. Especially when they are new to review boards or a lady is new to their review board there is a lack of mutual respect for providers. Perhaps if guys cut back on the last min cancels or no shows ladies wouldn't be so concerned about getting more information from clients to verifiy they are legitimate. Guys in Canada they are very lucky that sp's hardly screen compared to the high end girls in the states who need first and last names, call your employer to ensure you exist, have a job, aren't a cop, ask for 2 references from legitimate providers etc. I know some guys don't want to give out their Terb names, but the clients who's review board handles I do know we have a much better rapport and great sessions because there's more security and familiarity.
Gripdeal I agree with about withdrawing handle for your own reasons but not because of another guy on here who was bitter about your review. I have been booked through pm's lately and when I didn't even check my inbox guys would get pissed off. Now that is how I want to book and it seems to be an issue with some op's. I guess reference would have to be another option however most girls would need some advance notice as the girl who he s referring to could be busy.I have been chastised in the past by the brethren for booking thru PM or revealing handle identities (one argument was that it compromised on the objectivity of a review which is hog wash - I'm not a paid restaurant reviewer; I really think they were just envious, although that's another story).
Charlotte, thanks for confirming that networking on the board is an ice breaker and provides a certain level of comfort for first time meetings, etc. There's nothing wrong with it*, and it usually ameliorates the connection or the experience.
*There's nothing wrong with withholding a handle either, but prior communication via text, phone or voice, to add some familiarity, always helps.
Glad I can give you feedback.Thank you for the feedback. I do accept pm's (hobby names) I know there are a lot of legit guys on here. References from indies is fine too
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I work for an agency also if you would like to book that way. I work for GOE some guys book me through the agency, I have an agency rate alsoGlad I can give you feedback.
I would never book through PM's as that would reveal my handle.
Do you accept references from agencies?
Yes I definitely will as you are just my cup of tea :wink:I work for an agency also if you would like to book that way. send me a pm or u can call them directly. I also work for GOE some guys book me through the agency, I have an agency rate also
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I don't mind hobby phones doggy just don't call me from some other country from a spoffed computer number. This girl needs to take down the numbers, if her post is even real in the first place and from a real girl or just one of those fake handles trying to stir up the pot. Im sure the mod's will delete it. I have yet to see an sp on here out a guy right on the board with his number or handle for that matter it is usually done via pm.Talking about guys and the need for their privacy here is a great reason why all of the hobbyists need to use a hobby number.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-your-blacklists-ladies&p=5224458#post5224458
This SP just posted 3 different numbers of hobbyist in a post for everyone to see and one of the reasons is valid but one is definitely not valid as there is never any reason to get upset or assume things when people ask questions about taking videos, and the other reason is iffy.
It's happened more than this once that client phone numbers get posted in the Public Service section. This instance is certainly not the first I've seen. It might get deleted but it's been up for some time already.This girl needs to take down the numbers, if her post is even real in the first place and from a real girl or just one of those fake handles trying to stir up the pot. Im sure the mod's will delete it. I have yet to see an sp on here out a guy right on the board with his number or handle for that matter it is usually done via pm.
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